Situation in Baltimore

[jjb4900]

I do not understand the expression of outrage over police brutality justifying the burning and looting of neighboring properties. Where's the logic in that? That kind of lends credence to the suspicion that none of this really has as much to do with police brutality as it does with a simple excuse to hold a party and burn and break things.

most animals, when threatened, scared or just confused because of their lack of intelligence, will usually attack whatever they can............there is no thought process behind it.

[Carbonelement]

they need to start shooting these animals, very simple say go home or we r using deadly force.  Shoot a few and you will see some of the best moon walks since M. Jackson was alive!

[Carbonelement]

and call it whatever you want to call it, its a bunch of black people doing what they do...acting out with no regard for anyone or anything.  Blacks who do or encourage this type pof behavior keep racism alive.  

[Elmo]

I must have missed those other races rioting. Which one are you talking about?

Here is just one example of other races rioting.

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[Vince1]

I will make sure next time whites start destroying things because the team they love so much loses to make a discuss post and see who says stuff like animals and whites just doin what they do.

As far as education it does start at home. But in broken homes u ofyen get patents who dont have a good education. Add to it a union run school system who keep bad teachers who dont care teaching who end up getting shifted to low income schools creating more of a problem.

And when solutions are offered through non unionized charter schools that show rrsults the union and their politicians try to shut them down.

I grew up in that. My kids avoid it because i draggd myself out of it.

Anyone who cant see a problem other than what they feel is black animals just doin what they do is just another closed minded individual luvin in a bubble who cant see past there front yard in a nice safe neighborhoood.

There are plenty of upstanding citizens protesting. Not just criminals who a few here like to use as an example of them all.

But that doest feed into the narrative of the black animal i see thrown around so much.

I am not an exception, and i hqve never been savage animal.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Here is just one example of other races rioting.

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Two points.

 

They are Canadians so the bar is low to start with 

And, we must have very different ideas of what a race riot is. I didn't see how the car got flipped but is seems the majority I see are more interested in taking pics for social media than looting, burning, throwing objects at cops and cinderblocks through moving first responder vehicles.

[Skillet]

I love Kermit.

[jjb4900]

"luvin in a bubble"

now that sounds like fun..........

[wildcat junkie]

Two points.

They are Canadians so the bar is low to start with

And, we must have very different ideas of what a race riot is. I didn't see how the car got flipped but is seems the majority I see are more interested in taking pics for social media than looting, burning, throwing objects at cops and cinderblocks through moving first responder vehicles.

http://youtu.be/aaxfLWHo8Tc

[Culvercreek hunt club]

I guess the moral of the story is Outlaw sports.

[Vince1]

I guess the moral of the story is Outlaw sports.

I agree. Its the only way to stop these savage animals from destroying the place. Maybe if police would just start putting these animals down like the filthy beasts they are they would learn to stay in there place.

[dbHunterNY]

Probably one of the most difficult jobs there are.

 

problem is they make life altering decisions that take other peoples lives, and when they make bad calls they aren't held accountable because other cops say stuff like " don't worry I got your back".

 

social Media and the internet and Cell Phone Vids are just shining a HUGE spotlight on how often police kill unarmed black men who do questionable things.

 

Don't get me wrong a lot of people down there are just taking advantage of this to cause trouble and should be punished accordingly, as should officers who abuse the power given to them and make bad calls that take peoples lives.

 

But of course people assume that the police always make the "right call" and everyone they kill is a perp and when people get outraged and protest they just don't get it.

 

My own wife does the same thing, overgeneralize and say what is wrong with black people. then I have to remind her she has two black sons one of which is in a Gifted and Talented school and she corrects herself. the people doing this are poor, uneducated, criminals who feel they have no way out, some who probably wouldn't take a way out if it was handed to them on a silver platter because they are CRIMINALS.

 

when other races riot you never hear people say whats wrong with white people, whats wrong with arab people, whats wrong with Irish or Philippinos. crap like this could happen to any race in any country, its a people problem and in my opinion it all stems from a lack of education in a welfare state in places where there are huge pockets of crime and poverty. add perceived police/military/government abuse and there will always be a tipping point.

 

you want to fix this, educate, rehabilitate and find ways to grow the middle class and create jobs instead of shrinking the middle class and turning america to a piss pot of idiots who overuse credit creating bubbles that ruin the economy.

 

i think you were just venting and not assuming anything or taking any sides at this point.  there's definitely a lot of stereotyping and associated comments when stuff like this happens.  I'm with you in that lots of problems compound each other to make this go down.  in the end education, rehab, growing middle class will help and can a lot.  there will always be broken individuals though that regardless of opportunity make poor decisions. aka in this case a bunch of thugs ruining it for the vast majority of the city and protestors that are in the wrong place at the wrong time.  at home parenting will help to but some still stray.  that kid getting slapped around by his mom just didn't stray very far.  she gets an A+ in my book.  it all comes down to decisions we make.  sometimes others need to help us a little to make them.  outcome is always the same though as we're responsible for our actions and should be held accountable, whether you're black, white, purple, cop, or a thug.  making no assumptions or what if scenarios, it doesn't take an armed individual to warrant a person shooting.  a cop should avoid drawing a weapon and firing as much as possible but at some point they can't wait for it to be a wrestling match on the pavement over their own gun.  that i would not classify as a bad call.  they've got families and friends to go home to and a life to live too.  i know of and met some individuals that were so in deep with "thug" life that they can't go back to where they came from, even to see family, because they'll get sought out and killed.  they made good choices though and got out anyway without a pot to pee in.  some with a whole lot of college debt they'll probably be paying forever and others just making do with what they've got without one.  doesn't matter if you're gifted or not... anyone will get credit in some form or another when they make good decisions.

[Elmo]

Here's another.

http://youtu.be/QTwk-2fKT7o

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[jjb4900]

how come there has never been a riot directed at the lack of work, available education and chances of being rehabilitated in this Country???????

[Vince1]

how come there has never been a riot directed at the lack of work, available education and chances of being rehabilitated in this Country???????

Occupy wall street.

And that morphed into a number of diffrnt movements.

Parents in ny protesting to keep charter schools open in poor neighborhoods with failing schools as well.

If u cared to look beyond your assumptions u would see alot more good than bad.

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[jjb4900]

Occupy wall street.

did they destroy the city?

[mmkay]

Occupy Wall Street was a Executive branch / Democratic party / Union lead effort...

[Vince1]

Occupy Wall Street was a Executive branch / Democratic party / Union lead effort...

It was poorly executed but it made a point of highlighting the shrinking middle class.

[Vince1]

did they destroy the city?

No. And niether did the parents who went upstate to protest for charter schools in ubderserved communities.

U asked where were the protest for jobs and education... there u go.

Now please stop generalizing

[mmkay]

The middle class is striking because of Illegal and Legal immigration (H 1 visas).  Native born American's are being displaced.  I/T workers are being forced to train their Indian / Chinese replacements.  Construction workers have seen their wages stay the same for years because there are too many south Americans competing for construction work. 

 

 

 

Both Republican and Democrats are to blame for this.  The political class if bending us over!

 

 

 

Occupy Wall Street distracted you and others from this reality

 

 

 

 

 

BOHICA

 

Edited April 30, 2015 by mmkay

[Mr VJP]

Only 16% of Baltimore students are proficient in reading. Only 13% are proficient in grade-level math. These shocking statistics reveal a root cause of the terrible economic and social climate in cities like Baltimore.

We are told that Baltimore is a symptom of oppression. But there is something much larger going on than issues regarding the policing in black communities. Crime and poverty rates are astronomical.

What liberals don’t want you to consider is that Baltimore (like many failed US cities) is run by Democrats in a manner wholly decided by Democrats. While federal standards may have an adverse effect on the nation’s education system, numbers this low demonstrate a profound failure of local leadership.

$1,441,019,000 – nearly one and half billion dollars, that’s what Baltimore City Public Schools received in revenue during the 2010-2011 school year. 19% of which comes from federal taxpayers, with another 19% coming from the state of Maryland. The schools spent that and about $10 million more.

Despite adequate funding, the students in Baltimore suffer. They are stuck in a system where one-size-fits-all, and where teacher unions demand job security and costly pensions for bad teachers. Money is dumped into inner city schools with no results in student performance.

Charter, magnet, and private schools offer different approaches and academic cultures, but laws designed to protect public schools and teachers unions block access to these paths for many students.

Competition and diversity in learning are condemned as liberals continue to prescribe more of the same. If anything, they claim they need more federal money. But it has already been proven that more money will not benefit the students.

We see a lot of conjecture about what causes the kind of inner city poverty which creates conditions fertile for riots. But not many want to talk about these troubling statistics surrounding the Baltimore’s failing school system.

Perhaps because that would require the people of that city to take responsibility for themselves, rather than portraying themselves as victims of institutional oppression.

[steve863]

Well, there would be a good many people on this forum that would accuse me of being a liberal for my opinions on guns and how I don't think everyone should own whatever they damned well please, but I will tell you one thing that surely won't endear me to any liberals.  Before anyone starts claiming all these obstacles that black people might have, I want someone to tell me who makes up the vast majority of prisoners in American jails?   Now how did they get there?  Did they all get put there by mistaken identity or just because people of other races wanted to put them there?  You see that there is one mighty BIG obstacle that black people have, and it surely wasn't created by anyone else but themselves.  The perception of the other races is that you are taking a much greater risk when they hire a black person over one of another race for a number of reasons.  I really would like to hear those people who don't think this perception is a valid one, to disprove it?  Are the rioters in Baltimore doing anything to disprove it?  Are people like Al Sharpton doing anything to disprove it?  Are the blacks who have been on welfare for generations and not done anything to get themselves off doing anything to disprove any perception? Is it just all a white conspiracy against blacks?  You guys can tell me.

 

 All I know is that my parents were immigrants who came to this country with one suitcase.  They were not college educated yet valued education very much, had a hard time with the language in their early years after arriving, yet they were able to buy a house of their own, raise two kids and put them thru college and had the comforts of what could be considered middle class comforts.  They were able to do this without any public assistance whatsoever and they did this all in a span of 20 or so years.  Why could they do it, while many blacks who have been here for generations haven't?  Again, you guys can try to tell me if you want, I'm all ears, but I can assure you that the reasons are NOT skin color alone.

[Mr VJP]

Some good questions here.

Columnist Burt Prelutsky: "If the cops are as racist as the idiots in the streets keep claiming, why is it we never see Asians or black immigrants from the Caribbean rioting and complaining about police brutality? With all the people of color residing in America, why is it always and only native-born blacks who take to the streets complaining of mistreatment? Could it possibly have anything to do with the violent crime rate and the lack of parental discipline found in their community that leads to so many unpleasant interactions between the police and young black thugs? Furthermore, if things are as oppressive as they claim, why do we never see a mass migration to Canada or Mexico? The only blacks we ever see leaving the U.S. are those like convicted cop killer Joanne Chesimard, who leave, seeking asylum in Cuba."

[mmkay]

Mr. VJP -

 

To answer your question concerning immigrating to Canada or Mexico...

 

 

 

Canada = has an intelligent immigration policy.  You have to prove worth to Canada (can't be a burden on the state) before you can move there, hence free loaders aren’t allowed to move there

 

 

 

Mexico = has very limited social welfare.  Hence free loaders won't move there

Edited April 30, 2015 by mmkay

[steve863]

The middle class is striking because of Illegal and Legal immigration (H 1 visas).  Native born American's are being displaced.  I/T workers are being forced to train their Indian / Chinese replacements.  Construction workers have seen their wages stay the same for years because there are too many south Americans competing for construction work. 

 

 

 

Both Republican and Democrats are to blame for this.  The political class if bending us over!

 

 

 

Occupy Wall Street distracted you and others from this reality

 

 

 

 

 

BOHICA

 

 

How is the immigrant labor different today, than it was when the railroads were being built with the Chinese and Irish?  Or immigrants being used to work in PA coal mines?  Immigrant labor has always been an important fabric of this nation.  America touts the virtues of capitalism, and capitalisms goal is to make profits.  Immigrant labor has always been cheaper thus it gets utilized.  If you complain about immigrants getting the jobs over native born Americans, then you are against capitalism and for what this country has stood for for a long time now.  You may not like it, but that's the way it works.  I guess socialism and communism could be alternatives, but most here probably wouldn't want that either.