California passes Micro-stamping law

[hunter49]

    Another back door anti gun move.    Calif. has passed a law that requires gun manufactures micro stamp handguns & their parts for every new gun & its parts.  Also every time the manuf.. changes or improves a product the whole process has to be done again. This also includes a micro # being stamped on a bullet locations, the primer & the casing.   The problem is the technology to do this does not exist & according to S&W. & Ruger Ceos. if this law is not repealed it will eventually do away with sales of auto handguns in Calif.   

[MACHINIST]

wow

[gfdeputy2]

Perfect now we just need to send all the anti gunners to Cali then kick it into the pacific

[ants]

A couple of gun manufacturers have already said that they won't micro-stamp and will no longer  ship to the hemp and yogurt state. You have to wonder if this was the states plan all along. At least the crips and the bloods will finally stop killing eachother

[Elmo]

Are they stamping the back of the cartridge or the back of the bullet?  Based on their logic, it would lose effectiveness if the stamp is on the back of the cartridge and the shooter uses a revolver.  No empty casings on the crime scene.  Besides.  What's they point when all the tracing will just lead back to Mexico via Fast and Furious by Obama.

[Sogaard]

There is no micro-stamping on revolvers, for that reason.  Only semi-autos.  Revolvers will still be sold there by Ruger and S&W.

 

Also this law was passed back in 2007, though it is now being enforced.

[Doc]

So now all they have to do is to pass a law that gun manufacturers cannot or will not be able to comply with, and they have circumvented the 2nd Amendment and eliminated the sale of guns. Very slick.

[ants]

So now all they have to do is to pass a law that gun manufacturers cannot or will not be able to comply with, and they have circumvented the 2nd Amendment and eliminated the sale of guns. Very slick.

Thats exactly what little King Andy's 7 round mag restriction law was meant to do.

[Five Seasons]

read this the other day. Ruger and someone else are going to cease selling there iirc. Also heard Barretta is moving from Maryland to Tennessee and was considering VA, but when the anti-gun governor was just elected they backed out. I think that sends a great message. Wish Remington would/could do it. After all Cuomo doesn't want them here.

[fasteddie]

I thought Kali-fornia was going to slide into the Ocean ......

[virgil]

Why are the manufacturers not able to comply?

[philoshop]

So now all they have to do is to pass a law that gun manufacturers cannot or will not be able to comply with, and they have circumvented the 2nd Amendment and eliminated the sale of guns. Very slick.

 

All over this country there are people who's only job is to figure out ways to circumvent that pesky thing we call the Constitution. Pick an amendment, I can assure you that someone, somewhere is thinking it stands in the way of their agenda. The second is currently a hot one, but speech, assembly and even religion are getting attention from the work-around crews.

[Sogaard]

Why are the manufacturers not able to comply?

 

Most likely, the cost of retooling their machines isn't worth it for sales to just one state.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Why are the manufacturers not able to comply?

 

The technology to make it work properly doesnt exist.

[virgil]

Is that really true? I'm picturing OJ trying on the bloody glove and making that face...'it doesn't fit'. It seems that if the law requires it, there should be a proven or patented technology that makes compliance possible. Are they saying that there is no existing technology or that microstamping in and of itself is not effective for it's intended effect?

[ants]

Totally ineffective IMHO. Micro stamping can be easily removed from the firing pin and bolt, with a $2 file and  it can wear off , after repeated firing.  Most of all,  real criminals don't use guns that are registered to them & they don't load their 15 round mags with only 7 rounds. They're scum bag criminals….Hello!!…They don't follow laws... But all in all I think that the biggest reason for firearms manufacturers  not going with the micro stamping is the cost.

[Doc]

I'm trying to figure just where on the base of any cartridge there would be room for anymore markings. I mean there is the maker's mark, and the caliber already pre-stamped there. I would assume that the ID markings would probably be some kind of 6 or 7 digit number. That would really have to be a "micro" stamp, and would probably last for a few shots before it was destroyed. Imagine trying to get anything on the base of a .22 cartridge. And then there is the question of what kind of mechanism would force the imprint. Would they be relying on the recoil to force the stamping action? It's not real surprising that the technology can't yet be achieved. It is likely that it never will.

 

And the big question is what kind of new evidence would this supply. Are they expecting that some number is going to supply the name and address of the shooter? What percent of the time would that ever actually be the case. It might supply the name and address to the guy who legally bought the gun in the first place .... the robbery victim who had it stolen from him. Now there's a real useful piece of evidence.

 

No, it is obvious that this is just yet another harassment law applied against legitimate gun owners and manufacturers. It's starting to get real blatant now. It's more of an "in-your-face" kind of law than anything aimed at crime prevention.

[ants]

I'm trying to figure just where on the base of any cartridge there would be room for anymore markings. I mean there is the maker's mark, and the caliber already pre-stamped there. I would assume that the ID markings would probably be some kind of 6 or 7 digit number. That would really have to be a "micro" stamp, and would probably last for a few shots before it was destroyed. Imagine trying to get anything on the base of a .22 cartridge. And then there is the question of what kind of mechanism would force the imprint. Would they be relying on the recoil to force the stamping action? It's not real surprising that the technology can't yet be achieved. It is likely that it never will.

 

And the big question is what kind of new evidence would this supply. Are they expecting that some number is going to supply the name and address of the shooter? What percent of the time would that ever actually be the case. It might supply the name and address to the guy who legally bought the gun in the first place .... the robbery victim who had it stolen from him. Now there's a real useful piece of evidence.

 

No, it is obvious that this is just yet another harassment law applied against legitimate gun owners and manufacturers. It's starting to get real blatant now. It's more of an "in-your-face" kind of law than anything aimed at crime prevention.

 

We have had something akin to  micro stamping for years. Its called  serial numbers on guns ! Big shock but criminals found away around that. Just like guns that are found at crime scenes never come back registered to the shooter, neither will shell casings found at a scene.

Edited February 1, 2014 by ants