are 22lr ar15s exempt

[tommygunz]

Will 22lr ar15 clones like the M P 15 be allowed now?

[josephmrtn]

dont ask....

[Mr VJP]

No. But if they were, would you be OK with this law and the affect it has on other gun owners?

Edited January 16, 2013 by Mr VJP

[tommygunz]

No. But if they were, would you be OK with this law and the affect it has on other gun owners?

I heard that 22lr was exempt from the ban is that true? I dont support the ban obviously. I know mp 15 were sold in ny state a few months ago I saw them when I was gun shopping, can I still buy one?

[Rev Ev]

As I read the law, no because it meets the criteria of one to be an assault weapon under the new regs: it has a pistol grip that extends below the action. If you bought one pre ban you may keep it if you register it and submit to another background check.

STILL, I would definitely consult someone with some legal qualifications on this new bill if you think you have something that might be covered now. Or move out of state. (lol, jk)

[Five Seasons]

not if it exibits the characteristics. there are 0 mention of calibers in the bill

The bill bans guns that meet all three of the following criteria:

o are semi-automatic,

o have a detachable magazine (in the case of pistols and rifles), and

o have one feature (two under current law) commonly associated with military

weapons.

those features include forearm rail grips, pistol grips, etc. (yes all they did was describe a scary looking gun and ban it).

[Culvercreek hunt club]

the one thisng I really didn't like (amog about 3 dozen) is that they cut and pasted the features from the rifle section to the shotgun section. I really wan't to put a nice laminate thumbhole on my 11-87. That isn't happening now.

22. "Assault weapon" means

(A) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE THAT HAS AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE

MAGAZINE AND HAS AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS:

(I) A FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK;

(II) A PISTOL GRIP THAT PROTRUDES CONSPICUOUSLY BENEATH THE ACTION OF

THE WEAPON;

(III) A THUMBHOLE STOCK;

(IV) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE

NON-TRIGGER HAND;

(V) A BAYONET MOUNT;

(VI) A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, MUZZLE COMPENSATOR, OR THREADED

BARREL DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, OR

MUZZLE COMPENSATOR;

(VII) A GRENADE LAUNCHER; OR

( A SEMIAUTOMATIC SHOTGUN THAT HAS AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING

CHARACTERISTICS:

(I) A FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK;

(II) A THUMBHOLE STOCK;

(III) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE

NON-TRIGGER HAND;

(IV) A FIXED MAGAZINE CAPACITY IN EXCESS OF SEVEN ROUNDS;

(V) AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE; OR

© A SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL THAT HAS AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE

MAGAZINE AND HAS AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS:

(I) A FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK;

(II) A THUMBHOLE STOCK;

(III) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE

NON-TRIGGER HAND;

(IV) CAPACITY TO ACCEPT AN AMMUNITION MAGAZINE THAT ATTACHES TO THE

PISTOL OUTSIDE OF THE PISTOL GRIP;

(V) A THREADED BARREL CAPABLE OF ACCEPTING A BARREL EXTENDER, FLASH

SUPPRESSOR, FORWARD HANDGRIP, OR SILENCER;

(VI) A SHROUD THAT IS ATTACHED TO, OR PARTIALLY OR COMPLETELY ENCIR

CLES, THE BARREL AND THAT PERMITS THE SHOOTER TO HOLD THE FIREARM WITH

THE NON-TRIGGER HAND WITHOUT BEING BURNED;

(VII) A MANUFACTURED WEIGHT OF FIFTY OUNCES OR MORE WHEN THE PISTOL IS

UNLOADED; OR

(VIII) A SEMIAUTOMATIC VERSION OF AN AUTOMATIC RIFLE, SHOTGUN OR

FIREARM;

(D) A REVOLVING CYLINDER SHOTGUN;

(E) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE, A SEMIAUTOMATIC SHOTGUN OR A SEMIAUTOMATIC

PISTOL OR WEAPON DEFINED IN SUBPARAGRAPH (V) OF PARAGRAPH (E) OF SUBDI

VISION TWENTY-TWO OF SECTION 265.00 OF THIS CHAPTER AS ADDED BY CHAPTER

ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY-NINE OF THE LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND AND OTHERWISE

LAWFULLY POSSESSED PURSUANT TO SUCH CHAPTER OF THE LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND

PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER FOURTEENTH, NINETEEN HUNDRED NINETY-FOUR;

(F) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE, A SEMIAUTOMATIC SHOTGUN OR A SEMIAUTOMATIC

PISTOL OR WEAPON DEFINED IN PARAGRAPH (A), ( OR © OF THIS SUBDIVI

SION, POSSESSED PRIOR TO THE DATE OF ENACTMENT OF THE CHAPTER OF THE

LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND THIRTEEN WHICH ADDED THIS PARAGRAPH;

(G) PROVIDED, HOWEVER, THAT SUCH TERM DOES NOT INCLUDE:

(I) ANY RIFLE, SHOTGUN OR PISTOL THAT (A) IS MANUALLY OPERATED BY

BOLT, PUMP, LEVER OR SLIDE ACTION; ( HAS BEEN RENDERED PERMANENTLY

INOPERABLE; OR © IS AN ANTIQUE FIREARM AS DEFINED IN 18 U.S.C.

921(A)(16);

(II) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE THAT CANNOT ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE

THAT HOLDS MORE THAN FIVE ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION;

(III) A SEMIAUTOMATIC SHOTGUN THAT CANNOT HOLD MORE THAN FIVE ROUNDS

OF AMMUNITION IN A FIXED OR DETACHABLE MAGAZINE; OR

(IV) A RIFLE, SHOTGUN OR PISTOL, OR A REPLICA OR A DUPLICATE THEREOF,

SPECIFIED IN APPENDIX A TO 18 U.S.C. 922 AS SUCH WEAPON WAS MANUFACTURED

ON OCTOBER FIRST, NINETEEN HUNDRED NINETY-THREE. THE MERE FACT THAT A

WEAPON IS NOT LISTED IN APPENDIX A SHALL NOT BE CONSTRUED TO MEAN THAT

SUCH WEAPON IS AN ASSAULT WEAPON;

(V) ANY WEAPON VALIDLY REGISTERED PURSUANT TO SUBDIVISION SIXTEEN-A OF

SECTION 400.00 OF THIS CHAPTER. SUCH WEAPONS SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE

PROVISIONS OF PARAGRAPH (H) OF THIS SUBDIVISION;

(VI) ANY FIREARM, RIFLE, OR SHOTGUN THAT WAS MANUFACTURED AT LEAST

FIFTY YEARS PRIOR TO THE CURRENT DATE, BUT NOT INCLUDING REPLICAS THERE

[Five Seasons]

hmmm i was thinking the shotgun pistol grips and thumbholes were exempt because generally they do not accept a magazine... didn't see that section. don't have one currently, but that's dumb. I know a bunch of guys that turkey or deer hunt with very expensive guns with thumbholes or pistol grips. wtf does a thumbhole even do to promote mass shootings?

Edited January 16, 2013 by Belo

[WingNut]

Is it possible to register a weapon from an out of state purchase?

[WingNut]

If memory serves, I think the detachable magazine was excluded from the shotgun criteria.

[WingNut]

hmmm i was thinking the shotgun pistol grips and thumbholes were exempt because generally they do not accept a magazine... didn't see that section. don't have one currently, but that's dumb. I know a bunch of guys that turkey or deer hunt with very expensive guns with thumbholes or pistol grips. wtf does a thumbhole even do to promote mass shootings?

Belo.... I just looked it up again, shotguns are classified as a fixed magazine in excess of 7 rounds or able to receive a detachable magazine . I may have confused that in a separate post.

[wheelieman]

ok so if i'm reading this right my plinkster 22 is still legal to own, but my brothers gun that looks like an AR even though its a plinkster is illegal. The plinkster is a semi auto 22 with a detachable magazine but it does not possess any of the other characteristics of an assault rifle,

[ants]

Any VARIENT of an AR style rifle made by ANY manufacturer in ANY calibre. GONE!!! A lot of hidden stuff in here people.

[Lawdwaz]

Gone where? You can still own them. But after a certain date dealers won't be able to sell them, no?

[ants]

"Gone" was the wrong word. They have to be registered as an "assault" weapon and will no longer be available.

[Doc]

"Gone" was the wrong word. They have to be registered as an "assault" weapon and will no longer be available.

And as a registered weapon, they will cost the owner a periodic additional fee to own. Also, if I read this all correctly, their value has been reduced to zero because they are not legal to re-sell (except maybe on the black market).

[genesee_mohican]

This link may help:

http://www.troopers.ny.gov/Firearms/NYS_SAFE_Act/

[WNYBuckHunter]

hmmm i was thinking the shotgun pistol grips and thumbholes were exempt because generally they do not accept a magazine... didn't see that section. don't have one currently, but that's dumb. I know a bunch of guys that turkey or deer hunt with very expensive guns with thumbholes or pistol grips. wtf does a thumbhole even do to promote mass shootings?

The better question is what covered in these stupid draconian laws promotes mass shootings?

[WNYBuckHunter]

This link may help:

http://www.troopers.ny.gov/Firearms/NYS_SAFE_Act/

What I dont see are any pump shotguns in there. So as far as I can see you may be able to build out a pump shotgun however you want. Anyone read it differently?

[Five Seasons]

ok so if i'm reading this right my plinkster 22 is still legal to own, but my brothers gun that looks like an AR even though its a plinkster is illegal. The plinkster is a semi auto 22 with a detachable magazine but it does not possess any of the other characteristics of an assault rifle,

it's not illegal to own, it just must be registered and cannot be sold or transferred within the state. future new sales are what is illegal.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

What I dont see are any pump shotguns in there. So as far as I can see you may be able to build out a pump shotgun however you want. Anyone read it differently?

Pumps and Lever guns are not included in the legislation and can be built as you wish. Buddy of mine has a beautiful semi auto turkey gun. all camo with the pistol grip and another has one with a thumbhole. They are now assault weapons and fall under the law. I guess I won't be putting a laminate thumbhole on my 1187 deer gun.

[josephmrtn]

i personally can see a lot of people not obeying some of these stupid laws

[Culvercreek hunt club]

As tempting as it may be to disobey them, they do have some pretty stiff penalties and ones that could effect you even owning a firearm in the future. Consider carefully,

[Five Seasons]

Pumps and Lever guns are not included in the legislation and can be built as you wish. Buddy of mine has a beautiful semi auto turkey gun. all camo with the pistol grip and another has one with a thumbhole. They are now assault weapons and fall under the law. I guess I won't be putting a laminate thumbhole on my 1187 deer gun.

yeah this was point too. I think this was only the result of the scary black tactical shotgun... probably the best home defense weapon there is. To be honest, the thumbhole/pistol grip turkey gun is the first real thing to impact hunters. Although your buddies guns aren't illegal they do have to be registered. so dumb...

[Geno C]

i am so confused on the AR part, are they totally illegal now? or is it just SOME feature that would make them iilegal? if they are illegal, what do people do if they have one? they have to get rid of them?