NY Moose Hunting Bill

[BKhunter]

Just curious if anyone else saw this and what your thoughts are?

 

https://www.nysenate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/patrick-m-gallivan/senator-gallivan-announces-senate-passes-bill-allow-moose 

[growalot]

link  didn't work that topic can't be found

[WingNut]

https://www.nysenate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/patrick-m-gallivan/senate-approves-bill-allow-moose-hunting-new-york

 

[DirtTime]

With only 800 I hope DEC does right with seasons, limits and licensing. Limited number lottery for both residents and non-residents.

I see it as a good thing over all.

All the NZ upper Dack hunters using public land and see few to no hunters might see more pressure with this addition though.

[Doewhacker]

It doesn't guarantee a season, it only gives the DEC the power to decide if ever they want a season.

[ATbuckhunter]

Well if they believe we have a huntable population I'm all for it. I personally would like to see the moose population be in the 1000 range before we have a season. I'm glad that when the DEC thinks there are enough they can make a season.

[DirtTime]

Well if they believe we have a huntable population I'm all for it. I personally would like to see the moose population be in the 1000 range before we have a season. I'm glad that when the DEC thinks there are enough they can make a season.

I agree 100%. That's why I said with only 800 I hope they are lean with licenses. If it gets accomplished.

[Doewhacker]

 It only classifies Moose as Big Game and gives the DEC power to decide what's best to do. Plus it has to go through the Assembly.

 

http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?default_fld=&leg_video=&bn=S00093&term=2015&Summary=Y&Text=Y

 

 

I can't fathom the money that would be raised by issuing a lottery for a tag or 3, who wouldn't want to be the first NY'er to kill a Moose.

[DirtTime]

You mean the first NY'er to kill a moose IN NY.

[ncountry]

You mean the first NY'er to kill a moose IN NY.

You mean the 1st new Yorker to kill one legally in season..lol.. there has been more than one shot by some fool , thinking it was a deer.

[growalot]

No...A NY hunter to be the first to kill a moose in NY during a season. I'm thinking this is now on the table because of moose vehicle collisions...where both Moose and driver loose...

[ncountry]

A guy hit one, right in front of my house 10 years ago,or so. Totaled his new 3/4 ton pick-up . There is one spotted every year locally. We live 1/2 hour north of the ADK park. Would be great to eventually have season.

[wooly]

Ahhhh crap... I thought the NY moose were hunting Bill Schmidt from the title.

I knew it was too good to be true!

 

[ATbuckhunter]

I agree 100%. That's why I said with only 800 I hope they are lean with licenses. If it gets accomplished.

Sorry I forgot to press submit so when I originally wrote the message, so I didn't see your comment. 

[DirtTime]

Ahhhh crap... I thought the NY moose were hunting Bill Schmidt from the title.

I knew it was too good to be true!

Damnit wooly! WTF! I just spewed Bud all over the floor laughing at that one. Alcohol abuse! Thanks!

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[mike rossi]

It doesn't guarantee a season, it only gives the DEC the power to decide if ever they want a season.

 

Jim - that might have been different legislation that already passed a few months ago, but I am not sure.

 

If you read up on this bill, it has not passed anything, it has not been voted on and is in committee.

 

The bold type indicates amendments to existing law they want. Pretty much where something reads deer - to add the word moose.

 

The most interesting part of this legislation to me, and hopefully to you, is 12/ 11-0923, the section pertaining to hunting dogs. The amendments do little more than add the word moose next to deer, but that is not my point. My point is, that our politico pays attention to the regulations/laws pertaining to training hunting dogs when it relates to deer and moose or "big game"; but not otherwise. In essence they pay attention to deer and moose but not you and me and others.A person of normal curiosity would look at those dog training laws and develop some questions. We have almost 212 legislators that (in theory) are looking over the this legislation. If this is not proof positive the bird hunting community in NY needs to get politically engaged, I don't know what is. A lawmaker wont have "time" to address these matters with you , me or others, but when it has some relevance to big game matters they make some tweaks. Maybe someday when the legislature amends hunting dog training laws it will be to conserve wildlife or facilitate stakeholders that train hunting dogs, wouldn't that be novel? 

[mike rossi]

There was also some stipulation regarding shooting hours that appeared to overlook existing hunting hours for turkey hunting, waterfowl, and special waterfowl seasons - sept geese and snow goose conservation order.

 

But they did pass it in the senate only, here is a news article from the bill sponsor in the senate:

 

Legislation Would Include Moose as Part of Big Game

Senator Patrick M. Gallivan (R-C-I, Elma) announces the Senate has passed a bill (S-93A) that would allow the hunting of moose in New York State.  The legislation would amend current environmental conservation law to regulate the taking of moose in the same manner as deer hunting.
“This legislation will allow the state to better manage the moose population and provide new opportunities for hunters in New York and neighboring states,” Gallivan said.  “It will be up to the Department of Environmental Conservation to establish rules and regulations for the taking of moose.” 
The legislation authorizes the DEC to establish a licensing process and determine an appropriate hunting season.  The department would also set limits and licensing fees.
DEC biologists have estimated New York’s moose population to be about 800, with most of them found in the Adirondack region.
The Senate passed the bill last year, but it was not voted on in the Assembly.  The legislation will be sent to the Assembly again for consideration.

Edited June 15, 2016 by mike rossi

[BizCT]

Moose, Schmoose!

 

What's the latest on the xbow bill? deadline is tomorrow, right?

[growalot]

BTW...that is lose not loose...though...hit a moose and I'm  sure many things will become loose...

[Rebel Darling]

The legislation died in the Assembly (A3742-A, DiPietro) on May 10.

[dbHunterNY]

seemed fine to me when I skimmed through it.  I think it'd be good to allow regulated moose hunting in NY.

[mike rossi]

The legislation died in the Assembly (A3742-A, DiPietro) on May 10.

 

Are you sure about that? How does it die in the assembly, you mean in the assembly encon committee? That would mean the bill is 2 years old, I do not believe it is that old. Either that or it would mean they voted against it in committee or the floor. I dont believe any of that happened. Please explain what you are talking about. 

 

Tracking this legislation has been difficult  - I think there have been several bills and revisions. The info I posted was from the senate sponsor, and he sent it out yesterday - this said the assembly needs to move on it, so I believe what I posted is accurate.

 

I am interested in the progress of this legislation. This moose legislation might be a favorable precedent to future dove bills. It is encouraging that the moose bill has progressed, although it has not yet passed. The senate passed a moose bill recently, but it still needs to clear the assembly and the governor. In the past, both the assembly and the senate have hesitated with dove bills. What the impetus for a moose season is, I don't know ( less than 400 bulls in the state, of which less than 100 are mature bulls, nobody wants to shoot cows and yearling bulls so the additional hunting opportunity is minor. But its good news for the dove initiative.

[mike rossi]

Here is what the assembly website says below. Introduced on January 27, 2015 and held in committee on May 10 2016. Bill is NOT dead. it has not been voted out and it is less than 1.5 old so it has not expired either. Lawmakers break June 15 or so, and do not return until February. So, it looks like it will expire, unless they work over break which they sometimes do. The bill can be reintroduced in the assembly next February if it does expire. Technically the bill is  not dead yet... 

 

Carl Heastie and Steve Englebright are who need to be contacted to progress the bill at this point. Doing so would not be wise though until the majority of the assembly is on board with the proposal - because there is no sense it pushing for a vote if it is going to be voted out. 

 

A03742 Actions:
BILL NO A03742A

01/27/2015 referred to environmental conservation
06/02/2015 amend (t) and recommit to environmental conservation
06/02/2015 print number 3742a
01/06/2016 referred to environmental conservation
05/10/2016 held for consideration in environmental conservation
 

 

Edited June 16, 2016 by mike rossi

[Rebel Darling]

Here is what the assembly website says below. Introduced on January 27, 2015 and held in committee on May 10 2016. Bill is NOT dead. it has not been voted out and it is less than 1.5 old so it has not expired either. Lawmakers break June 15 or so, and do not return until February. So, it looks like it will expire, unless they work over break which they sometimes do. The bill can be reintroduced in the assembly next February if it does expire. Technically the bill is  not dead yet... 

 

Carl Heastie and Steve Englebright are who need to be contacted to progress the bill at this point. Doing so would not be wise though until the majority of the assembly is on board with the proposal - because there is no sense it pushing for a vote if it is going to be voted out. 

 

A03742 Actions:

BILL NO A03742A

01/27/2015 referred to environmental conservation

06/02/2015 amend (t) and recommit to environmental conservation

06/02/2015 print number 3742a

01/06/2016 referred to environmental conservation

05/10/2016 held for consideration in environmental conservation

 

 

Hi, Mike.

 

Yes, I am 100% sure.

 

"Held for consideration" is a political euphemism for "dead."  That bill will not move.  The majority members (minus Aileen Gunther, who votes Aye on many hunting bills) on the committee voted to "hold" it, which, in effect and in reality, kills the bill.  This is 13 years experience in legislative coverage writing.  The bill, despite your reasoning, IS dead.

 

Lawmakers are scheduled to leave town today (and I hope to high heaven they do), and moose hunting is not on the Assembly's radar, especially not a bill sponsored by DiPietro, a Republican member in a Democratic chamber. 

 

The bill can be reintroduced anytime after Nov. 15, this year, when pre-filing for the 2017-18 Legislative Session begins.  And if DiPietro carries the bill, it will be "held for consideration" again, and again, and again...

 

[mike rossi]

Hi, Mike.

 

Yes, I am 100% sure.

 

"Held for consideration" is a political euphemism for "dead."  That bill will not move.  The majority members (minus Aileen Gunther, who votes Aye on many hunting bills) on the committee voted to "hold" it, which, in effect and in reality, kills the bill.  This is 13 years experience in legislative coverage writing.  The bill, despite your reasoning, IS dead.

 

Lawmakers are scheduled to leave town today (and I hope to high heaven they do), and moose hunting is not on the Assembly's radar, especially not a bill sponsored by DiPietro, a Republican member in a Democratic chamber. 

 

The bill can be reintroduced anytime after Nov. 15, this year, when pre-filing for the 2017-18 Legislative Session begins.  And if DiPietro carries the bill, it will be "held for consideration" again, and again, and again...

 

You are describing several political realities - however it would be productive if you would provide suggestions about how the hunting community can impact the Legislature on bills like this. With a focused response from sportsmen, hunting legislation can be moved favorably. Even difficult bills have succeeded when there is an effort and commitment. I dont only mean a different sponsor than Depietro, that is only one aspect. Even with this sponsor, things can fly. Hunters need to understand the influence of grassroots lobbying. Your take on this would be appreciated by me and others!