Deer ready to breed December 13th???

[First-light]

While walking around the property I found two pee marks that were all blood satined. I think a doe was coming in ready to breed. Any thoughts??

[phade]

I've seen this a lot in winter time. Noticeable in snow.

[upstate]

Females not bred will come in again about now and even this year's females will come in about now. 

 

I'm just inside northern tier and there was a large survivor chasing a young female at dark tonight right in my yard. 

[stoneam2006]

I saw this exact same thing yesterday. ...had some buck tracks with it

[BizCT]

Removed, keep it clean and nice, we have females on here....

Edited December 15, 2014 by burmjohn
cleaned

[Jeremy K]

I saw tracks in the snow that was leaving a blood spot on saturday, it looked as if it had a cut on that leg but i guess it could be blood dripping.

[Taylormike]

Hard to say if not impossible...How about injury from gun season?

[First-light]

It was in her pee for sure.

[sampotter]

I say no to blood in the urine being a sign of estrus. Doesn't happen with my cows. Blood in urine usually indicates injury or disease.

[landtracdeerhunter]

Looks like a urinary tract infection.

[NYbuck50]

My buddy missed a big 8 last night, as it was trying to mount a doe.  They are still going

[rotorooter23]

I say no to blood in the urine being a sign of estrus. Doesn't happen with my cows. Blood in urine usually indicates injury or disease.

 

My dog bleeds when shes in heat, urine & "estrus blood" or secretions do come from the same place...I wouldn't completely write it off

Edited December 15, 2014 by rotorooter23

[phade]

My buddy missed a big 8 last night, as it was trying to mount a doe.  They are still going

 

I wish I had that stamina.

[Bowshotmuzzleloader]

Females not bred will come in again about now and even this year's females will come in about now.

I'm just inside northern tier and there was a large survivor chasing a young female at dark tonight right in my yard.

She has not been bred yet...

[sampotter]

My dog bleeds when shes in heat, urine & "estrus blood" or secretions do come from the same place...I wouldn't completely write it off

 

 

Deer and cows are a lot more similar than deer and dogs. Cows will sometimes "bleed off" 2 days after estrus, but it is straight blood, not mixed with urine.

 

Are we even sure it is blood? I have seen a lot of really dark orange urine the past few days. I predict that in the next few weeks someone will post the yearly "blue urine" thread...

Edited December 15, 2014 by sampotter

[First-light]

Deer and cows are a lot more similar than deer and dogs. Cows will sometimes "bleed off" 2 days after estrus, but it is straight blood, not mixed with urine.

 

Are we even sure it is blood? I have seen a lot of really dark orange urine the past few days. I predict that in the next few weeks someone will post the yearly "blue urine" thread...

Sam I'm pretty sure it was blood. Dark red mixed with the urine. I saw it in 3 spots and each time it was a hole through the snow where the pee melted it away.

[sampotter]

Sam I'm pretty sure it was blood. Dark red mixed with the urine. I saw it in 3 spots and each time it was a hole through the snow where the pee melted it away.

 

I'd go with the injury/infection theory then.

[rotorooter23]

Yeah not ruling out your theory at all just adding my 2 cents. Makes sense for sure.

[nyantler]

Looks more like the heavy amber urine bucks pee this time of year... hard to tell from that photo but the pee of a doe will be in a different spot relative to the tracks than a bucks because of the difference in anatomy... I have seen this many times while tracking bucks. I don't think it's blood at all... that would be uncommon for a does pee to mix that much with estrus blood... both come from different spots in the does... um.. you know...female area.

 

This is one of the signs I look for when confirming that what I'm tracking is a buck.

Edited December 15, 2014 by nyantler

[sampotter]

Looks more like the heavy amber urine bucks pee this time of year... hard to tell from that photo but the pee of a doe will be in a different spot relative to the tracks than a bucks because of the difference in anatomy... I have seen this many times while tracking bucks. I don't think it's blood at all... that would be uncommon for a does pee to mix that much with estrus blood... both come from different spots in the does... um.. you know...female area.

 

This is one of the signs I look for when confirming that what I'm tracking is a buck.

 

Good point that everyone else overlooked! Doe pee holes are usually nice, clean holes in the snow with no dribbles. Bucks tend to pee all over "like a garden hose no one is holding on to". I agree with Nyantler that this looks more likely to be buck urine- and he's not likely to be in heat, or always in heat depending on how you look at it.

 

In fact, I saw this doe pee hole yesterday and took a picture, just so I could illustrate this point at some future time...

 

[Terry]

Doe urine is centered between the two back hoof marks usually. Buck pee is often more in front of where their hind legs would be. It also seems to me that buck will drip for a bit after they're done leaving a piss trail as to where doe usually leave a nice little hole like in Sam's pic.

Edited December 15, 2014 by Terry

[First-light]

The holes that were made were clean and not all over the place. This was definitely blood, it was not amber or orange in color. 

[First-light]

Looking over the internet it seems there really isn't an answer. Some say blood, some say it's buck urine or a doe in heat. I found what Joe said to be interesting. There was a lot of it also. 

Edited December 16, 2014 by First-light

[Bowshotmuzzleloader]

Looking over the internet it seems there really isn't an answer. Some say blood, some say it's buck urine or a doe in heat. I found what Joe said to be interesting. There was a lot of it also.

It appears I was wrong in my prior post

I found this which may lead to explanation???

For instance, the more hydrated a deer is the less color will be seen in their urine. When a whitetail is dehydrated, or when they are feeding on more acidic food such as acorns, their urine will be much more concentrated and appear orange. I once tracked a buck whose urine was actually purple. Initially, I thought perhaps something was wrong with the animal, but later learned that he was feeding heavily on blue juniper berries.

When deer are on a restricted diet, which is often the case during the breeding stage of the rut, their urine appears very dark, almost red in appearance. To the casual observer it would seem that there is blood mixed in with the urine. The reason for this coloration of urine is the result of the deer’s body metabolizing fat reserves in the absence of food intake. What is critical, especially to a buck, is not the color of a doe’s urine but the pheromones she is emitting during that critical three-day period that she is ready to breed.

[the blur]

You guys Deer Doctors now ?? Or deer OBGYN your specialty ??