Do away with antiquated 2nd amendment ???

[fasteddie]

This was in today's D&C

2nd Amendment is an antiquated legal relic

What needs to be done about gun violence is unlikely to happen so long as the Second Amendment remains the law of the land. I believe it’s time to repeal this antiquated legal relic. In the meantime, howev­er, legislators should enact burdensome and heavy tax­ation on ammunition and auto­matic weapons as a means of control. Enough is enough.

LEE PRICE

PERINTON

[josephmrtn]

stupid article.... nuff said

[joe12]

the problem is that this is what we are dealing with - people that cannot think past the end of their noses and honestly believe that eliminating guns will make the world a wonderful happy place with no crime.

[steve863]

I am not commenting about this article, but the 2nd amendment is antiquated and has been for a very long time now. Whether you guys want to believe it, that is a different story. If the 2nd amendment was followed as written, we would have NO gun laws, everyone would own whatever they pleased and any gun law that was ever passed would have been ruled unconstitutional from the get go. Guess what fellas? Plenty of gun laws have been on the books for a LONG time now, and very few have been ruled unconstitutional. Even in the Heller case in D.C., an outright gun ban may be unconstitutional, but even the conservative judges never said that certain restrictions, licensing and other laws should also be dismantled. Gun laws are here to stay, and there will probably be more of them in the future. Future judges will be even less inclined to see the 2nd amendment, the way many of you here see it. So, all I can suggest is that you fellas get used to this type of thinking, for it ain't going back to how you would like to see it. Societies ideas changed on slavery, race and plenty of other things. Same will and has happened with gun ownership.

[Five Seasons]

It's no wonder the D&C has been suffering with sales and layoffs for a while now. It's not just the new modes of media it's that they take 1 side and refuse to cover the other side. I understand opinion columns are just that, but they have a choice and an ability to have columnists from both sides.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Thats just a readers comment in the opinion section, not an article.

[josephmrtn]

I am not commenting about this article, but the 2nd amendment is antiquated and has been for a very long time now. Whether you guys want to believe it, that is a different story. If the 2nd amendment was followed as written, we would have NO gun laws, everyone would own whatever they pleased and any gun law that was ever passed would have been ruled unconstitutional from the get go. Guess what fellas? Plenty of gun laws have been on the books for a LONG time now, and very few have been ruled unconstitutional. Even in the Heller case in D.C., an outright gun ban may be unconstitutional, but even the conservative judges never said that certain restrictions, licensing and other laws should also be dismantled. Gun laws are here to stay, and there will probably be more of them in the future. Future judges will be even less inclined to see the 2nd amendment, the way many of you here see it. So, all I can suggest is that you fellas get used to this type of thinking, for it ain't going back to how you would like to see it. Societies ideas changed on slavery, race and plenty of other things. Same will and has happened with gun ownership.

I would respectfuly disagree as I feel the second amendment applies just as much today as it day the day it was penned (much like laws that anti gunners always quote about free speech ect) however I dont want to start an argument here and these are just my personal belief's... one thing I REALLY have a problem with tho is when fellow hunters/shooters start arguing about gun control because i think thats what the anti gun people are TRYING to get us to do!!! Lets just all try to be friends even if we disagree.... right guys?

[steve863]

I would respectfuly disagree as I feel the second amendment applies just as much today as it day the day it was penned (much like laws that anti gunners always quote about free speech ect) however I dont want to start an argument here and these are just my personal belief's... one thing I REALLY have a problem with tho is when fellow hunters/shooters start arguing about gun control because i think thats what the anti gun people are TRYING to get us to do!!! Lets just all try to be friends even if we disagree.... right guys?

You are of course entitled to your opinion, but I can assure you that the vast majority of people in this country (including gun owners) would tell you that the 2nd amendment should NOT mean that everyone should own anything they want, with NO questions asked. So this in itself should be proof enough that we do NOT view the 2nd amendment today as we might have 230+ years ago. Those who think otherwise are honestly kidding themselves.

[josephmrtn]

You are of course entitled to your opinion, but I can assure you that the vast majority of people in this country (including gun owners) would tell you that the 2nd amendment should NOT mean that everyone should own anything they want, with NO questions asked. So this in itself should be proof enough that we do NOT view the 2nd amendment today as we might have 230+ years ago. Those who think otherwise are honestly kidding themselves.

yes i would agree that there should be at least a backround check at the counter BUT i feel that if i pass the backround check there in NO reason i cant take home an AR-15 or handgun i dont like the "two week waiting period" or the "ncis check for buying ammo" ideas although I dont have a prob w me not having nukes, LOL it WOULD be a tiny bit silly for me to build a nuke silo in my backyard.... LOL however i think that most people wouldnt have that kind of cash anyhow LOL i mean to build a nuke you are talkin millions of dollars....

one of the main points of the second amendment was to ensure that every man had able means to defend himself if he so wished, i dont need a nuke to do that!!!! an AR-15? Semi auto handgun? a 10, 20, or 30 round mag? YES i should be allowed to own those.... to each his own

[Five Seasons]

Thats just a readers comment in the opinion section, not an article.

eh... they still published it.

[growalot]

Ya know whats sad....Look at the cluster ---- they made out of the "war" on drugs...and here they are jumping into a "War on gun violence" the same way with both feet.....that by the way are still caked with the same sheet from the "drug war"

[Doc]

eh... they still published it.

Nothing is stopping anyone from writing a rebuttal. But I'll guarantee that there are already plenty rebuttals on their way already.

[WNYBuckHunter]

eh... they still published it.

They publish almost anything in that section. Its basically just Joe Schmoe's letter to the editor, etc. There is also this one on there today...

Letter: Imperial president must not continue unchecked

12:21 AM, Jan 13, 2013 |

Let me get this straight. The president won his point on raising taxes with no spending cuts. He met his goal of taxing millionaires and billionaires even though this will not fix the budget deficit problem.

The president then issued an ultimatum to Congress that he will no longer debate spending cuts as it relates to raising the debt ceiling and to continue spending at record levels.

The imperial attitude that this president has taken when it comes to the financial workings of the government is laughable. How about producing a budget plan that can be debated by Congress?

Instead, he will continue his renegade tactics of bullying anyone who gets in his way. Some leadership! He is as left-wing as they come and will pursue a fiscal policy that will push the deficit to $20 trillion if he is not challenged.

I hope the country has the stomach to endure and the sensible in Congress will do their best to stop the madness.

ARTHUR WOHLABAUGH

ONTARIO, WAYNE COUNTY

[fasteddie]

What cracked me up about the guys letter was this , "heavy tax­ation on ammunition and auto­matic weapons as a means of control." ........ Automatic weapons are illegal . How are they going to be taxed ? Ammo is already taxed under Pittman Robertson Act . If people cannot afford to buy ammo , who is going to pay for the biking / hiking trails , etc ..

[greybeard]

Although I do enjoy 2nd amendment discussions and argue from either side depending on who I want to p$#@ off, I thought I'd only give MY point of view on the issue of taxes.

When I started smoking non filters were 20 cents a pack and you could smoke anywhere including supermarkets (we even stamped the butts out on the floor and it was o.k.) NO ONE would ever think that anyone would attack smoking.. look at old movies..( side note :we also bought army surplus guns from barrels in some Dept. stores and I never thought that would change.)

Well over the years the taxes were added and now cigarettes are up to $10 a pack in some places.

I smoked about 3 packs a day and although I knew I had to quit because I had enough tar in my lungs to tar a road, it was the price that got me, so I quit..

The States lost a fortune in taxes as everyone quit and got a bunch of grumpy people.

I'd love to figure how much they lost, but no one addresses it....The more who quit, the more they lost...

So the Federal Gov't can raise taxes and the States can also raise them on ammo, and many citizens will agree to it because it doesn't effect them. . ammo prices can become prohibitive and I'm sorry to say no one will pay attention to biking and hiking trails etc...

Tax it an additional $3 a round and a 20 rounds and who can shoot.. ???

In reality, though I don't think it'll happen, it COULD.... Just a thought !!

[wooffer]

I am not commenting about this article, but the 2nd amendment is antiquated and has been for a very long time now. Whether you guys want to believe it, that is a different story. If the 2nd amendment was followed as written, we would have NO gun laws, everyone would own whatever they pleased and any gun law that was ever passed would have been ruled unconstitutional from the get go. Guess what fellas? Plenty of gun laws have been on the books for a LONG time now, and very few have been ruled unconstitutional. Even in the Heller case in D.C., an outright gun ban may be unconstitutional, but even the conservative judges never said that certain restrictions, licensing and other laws should also be dismantled. Gun laws are here to stay, and there will probably be more of them in the future. Future judges will be even less inclined to see the 2nd amendment, the way many of you here see it. So, all I can suggest is that you fellas get used to this type of thinking, for it ain't going back to how you would like to see it. Societies ideas changed on slavery, race and plenty of other things. Same will and has happened with gun ownership.

Very funny Mayor Bloomberg, but this site is for gunowners, not ignorant fools like you. If you don't respect my 2nd amendment right, I won't respect your 1st amendment right. So shut the EFF up and crawl back under your rock. Let's not forget that the gunowners created this nation, and all the freedoms you enjoy.

[tony m]

You are of course entitled to your opinion, but I can assure you that the vast majority of people in this country (including gun owners) would tell you that the 2nd amendment should NOT mean that everyone should own anything they want, with NO questions asked. So this in itself should be proof enough that we do NOT view the 2nd amendment today as we might have 230+ years ago. Those who think otherwise are honestly kidding themselves.

Back then, many individuals had more advanced firearms than those that were infringing on their rights. Some people had that technical advantage.

Do you believe the local, county, and state police should have automatic rifles, which individuals are not allowed to own?

[wooffer]

You are of course entitled to your opinion, but I can assure you that the vast majority of people in this country (including gun owners) would tell you that the 2nd amendment should NOT mean that everyone should own anything they want, with NO questions asked.

Wow, I didn't know you polled the whole nation. Guess an actual poll done live by the public is rigged by the liberal newspaper that is hosting it.

http://www.newsday.com/take-newsday-s-gun-ownership-survey-1.4441485

[greybeard]

Woofer.. Newsday was considered very liberal until this year when they backed Gov. Romney for President

[wooffer]

They may have backed Romney but that didn't change their editorial content or liberal slant. Those poll results are shocking, I knew that the public supports gun ownership but not too that level.

[Doewhacker]

Wow, I didn't know you polled the whole nation. Guess an actual poll done live by the public is rigged by the liberal newspaper that is hosting it.

http://www.newsday.com/take-newsday-s-gun-ownership-survey-1.4441485

Yes poll's that can be taken over and over are always accurate.

[Nomad]

The good news is I'm out. my oldest has her BA and is working on her RN, then moving to Tenn. The youngest is in a 5 year masters in accounting, she's been dating a boy from texas for 3 years, we told her to move there when they graduate. Now zero reason for us to stay in NYS . I'm so glad my kids will leave here.

Then i'm retiring from the FD and were moving to Texas as well, the wife hopes they succeed from the U.S....... The wife and I just agreed on the move.

So in 4 years when I retire, Gov Andy send my nice NYS pension check to me in the free part of America !!

that poll mentions the FF shootings in webster where I live and i know one of the guys shot and my daughter one of the ones killed.

My Fire fighter union the IAFF polled there membership awile back , 85 % of us are gun owners ! Many I work with own ak 47's and AR 15's and all are pissed on this gun control BS. But that will never be in their newspaper...

oh snap, they don't own them anymore they all sold them at garage sales last summer lol...

Edited January 15, 2013 by Larry302

[greybeard]

Woofer..I know some liberals who disagree with your view, but that's life isn't it..We all have a different take on things..

[ELMER J. FUDD]

I'd say its time we dusted of the 2nd amendment and used it.

[steve863]

Very funny Mayor Bloomberg, but this site is for gunowners, not ignorant fools like you. If you don't respect my 2nd amendment right, I won't respect your 1st amendment right. So shut the EFF up and crawl back under your rock. Let's not forget that the gunowners created this nation, and all the freedoms you enjoy.

Actually YOU are the ignorant one for not realizing how society thinks these days. You thought more gun laws were not possible, right?? Well it looks like YOU were the stupid one for thinking that everyone out there thinks like you. I can assure you that they don't, and YOUR way of thinking will be even less common as we move into the future. So YOU can kiss yourself goodbye! LOL