Trespasser

[G-Man]

1st is the property actually legally posted, i mean not just at road but entire property! names / address with street number not for example, joe blow, new hudson... i wish we had laws like ohio all, land is posted and you need written permission. I know a lot of people that complain about tresspassers but they post the roads and a guy wanders in 1 mile back in the woods and there isn't a sign to be seen anywhere. In nys if you don't see a sign its assumed its ok to hunt there(usually its not ). my personal belief is if you yourself don't own it someone else does find out who before the hunt. its best to ask first, the person may be lost, looking for a dog, tracking a wounded deer, ext.... i'm sure you would want the same courtsey given to you if you have to look for something.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

In nys if you don't see a sign its assumed its ok to hunt there(usually its not ).

Actually In Ny trespassing is trespassing but if not legally posted you can not have the violator arrested then, until you give them formal written notification that they did trespass. Then you can get them the next time.

Much easier to just post it legally. I would bet that SplitG2 is to the letter of the law on his. Name, address, two signs facing both directions at outside corners, one at any change in direction and one every 660' (minimum)

I would strongly recommend a lot closer than 660', especially if cover is thick. I post to be able to see two sigs from any spot on our property.

Edited February 19, 2013 by Culvercreek hunt club

[growalot]

I even put my cell phone # on them.....then they have absolutely no excuses

[Pygmy]

Only THREE pages so far..?..

When we get to SIX pages, it will be time to get Doewhacker and Steve 863 involved ...<<grin>>....

[Doc]

Maybe you missed the dog leash around his neck and the radio?

No, in your eyes it's a BBDR (Big Buck Drag Rope) and a Sony Walkman.

Yeah, actually I assumed that that was 1/2 of a walkie-talkie set. Maybe there was more than one of these characters trespassing. As far as the strap over his shoulder, yes, that may be a leash, or something else. I have no idea.

[growalot]

Pygmy ...put that stick away

[Doc]

Actually In Ny trespassing is trespassing but if not legally posted you can not have the violator arrested then, until you give them formal written notification that they did trespass. Then you can get them the next time.

Much easier to just post it legally. I would bet that SplitG2 is to the letter of the law on his. Name, address, two signs facing both directions at outside corners, one at any change in direction and one every 660' (minimum)

I would strongly recommend a lot closer than 660', especially if cover is thick. I post to be able to see two sigs from any spot on our property.

Actually on my property, I always make sure that at least 3 signs are visible at any time (if you see one you can also see at least two more). That puts them a whole lot closer than 660'. There is no one who can use the excuse that they didn't see a sign. Each sign is a bright yellow colored aluminum with my full name and address on them. Most of the time the trespasser knows full well that he is going onto posted land.

Something I encounter every year is hunter tracks in the snow where guys walk along my posted line. There's no doubt in my mind that they are intending to hunt whatever portion of my land that they can see into from the unposted side of the line, and if they get something, will hot-foot it across the line and quick drag it back, gambling on the fact that I likely will not show up during those specific few minutes. Ha-ha ... pretty sneaky, but they know exactly what they're doing. It never works, but they try it anyway. I swear these guys think that deer can read posted signs. Actually what these guys are doing is walking way away from some of the best deer hunting areas to stare a couple hundred yards into my property.....lol.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Yeah, actually I assumed that that was 1/2 of a walkie-talkie set. Maybe there was more than one of these characters trespassing. As far as the strap over his shoulder, yes, that may be a leash, or something else. I have no idea.

It is a leash...if he is using it for that I have no idea. The radio is a Marine Midland Radio---Marine---and has access to emergency channels and weather updates. (I have a friend that uses that same model radio)

[Culvercreek hunt club]

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Something I encounter every year is hunter tracks in the snow where guys walk along my posted line. There's no doubt in my mind that they are intending to hunt whatever portion of my land that they can see into from the unposted side of the line, and if they get something, will hot-foot it across the line and quick drag it back, gambling on the fact that I likely will not show up during those specific few minutes. Ha-ha ... pretty sneaky, but they know exactly what they're doing. It never works, but they try it anyway. I swear these guys think that deer can read posted signs. Actually what these guys are doing is walking way away from some of the best deer hunting areas to stare a couple hundred yards into my property.....lol.

we get walkers along out posted lines too. I almost feel better having them there, rather than 50 yards off and jumping one on the line and firing into our property....lol. Tough call. Knock on wood we have only had a few cases and I only had to get upset with one pair of guys. It was pre hunting season and they were on wheelers. Couple of Mid-20's that were out to casue trouble.....and they found it.

[Five Seasons]

Not the crime of the century, but I have had to deal with trespassers in the past and it pisses me off too.

agreed. it's certainly not a huge deal, but you most likely pay a mortgage and certainty tax on the land. Looks like a .22 and most likely after yotes or squirrels, but he's in some serious camo and if shows up again during deer season than you have every right to be pissed. I doubt those poking fun now would be as cool headed if the guy poached a nice buck from them.

I'd print his picture on a piece of paper. With some wording that says (I'm watching you) or something. laminate it and post it in the general area. haha.

Be nice ...no one knows for sure he's yote hunting finding lost dogs what ever...letting the DEC know who's been out and about is just a smart thing to do....

creating a paper trail and history is very smart. It can be used later if you catch him. That's why in other situations filing police reports are good even when you think they'll be useless.

Edited February 19, 2013 by Belo

[Five Seasons]

Personally I don't mind if someone is honestly trying to catch their dogs because you're right, you can't control them once they're loose. Problem is I know guys who have been denied permission to hunt on certain property who will turn the dogs loose at the edge of it so they run in there to bug the quarry out and then play the "can't control where the dogs go" card. Then they brag about how clever they are for doing it.

All it takes is these clowns to come through a couple times and it blows it for everyone else.

that's still illegal. you're not allowed to disturb a hunter and ignorance with controlling a dog is no excuse.

[SplitG2]

I only posted his picture because he isn't a neighbor and i don't know who he is. My place is legally posted. I wasn't looking for 3 plus pages of comments but whatever. I have posted what i wanted to post and will not comment going foward. Have fun with the post.

[Five Seasons]

as far as the guys face... he clearly has the wind and snow in his face.

splitg, i dont think you have any need to defend yourself against a trespasser. How people on this board think it's ok, for whatever the reason is mind boggling. it's illegal whether you like it or not, and regardless of the reason why.

Edited February 19, 2013 by Belo

[Culvercreek hunt club]

ignorance with controlling a dog is no excuse.

You obviously havn't hunted behind hounds running game. Controlling? How do you propose that? Shock collars aren't even effective at the ranges you are away from the dogs?

[phade]

Running dogs is indeed not easy. I've seen some awesome and some not so awesome aspects of running dogs for deer. We ran on 4,200 acres of continuous parcel. And, we had plenty of situations where the dogs (stupid walkers...they'll run a straight line for miles before realizing anything) went well beyond our land, on hunts that were some of the most highly organized I have ever been a part of. You could legally retrieve dogs on others property there, so imagine how that can play out. But, we had good relations with all of the surrounding parcel owners and then beyond that even.

I just don't see how one can ethically run dogs up here when the dogs are likely to cross borders based on the small parcel sizes unless you have absolute permission. If I want coyote control, I'm bringing in a trapper to lay some steel.

Split - Honest question - If this guy is indeed running coyotes with dogs, if he came to you, noted how he hunts on a neighbor's land and kindly asked for permission to run dogs, would you have let him?

Edited February 19, 2013 by phade

[fasteddie]

Trespassing is illegal ! What's to understand about that .... Many are assuming the guy is after his dogs . Who knows . I was brought up to respect the property of others and not to go on it without permission . But , I suppose that's "old school" .

[Five Seasons]

You obviously havn't hunted behind hounds running game. Controlling? How do you propose that? Shock collars aren't even effective at the ranges you are away from the dogs?

if you cant do it legally, then you shouldn't do it. Sorry officer, I know I'm going 100mph, but I really had to pee. The law's the law. I'm not trying to be a dick, but if what you're doing is encroaching on someone else land and they aren't ok with it, then you shouldn't be doing it.

[Pygmy]

if you cant do it legally, then you shouldn't do it. Sorry officer, I know I'm going 100mph, but I really had to pee. The law's the law. I'm not trying to be a dick, but if what you're doing is encroaching on someone else land and they aren't ok with it, then you shouldn't be doing it.

....<<< YAWN >>>....

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Belo, take a deep breath.

I have't seen one person here say trespassing was ok, even under the guise of finding / following a dog. Trespassers suck and should know better. One reason why we gave up running whites was becasue the property se hunted had too many around that didn't want to allow hunters on anymore. With the whites you could have just wiated until the dog brought the rabbit back around but we didn't want our dogs even going on others property. (even though there isn'at a law agianst them being there) It just didn't seem right.

[growalot]

Here's the solution to the whole dog running issue.....Have part of being allowed to run dogs be set up with the DEC the same as Deer Search...

If you want to run dogs on yotes then you need to have permission from the surrounding land owners......if you are doing it on someone elses land they need to be responsible for getting permission........before you set out on a hunt you need to call the DEC and tell them where you are hunting....... whom your hunting for and give your license # to the proper DEC ppl......

That is exactly what Deer search had to do...then they had to do a follow up report...This way any subsequent reports by ppl reporting trespassing to the DEC they have information at hand as to whats happening in that area

Now If Deer search hasn't a problem with those regulations why would yote hunters?

Edited February 19, 2013 by growalot

[Culvercreek hunt club]

if you are doing it on someone elses land they need to be responsible for getting permission........before you set out on a hunt you need to call the DEC and tell them where you are hunting....... whom your hunting for and give your license # to the proper DEC ppl......

That is exactly what Deer search had to do...then they had to do a follow up report...This way any subsequent reports by ppl reporting trespassing to the DEC they have information at hand as to whats happening in that area

Now If Deer search hasn't a problem with those regulations why would yote hunters?

If you have the part in bold, why would you need the other parts?

[Five Seasons]

....<<< YAWN >>>....

Excellent contribution. You have changed my outlook on life.

[growalot]

Not sure what you mean??...This is why I have to give freaking examples....If you a dog runner are hunting your own land then you need to get permission from your surrounding land owners

If you the dog runner are...... running yotes on a friends..clients.... Joe Shmows land ...then Joe Shmow needs to get permission from surrounding lands...

If you are speaking to.... having to call the DEC?...Then ask them ...that's how they have set it up...

If they have such a system set up already for Deer Search...I would not think it difficult to have the same set up for yote hunters

I had to get permission from surrounding land owners to have deer search go on their places with the dogs..They(deersearch) had to inform the DEC they were running the dogs in my area and give my license # and their permit #...

[phade]

DON"T POKE THE BEAR!

[Doc]

I only posted his picture because he isn't a neighbor and i don't know who he is. My place is legally posted. I wasn't looking for 3 plus pages of comments but whatever. I have posted what i wanted to post and will not comment going foward. Have fun with the post.

Well, other than the "gun-grab" posts, we are in a bit of a slump until some hunting seasons begin. So, a thread that makes it beyond 3 pages is always welcome. Trespassing can be a frustrating experience, and I always like to air it out every so often just to sample attitudes about it. So, thanks for starting the thread.