Long Island Deer Cull

[NFA-ADK]

Town of North Haven NY.

Cost of snipers for deer cull 15,000$.  Deer taken estimated 22.  Goal achieved?

 

https://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/Sag-Harbor/56448/North-Haven-Appears-To-Have-Completed-Its-Deer-Cull

 

Estimated cost of deer Post program 240,000$-250,000 a year to reduce ticks.  (Under deer summary.)

 

http://northhavenny.us/deermanagement.htm

 

At least they are seeking ways to get permission from land owners and more hunters.  So it seems, think I will inquire.

 

The 150 foot rule would help.  Access is usually an issue, if the town goes knocking on doors and explains the situation it could help with approval and access if done properly. 

 

Estimated cost with sniper and post program 255,000$ - 265,000$ a year.

 

Some good bow hunters could keep the population at recommended levels at a much better cost with better results.  This area is less than 3 square miles.

 

Thoughts

 

[mike rossi]

Spraying permethrin on deer as they feed to control ticks is ridiculous. The suggestions include promoting hunting, but you cant be a hunter if you are afraid of ticks or tick-borne diseases... Sounds like your local politicians suffer from some sort of disorganized thinking disorder... Now we are justifying hunting to control ticks... Next the antis will be publishing pseudo-science about why hunting is not effective in controlling ticks... Or how hunting exasperates tick populations...

[NFA-ADK]

Tick are a big issue in these area and Lyme is the main reasoning for population control.  Despite the complains about car accidents and plant shrub damage.

 

It just seems evident they have never consulted a deer biologist and are trying to figure it out themselves.  Typical, they are throwing money at the problem with the hope that is will just go away. 

[Vince1]

im pretty sure there are a lot of other animals that can carry those ticks. course im not scientist and I don't know for sure and im just being lazy to google it.

 

on a side note.... they have a bow season out there that last through the end of march???

[mike rossi]

im pretty sure there are a lot of other animals that can carry those ticks. course im not scientist and I don't know for sure and im just being lazy to google it.

 

on a side note.... they have a bow season out there that last through the end of march???

It might be deer move greater distances than a lot of the smaller animals. However birds also carry ticks and move the greatest distances of all... Then again, other research has concluded opossums pick up more than their fair share of ticks but while grooming themselves eat the ticks and therefore considered to reduce tick populations, suggesting we should protect them or encourage their survival... 

 

I have more doubt with the effectiveness and soundness of the  strategy of spraying permitherin on deer than I do with the theory deer spread ticks throughout the landscape. Try using it on your dog, it doesn't work as "advertised". Delivering it to the deer is another problem; first its difficult to accomplish and after you fool the deer once, try it again. Second, you are putting a toxin into the environment. Also, from the way it reads, it sounds like the plan is to bait the deer and spray the chemical. Baiting/feeding alone has issues, then you are misting a chemical right near the bait, bait which not only deer will hit, but other wildlife. Not a well thought out sound strategy and it is not likely to produce the intended results.

 

As far as hunting being used as a tool to control ticks, I didn't mean that might not help, I was pointing at the political fall-out it will likely instigate.

Edited April 3, 2014 by mike rossi

[Meat Manager]

I harvested 5 with my bow last season...I will gladly take much less $$$ to try to match the sharpshooters total.

I agree a long bow season and the neighborhood informed and cooperative concerning the 150' rule will surely result in more than 22 deer taken.

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Edited April 3, 2014 by Meat Manager

[NFA-ADK]

If I ever do hunt this area it will be about population control only.  I would love to hear how they come up with these idea's.  Seems they are trying to throw money at the problem, typical of the area. 

 

Here is an idea, how about 20$ for every doe to any successful hunter.   200 deer taken at 4,000 $  Sounds a little better to me. 

 

Compared to 22 at 15,000$.  Plus the cost of feeders, chemicals and food storage.  240,000-250,000$ a year.

 

How they can justify this cost is baffling to me.   

[Vince1]

Is it smart to even smart to eat dear that have been sprayd and eaten food covered in pemathin?

I use that stuff on my cloths and it aint no jole.

I dont need stuff like that in my food.

[NFA-ADK]

I would love to do my part in this area, just do not feel like dealing with the hassle.  Between people that do not want hunters, other hunters I hear are objecting to new hunters in the area.  Permission from home owners, recovery rights, I could go on.  Hunting public land is less of a hassle and more of the type of hunting I enjoy.  (woods)

 

I do not think it would be the same with my parents watching me "whack" some deer.  And I certainly would get into trouble stalking which is how I like to hunt.  Tree stands and blinds really bore me and take away from the chase I love so much. 

 

Debating if I should get involved.     

[Carbonelement]

control the mice and chipmunks and u will control lyme.  

 

They should have earn a buck tags only for highly populated places and the deer numbers will go down.

[mike rossi]

Is it smart to even smart to eat dear that have been sprayd and eaten food covered in pemathin?

I use that stuff on my cloths and it aint no jole.

I dont need stuff like that in my food.

 

Those types of toxins are already present in sub-lethal levels in anything and everything we eat. The issue is of these toxins building up in tissues of animals and people and in the environment; rather than direct lethal poisoning or acute illness . Unless you are eating organic beef, they spray that stuff on livestock as well, legal or not, and as I said, even if they didn't spray livestock, its already in the environment. That doesn't suggest you trivialize toxins in food, its like smoking, some people don't care, but others avoid it. In any event, it is not responsible to spray it on deer. And it would surprise the heck out of me if spraying deer actually was effective at reducing ticks...

[jjb4900]

I would bet that any proposal to spray any type of chemical onto wildlife and into the environment would quickly be shut out by the environmental groups.....worst idea they could ever suggest.

[virgil]

Just read on Newsday website that the local food bank has received 4,500 pounds of venison from the East End culls.

[First-light]

The deer were shipped upstate to be butchered. All ground meat, wonder who did it?

[dbHunterNY]

Hunters would be much cheaper and more successful. 22 deer for 15k is pathetic

[Vince1]

if there is such a huge deer problem out there why don't they open up Suffolk county parks to all hunters. just makes no sense that I cant hunt out there without a damn card

[Four Season Whitetail's]

The deer were shipped upstate to be butchered. All ground meat, wonder who did it?

Whats the chances they spent the money on CWD testing before handing out the freebies?  Any Idea?

[NFA-ADK]

Funny how I do not see any disbelievers on these facts stating how this is the proper way to handle this issue and that snipers are the only way to get this done.  When the facts come out they disappear? 

 

Bow hunters are the most cost effective way to control deer population in urban environments.  A simple earn a buck would work great.  Get two doe down and you get a free buck tag.  Deer population solved. 

 

Or continue to TEST ideas and throw money at the problem. 

 

[the blur]

Any new news on this ?   Seems to have faded from the head lines....

[mike rossi]

Funny how I do not see any disbelievers on these facts stating how this is the proper way to handle this issue and that snipers are the only way to get this done.  When the facts come out they disappear? 

 

Bow hunters are the most cost effective way to control deer population in urban environments.  A simple earn a buck would work great.  Get two doe down and you get a free buck tag.  Deer population solved. 

 

Or continue to TEST ideas and throw money at the problem. 

 

My understanding is that the NY Farm Bureau or some other group of organized farmers applied for a grant to pay the USDA Wildlife Services. The local farmers apparently have had bad experiences with hunters and/or recreational hunting did not remove enough deer. Not hard to believe because nobody gets up in the morning thinking I hope I get a doe today and that isn't going to change in less than a generation turnover.

 

Outside of privately owned farmland, the DEC and local governments, including the Indian tribe that exists on Long Island, can expand hunting opportunities on public and tribal land.However, if deer react to hunting pressure by leaving public lands and entering farm land and suburban corridors, little is done in the way of population reduction and damage abatement - damage to crop, garden, and homeowner landscaping might actually increase if deer abandon the public areas. I am sure this had much to do with the change to  archery set back regulation.

[mike rossi]

Just read on Newsday website that the local food bank has received 4,500 pounds of venison from the East End culls.

 

So The United states Department of Agriculture's Division of Wildlife Services used non- lead ammunition per the website? I am sure they did.

[jjb4900]

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/east-end-deer-cull-federal-sharpshooters-kill-192-falling-short-of-goal-in-suffolk-county-report-says-1.9159212

looks like a total failure and waste of money.

[NeverSeenNorHeard]

At least they have less money to do another stupid, ill-conceived thing.... But I'm sure they will amaze me once again! 

[Borngeechee]

im pretty sure there are a lot of other animals that can carry those ticks. course im not scientist and I don't know for sure and im just being lazy to google it.

on a side note.... they have a bow season out there that last through the end of march???

Lyme disease is transmitted through a bite from a specific type of tick. The animals that most often carry these insects are white-footed field mice, deer, raccoons, opossums, skunks, weasels, foxes, shrews, moles, chipmunks, squirrels, and horses. The majority of these ticks have been found in New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maryland, New Jersey, Minnesota, and Wisconsin.

[abuckn6does]

The real problem in trying to huntout there is the people that say not in my backyard.  The cull was limited to a small area.  The deer out there are in most peoples backyards.  Getting permission to hunt in peoples yards is close to impossible.  And so the problem continues.