Didn't think DEC could....

[growalot]

make me any angrier..but got the NYODN today  front page" Deer Kill expected to decline"...due to winter kill they say yet...here I am...as I type this the corn next door is being chopped ...which means over 200 acres around me is being chopped...So where will the deer be in 2wks...my place and my neighbors...but I can't hunt buck here...and refuse to take my normal doe....this is the earliest corn harvest we've seen...

Edited September 17, 2015 by growalot

[DirtTime]

Is the DEC sucking the tailpipe of diesel engines or what? They want a higher doe take, but, reduce the amount of DMP's 20-30% from last year. Isn't that like putting your boots on your hands and wondering why your feet get cold? Yep, we are all in for a rough few years. They making less and less sense with all these foolish changes. 

 

[growalot]

A DEC retired biologist wrote in and told the truth as he knows it...having worked for them and said it's all about the early ML and there's no masking it.

[DirtTime]

So, it's not actually about archery or even the normal gun seasons? It's about muzzle loaders all he way? The other two seasons have to eat a slice of crap pie for the muzzle loading season? That's going to help things how? 

[landtracdeerhunter]

 So, we should take less deer as numbers are dropping? It's going to be tough, watching the deer go by for the first two. 

[Doc]

A DEC retired biologist wrote in and told the truth as he knows it...having worked for them and said it's all about the early ML and there's no masking it.

Was there ever any doubt? The early muzzleloader season has always been a goal of the DEC. The resistance to it was very heavy back when they first tried it. So now they want to set up a situation where it looks like they have no other choice. It has nothing to do with harvesting more does. And it's a good thing for them too because the result of this charade is likely to be exactly the opposite. Or at least that's what they are hoping. The failure of this fiasco is what they will be using as their urgent need to install an early muzzleloader season. Yes, it will begin in certain select areas until the resistance has its back broken (practically there already) and then they will roll it out to other areas.

[nyantler]

Yeah it looks like the DEC is taking small bites right now in hopes that much of their plan will go unnoticed until it finally encompasses the whole state.

[NYbuck50]

Realize that the DEC is a government agency and therefore inept

[growalot]

The sick almost laughable new thing is they are going to implement a NEW plan to encompass the feed back of more"stake holders/hunters".    Ya right...they are getting their arses handed to them across the net and in publications and the spin Doctors are being put on over time.

[Five Seasons]

make me any angrier..but got the NYODN today  front page" Deer Kill expected to decline"...due to winter kill they say yet...here I am...as I type this the corn next door is being chopped ...which means over 200 acres around me is being chopped...So where will the deer be in 2wks...my place and my neighbors...but I can't hunt buck here...and refuse to take my normal doe....this is the earliest corn harvest we've seen...

 

f8ck em. shoot a buck anyhow grow.

[growalot]

I  hopefully will ..at camp 8X or Jims 8M... I am hoping ...hoping that here certain guys will know that with as many cams in the woods one of the legal hunters will have gotten a picture of any buck they may think to take illegally and think twice...word spreads fast...then if things don't pan out at the other places...I'll still get a crack at a target or two come the 16th...

[growalot]

PS.. Mr B mowed camp yesterday...things are looking good!

[WNYBuckHunter]

As far as the article goes, are they talking about state wide numbers?

[growalot]

No they did say catskills and the south western units...they said the fingerlakes and plains region weren't hit as hard and # stayed same or went up...still I remain pizzed

 oh and dove hunt article was on front page

 the deer pilot program for central NY is on pg 6

[jjb4900]

having hunted in the Catskills for 30+ years, I fully expect the deer take to decline this year..........it's gotten worse and worse every year, blame it on winter kill, Coyotes, lack of food, too many doe tags in years past....whatever. The deer numbers just aren't there anymore.

[sailinghudson25]

having hunted in the Catskills for 30+ years, I fully expect the deer take to decline this year..........it's gotten worse and worse every year, blame it on winter kill, Coyotes, lack of food, too many doe tags in years past....whatever. The deer numbers just aren't there anymore.

 

Lack of farming.....   Many corn planters rusting in the weeds.  Even hayfield turning into brush.  Ontop of that, NYC DEP buying every inch they can get their mits on, and then making it mature woods with no browse.

 

Now, people got to shoot 6 pointers on top of seeing less and less deer.  

 

I feel bad for you guys, but this proposed early muzzleloader season, have they insinuated to the regulations.  Pretty much anything goes like the late season, or a primitive season, much like PA's flintlock.

 

Doe tags don't link with common sense.  Places that barely have deer get thousands of tags, while a place where the DEC officer hits 2 deer in the past year has no doe tags.   Afraid to drive the classic car at night in that area.

[gjs4]

They are clueless on what lives where.

There's something they love about ml tag sales and that's why they linked in xbows. Then again we call young bucks antler less so who knows?

They don't know the herd, they don't care about it and all of this will be visible soon when we have nothing left to hunt.

Intensely managed ground in 8g w ag, food plots and low pressure (and acreage) since 1999- worst observations (numbers and buck age) to date. However we are the highest for dmps issued ..... Go figure. One could bring in the ever flourishing coyotes but the 98" of snow in three days lasting a week had far more to do with it. Then again- mr.h flies the flag of a deer plan designed in 09 for needed actions 6 and 7 yrs later w no regard for weather imposed mortality or crop cycles. Bad times ahead

[WNYBuckHunter]

Lack of farming.....   Many corn planters rusting in the weeds.  Even hayfield turning into brush.  Ontop of that, NYC DEP buying every inch they can get their mits on, and then making it mature woods with no browse.

 

Now, people got to shoot 6 pointers on top of seeing less and less deer.  

 

I feel bad for you guys, but this proposed early muzzleloader season, have they insinuated to the regulations.  Pretty much anything goes like the late season, or a primitive season, much like PA's flintlock.

 

Doe tags don't link with common sense.  Places that barely have deer get thousands of tags, while a place where the DEC officer hits 2 deer in the past year has no doe tags.   Afraid to drive the classic car at night in that area.

 

You do realize that the early ML season that has been talked about will only be put into place in the regions that need to knock the population down, the same areas that they put the 2 week antlerless season in. I have not seen anywhere they have suggested it would be for the whole state.

[Doc]

You do realize that the early ML season that has been talked about will only be put into place in the regions that need to knock the population down, the same areas that they put the 2 week antlerless season in. I have not seen anywhere they have suggested it would be for the whole state.

One thing that they never seem to talk about much is whether the early muzzleloader season will be chopped off if the deer population gets down to more suitable levels. In other words, will this become another season that they can shuffle around from one year to another as required so no one will be able to plan on it being there or not? I'll bet that once implemented, it will never go away.

 

As far as where such a season may wind up, I believe that just like the big DEC push a decade ago, the intent is to make the early muzzleloader season eventually apply state wide. That's what they were talking about when they wanted it before, and there's no reason to think that they have changed their minds on that goal. I am sure that they are looking to set precedents for future expansion.

[jjb4900]

One thing that they never seem to talk about much is whether the early muzzleloader season will be chopped off if the deer population gets down to more suitable levels. In other words, will this become another season that they can shuffle around from one year to another as required so no one will be able to plan on it being there or not? I'll bet that once implemented, it will never go away.

 

As far as where such a season may wind up, I believe that just like the big DEC push a decade ago, the intent is to make the early muzzleloader season eventually apply state wide. That's what they were talking about when they wanted it before, and there's no reason to think that they have changed their minds on that goal. I am sure that they are looking to set precedents for future expansion.

usually, once you get something, it's very hard to get rid of it.........

[landtracdeerhunter]

An early muzzleloader season was, is, and forever shall be the goal of the DEC.. Deer numbers have nothing to do with their madness. Just an excuse to proceed with their agenda.

[WNYBuckHunter]

One thing that they never seem to talk about much is whether the early muzzleloader season will be chopped off if the deer population gets down to more suitable levels. In other words, will this become another season that they can shuffle around from one year to another as required so no one will be able to plan on it being there or not? I'll bet that once implemented, it will never go away.

 

As far as where such a season may wind up, I believe that just like the big DEC push a decade ago, the intent is to make the early muzzleloader season eventually apply state wide. That's what they were talking about when they wanted it before, and there's no reason to think that they have changed their minds on that goal. I am sure that they are looking to set precedents for future expansion.

 

I believe that was explained a few years ago when the management plan came out and they started really floating the idea. It will be in place only when and where needed. Ill see if I can find that.