Rifle hunting in Wayne Co.

[nyslowhand]

Article in the newspaper (Wayne Times) said the Wayne County legislature approved a resolution on 4/16/13 to allow rifle hunting in the county. Has been passed on to NYS legislature for approval. Shouldn't get all the controversy Ontario County has gotten...?

 

Would you..? I'm pretty well set with my in-line ML.

[Doc]

One would hope that Wayne County can learn from the Ontario County fiasco. Our problem wasn't so much about "controversy" as it was about incompetency and blundering. If the process is carried out in a careful and deliberate fashion with everything properly worded, everything should go along smoothly.

[Lawdwaz]

Would you..? I'm pretty well set with my in-line ML.

 

I would.  I like all types of guns but REALLY enjoy rifles.  No flies on the newer ML's for accuracy but they just can't match a CF rifle for threading the needle. 

 

If you get rifles use in Wayne County, CHEERS FOR YOU!!!!

[phade]

I'll be getting a .243 no doubt...lol.

[Lawdwaz]

I'll be getting a .243 no doubt...lol.

 

Ha!

 

Now you're gonna ruffle some feathers!

 

I love the .243 and all the 308 Winchester off spring.  Can't go wrong IMO.

[Cabin Fever]

I would LOVE it! I have an assortment of rifles, from growing up deer hunting in PA, that just sit around and collect dust now, as I haven't hunted PA in 10+ years. No one will be forced to hunt with a rifle, so hunt with whatever weapon you choose!

[phade]

I have a 7mm Rem Mag I haven't shot in 10 years now. No point in shotgun country. Used that thing all the time as a young buck in Virginia. Don't think I'd like the ammo price increase on them....

 

Seriously though, if they legalize it...I'll be toting a .243. Perfect for that area imo for the average range shots in places I hunt there.

[Cabin Fever]

I have a 7mm Rem Mag I haven't shot in 10 years now. No point in shotgun country. 

That would be the first rifle I'd pull out of my gun safe, if we get the green light! That was my favorite-go-to deer rifle! I have a Remington 700 BDL in 7mm Mag. Would love the opportunity to blow the dust outta that thing!! 

[phade]

Yeah, a quick check on the ammo I used in it, Ballistic Silvertips...wow...what a jump in price.

[TeeBugg]

Meh...got enough yahoos shooting houses in wayne county with a shotgun. Imagine a 300 mag. Ill stick with my muzzleloader or 870.

[Ford]

Be careful for what you wish for..

 

I am all for choice and freedom to choose, but I wish my hunting area was still shotgun.

 

There are some great rifled shotguns out there now as well.

 

If I had a spread that called for long shots, I guess I would be thinking differently.

[Doc]

If our Ontario County rifle law goes through, I'll gladly retire that 12 guage shoulder mangler and enjoy the precision of my .270 ..... even for the up close and personal shots. My .270 is not something that I am afraid of spending hours with target practicing and getting very confident in using. And it can even be a lot of fun rather than being beaten to death by recoil. Also, it's kind of nice to be deciding which hair you want to shoot the deer in....lol. Rifles are not just for long shots. They add a lot of confidence to close shots as well. Just the added familiarity that you can get from the extended practice sessions makes things a whole lot more confident.

[TeeBugg]

If our Ontario County rifle law goes through, I'll gladly retire that 12 guage shoulder mangler and enjoy the precision of my .270 ..... even for the up close and personal shots. My .270 is not something that I am afraid of spending hours with target practicing and getting very confident in using. And it can even be a lot of fun rather than being beaten to death by recoil. Also, it's kind of nice to be deciding which hair you want to shoot the deer in....lol. Rifles are not just for long shots. They add a lot of confidence to close shots as well. Just the added familiarity that you can get from the extended practice sessions makes things a whole lot more confident.

Wish everyone thought along the same lines as you. Ive seen too many horror stories with guys with slug guns around here that it makes me cringe to think they would now be able to use a rifle...again just my opinion. And even if it does pass here...ill still take the 870. Cant shoot past 100 yards in most of my spots. And for that im still an advocate for a shotgun being the most useful and effective inside 100 yards.

[TeeBugg]

Be careful for what you wish for..

I am all for choice and freedom to choose, but I wish my hunting area was still shotgun.

There are some great rifled shotguns out there now as well.

If I had a spread that called for long shots, I guess I would be thinking differently.

Ive heard some are good out to 200 with good optics and proper slugs.

[Doc]

Wish everyone thought along the same lines as you. Ive seen too many horror stories with guys with slug guns around here that it makes me cringe to think they would now be able to use a rifle...again just my opinion. And even if it does pass here...ill still take the 870. Cant shoot past 100 yards in most of my spots. And for that im still an advocate for a shotgun being the most useful and effective inside 100 yards.

Now don't be confusing me. I have been back and forth on both sides of this issue and have finally come to the conclusion that rifles are ok. And I can still go back and forth on the debate. But I can supply no proof that one is anymore dangerous than the other. I will say that rifles tend to allow people to comfortably practice with their weapon more than they do with shotguns, and perhaps that will improve their ability to hit what they are shooting at. But the bottom line is that it still comes down to safety practices of the shooter and neither weapon will compensate for that. There are arguments that shotgun slugs will hold up longer and farther than rifle bullets in the forested areas of the northeast and are therefore more lethal in ricochet situations. That's the closest I have seen on any kind of scientific study trying to compare the two. And even with that study leaves a few questions about its validity.

 

So with all this confusion on the issue, it seems logical to give it a fair test and see what happens. So far in other similar counties the experiment has been underway with no reports of increased hazard. let's see how it all plays out. Besides, I am ready to use my rifle and retire my shotgun. My shoulder has taken enough abuse over the years.....lol.

[Five Seasons]

link to article?

 

I don't really hunt any spots where a rifle would be needed over my browning with rifled barrel, but I like the option and excuse to finally get a nice rifle.

[tda]

If our Ontario County rifle law goes through, I'll gladly retire that 12 guage shoulder mangler and enjoy the precision of my .270 ..... even for the up close and personal shots. My .270 is not something that I am afraid of spending hours with target practicing and getting very confident in using. And it can even be a lot of fun rather than being beaten to death by recoil. Also, it's kind of nice to be deciding which hair you want to shoot the deer in....lol. Rifles are not just for long shots. They add a lot of confidence to close shots as well. Just the added familiarity that you can get from the extended practice sessions makes things a whole lot more confident.

 

what is the status of rifles in ontario county?

[Doc]

what is the status of rifles in ontario county?

STATUS:

S3929 NOZZOLIO Same as A 5574 Kolb

Environmental Conservation Law

TITLE....Authorizes hunting in the county of Ontario until October 1, 2015

 

02/27/13 REFERRED TO ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION

03/12/131ST REPORT CAL.184

03/13/13 2ND REPORT CAL.

03/14/13 ADVANCED TO THIRD READING

04/23/13 PASSED SENATE

04/23/13 DELIVERED TO ASSEMBLY

04/24/13 referred to environmental conservation

[WNYBuckHunter]

Whoa, that looks promising

[Doc]

I've got the gun all sighted in and ready for action. I took the gamble early on because a pretty good source claimed it was in the bag. But, I'll bet they still have enough time to screw it up again ...... lol.

[132 eight pointer]

Hmm, there is some very flat land in northern Wayne County.Thinking of Sodus,Williamson and Ontario. I am no rifle expert but I would be concerned about a ricochet or missed shot at a deer traveling across an open field . A slug would pose the same danger at close range but I would be concerned with a high power rifle bullet being able to travel a greater distance.Sounds scary to me.

[TeeBugg]

Hmm, there is some very flat land in northern Wayne County.Thinking of Sodus,Williamson and Ontario. I am no rifle expert but I would be concerned about a ricochet or missed shot at a deer traveling across an open field . A slug would pose the same danger at close range but I would be concerned with a high power rifle bullet being able to travel a greater distance.Sounds scary to me.

My point exactly. But anybody and their brother wants a rifle to be cool. Honestly the guys i hear talking about rifles i wouldnt hunt next to them with slingshots. Just my opinion

[nyslowhand]

Since I live and hunt in the flat, glacial plain areas mentioned above, I  have mixed feeling about legalizing rifles for big game. I'm a firm believer in letting everyone have the opportuntiy to hunt with their weapon of choice! This pending legislation gives me mixed feelings specifically due to the reasons outlined in the previous posting, since you can't regulate common-sense.

 

I have several treestands within 100yds of my property line which have orchards on the adjoining farms. If rifle hunting is implemented in Wayne County, may have to re-think using them during the regular season, the size of the trees these stands are proped against and even the orientation of these stands relative to the orchards. Any of you hunters in these specific areas that hunt near agr fields might have the same concerns.

 

Suppose the 2% rule that accounts for idiots is going to be ever present regardless of weapons being used. Putting rifles in the hands of some of the hardcore SZ shotgunners that already have questionable or less than ethical hunting practices in these flatland areas makes me skeptical, to say the least. In the end, the other 98% should be able to safely enjoy rifle hunting if implemented. As an individual, I'll just have to adapt or adjust my hunting locations, times, safety concerns, etc.

[cdmckane]

I guess I don't see where all this fear of ricochet is coming from. Unless you're using FMJ, the risk of ricochet is no greater than with a shotgun slug. <br /><br />And saying that some hunters may take unethical shots with a rifle is no reason to be opposed to rifle hunting. The same hunters who would take unethical shots with a rifle will most certainly do the same with a shotgun.

[Doc]

Hmm, there is some very flat land in northern Wayne County.Thinking of Sodus,Williamson and Ontario. I am no rifle expert but I would be concerned about a ricochet or missed shot at a deer traveling across an open field . A slug would pose the same danger at close range but I would be concerned with a high power rifle bullet being able to travel a greater distance.Sounds scary to me.

There is a certain level of logic in what you are saying, and I have said the same things in the past. But, I have scoured all kinds of sources trying to find any numerical proof that rifle use causes more hunting mishaps, and I really haven't found a whole lot that indicates that a rifle was the sole reason for the accident and that they wouldn't have happened had a shotgun been used. When I couple that with the study that was performed that claimed that shotguns were more dangerous than rifles because the projectiles hold up intact for more distance in a ricochet situation, my attitude against rifles has softened considerably. I also have to factor in the increased accuracy with rifles such that hunters have a better chance of actually hitting what they are aiming at, and I am starting to actually get quite enthusiastic about allowing rifles in deer season. 

 

It's all guess work, and we need a bit of history before a good conclusion can be made. There is no clear-cut decision, and time will tell if rifles are right for these kinds of areas.