Stands on the line

[Chef]

So today I walked the woods at the home that I have a offer in on... I found a stand that by the property map seems to be right on the line... I'm not sure if it's the current owners or the neighbors.... By the looks of it I'm assuming it's the neighbors... The Maine issue is the only place you can shoot from the stand is onto my land... It's on a steep hill right on the line and the window is facing my land....truthfully it's in a great spot and if it is the neighbors what do I do. He can sit there all he wants but I will be putting a stand in the same location on my land and using it.... I really do not want him shooting onto my land, but I also don't want to be the new a hole in town who tells the neighbor he can't hunt his only stand.... He only has 5 acers 3 of which are cleared....and his land is surrounded by mine except for his road frontage... So if I don't let him hunt then he can't hunt.... What would you do

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[Four Season Whitetail's]

Tough call for sure. First you have to get the property before you have to make any tough calls. Make sure to get the land plotted out so you know the lines 100%. If the owner now gave this fella the Ok to hunt then thats prob why that stand is there, For you to boot him will be your call. Tough to do at times, If you have plenty of other stand spots then maybe let him slide with him knowing your wishes of what size or how many animals he can kill on your property that he is shooting the deer on.

[Chef]

Tough call for sure. First you have to get the property before you have to make any tough calls. Make sure to get the land plotted out so you know the lines 100%. If the owner now gave this fella the Ok to hunt then thats prob why that stand is there, For you to boot him will be your call. Tough to do at times, If you have plenty of other stand spots then maybe let him slide with him knowing your wishes of what size or how many animals he can kill on your property that he is shooting the deer on.

Contract is signed, so it kinda has become my problem..there will be a survey done soon so that will help, but only with the issue of who's land the stand is on... I'll have to talk to the current owner and see what his take on it is


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[BizCT]

Hopefully it's the current owners


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[nyslowhand]

Your new neighbor had (had?) the ideal situation, a home with a small plot of land, w/min taxes and the ability to hunt the property line and onto your land. Depending on exactly what the PL survey reveals, you have a couple of uncomfortable choices to make. First thing (my suggestion!) is to introduce yourself to that neighbor, explain your hunting or property usage desires, explain that you regret that any old privileges granted by old land owner are NOT carried over to your ownership and see how he/they react. This is where you need to be super tactiful and not immediately make an enemy. Could explain your plan on putting a stand near theirs and would appreciate them not shooting onto your property, for safety reason. Offer the neighbor friendly retrieval rights, which shouldn't be confused with hunting rights. Someday you may need to retrieve from their 5ac property, so that should be a reciprocal offering.You could barter hunting rights, in return for some amount of "sweat equity" on their part. OR... you could just be the A-hole and immediately put a stand up on your new property directly in front of theirs and then explain to them where the PL is and what you've done. Obviously the outcome of either scenario depends on the neighbor's reaction to your 1st meeting and how he/they perceive the situation. Unfortunately, feuds with neighbors is the worst possible scenario for a new land owner to deal with!!!

[Buckmaster7600]

In my experience you have a rough road ahead. Best case is its the old landowners! If it was me and it is the neighbors I would lay it out that he can't shoot on your land but can absolutely retrieve an animal. If he takes this bad then the games will begin. He really will have the upper hand because as I understand it this won't be your primary residence, he will know when your there and when your not.


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[Doc]

So what is the situation on your new land? Do you have a fair amount of acreage so that you have a lot of other good viable stands? If you were to let this one and perhaps only opportunity for him to hunt at home slide, how badly would that impact your hunting success? How eager are you to start off your new purchase with a neighborhood feud? Are you interested in shutting down any possibility of a friendly reciprocal right of retrieval agreement that would benefit you as well as him? And also, understand that he is perfectly legal until he steps foot on your land to retrieve a deer shot on your property. I think these questions indicate what way I am leaning ..... lol. I tend to make agreements with neighbors that eliminate tensions and keep good cooperative attitudes with neighbors. It usually works out to my benefit in the long haul.

[growalot]

A couple of big factors....age of neighbor and if you surround his 5 acre to the road frontage does he have  a home or camp? I ask because that could impede your hunting much of your own land for gun season. As for age,well older people are on the road to two things...a move or death. First option to buy in the future can be a stress reliever. If young then you could inadvertently end up in a long hissing match,as it were. Too late now but I'm a firm believer in never signing until meeting the neighbors.

[outdoorstom]

Like others have said, lots of unanswered questions. The biggest one in my mind is if you have lots of property and can afford to give up the spot. If not, feud or no feud, I'd tactfully rescind hunting rights.

[Bowguy 1]

Get a bunch of plywood n erect a privacy barrier right in front of his stand. It's his problem he has no property.

Use onyx hunt maps n see if it's on your land or theirs. If it's yours cut tree down for firewood. The maps aren't free but offer a free 3 day trail so if you're not sure use them n see who's land it's on. Put a trail cam up high n hidden n see if he enters  your land to remove plywood than prosecute him

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[growalot]

BTW..experience speaking here..if you allow your buddy to hunt..you need to get him straight on what you are doing with the neighbor. Camp had a guy that got into it  with one neighbors hunter every year. We didn't find out until the damage was done and lost retrieval rights...then found out about trespassing,swearing ,threats..also his kids thought they owned the place when we weren't there and yet another neighbor called.That ended the relationship and it took years to undue what had been done.

[Bowguy 1]

Another option is to get a quad ride all over his front lawn. If he can use your property, thsn use his. 

Retreival rights are good but a well shot deer w a rifle is typically anchored. Shot well w bow they go w fixed blades maybe 100 yards. Stay off his line a little n screw him. 

Id take no steps back if he can't respect your wishes about what happens to land you bought n pay taxes for. The meek get bullied. If you want to buy land for someone else to hunt, there's plenty of places where I live Id love to hunt for you.

sounds stupid right? You didn't buy the land for anyone but yourself. Act like you own it

 

[jjb4900]

53 minutes ago, growalot said:

A couple of big factors....age of neighbor and if you surround his 5 acre to the road frontage does he have  a home or camp? I ask because that could impede your hunting much of your own land for gun season. As for age,well older people are on the road to two things...a move or death. First option to buy in the future can be a stress reliever. If young then you could inadvertently end up in a long hissing match,as it were. Too late now but I'm a firm believer in never signing until meeting the neighbors.

we had a guy buy next to us after we had already been there for a while, absolute ahole.....it's pretty unpleasant at times because he is just smart enough to keep things annoying enough to us but doesn't break any laws in the process......the property is an absolute dump and we never even thought of buying it when it went up for sale.....oh well.

[Paula]

9 minutes ago, Bowguy 1 said:

Another option is to get a quad ride all over his front lawn. If he can use your property, thsn use his. 

Retreival rights are good but a well shot deer w a rifle is typically anchored. Shot well w bow they go w fixed blades maybe 100 yards. Stay off his line a little n screw him. 

Id take no steps back if he can't respect your wishes about what happens to land you bought n pay taxes for. The meek get bullied. If you want to buy land for someone else to hunt, there's plenty of places where I live Id love to hunt for you.

sounds stupid right? You didn't buy the land for anyone but yourself. Act like you own it

 

Are you a bit cranky this morning. Lol

[G-Man]

1st find out who's it is. 2nd if it's neighbors meet them,they may be a nice guy/ girl who can watch your place, cut lawn for you in exchange for him hunting said stand ( helpful if your an absentee land owner) give them a trial year.. heck they may have a chainsaw or be a mechanic who fixes your truk when it won't start and you want to go home after a week of hunting amd it's a sunday. 

To many harsh people out there a friendly introduction and extending your hand is the best approach, you may make an agreement that your out on the weekend to hunt and he can't but he can hunt during the week. (I had that agreement with a neighbor when I 1st bought my land, he has since passed but he had become a great friend and let a haND planting and maintenance on trails and plowing driveway in winter, his and is wife's ashes are spread where he use to hunt on my land)

You can take a friendly approach and possibly meet a person who has contacts that may be useful esp if they are year round residents. Or they just may end up being jerks and you cut tree down with stand in it..

[First-light]

Take the high road and find out who the guy is and get to know him. How many acres do you own? He has every right to have that stand on his property but shooting into your property is a no no without permission. I would try to get to know him then work around the area. You don't even know the frequency of use of the stand. good luck hope it works out.

[Uncle Nicky]

I'd let it go, at least for now. It's not about being weak or meek, it's about being the better person. It would probably be a good idea to introduce yourself to the neighbor, and try to get an idea where he's coming from, and assess his character. Being on good terms with the guy might be a big advantage to you, especially if you don't live in the area. I have neighbors that I let hunt on my property, provided I'm not hunting there that day, and they give me the same respect regarding their land. It's just deer hunting, not life & death issues.

I also have a neighbor that takes the hard-nose approach, it's hurt him at least once that I know of, since he's made it very clear nobody is allowed to cross onto his land. He called me asking for permission to look for a deer that ran on my place, I asked him if he was now giving me permission to go onto his property; he wouldn't say yes, so I told him to pound sand.  

[Chef]

1st find out who's it is. 2nd if it's neighbors meet them,they may be a nice guy/ girl who can watch your place, cut lawn for you in exchange for him hunting said stand ( helpful if your an absentee land owner) give them a trial year.. heck they may have a chainsaw or be a mechanic who fixes your truk when it won't start and you want to go home after a week of hunting amd it's a sunday. 

To many harsh people out there a friendly introduction and extending your hand is the best approach, you may make an agreement that your out on the weekend to hunt and he can't but he can hunt during the week. (I had that agreement with a neighbor when I 1st bought my land, he has since passed but he had become a great friend and let a haND planting and maintenance on trails and plowing driveway in winter, his and is wife's ashes are spread where he use to hunt on my land)

You can take a friendly approach and possibly meet a person who has contacts that may be useful esp if they are year round residents. Or they just may end up being jerks and you cut tree down with stand in it..

That is one thing for sure, I will be having at least one or two friendly conversations with him... Probably won't even bring up the stand the first time we speak... If I do it won't be right away.. I truly only have 25 acers and there is some town land that touches my places as well... The big problem is that this stand really is in the perfect places it's at a saddle in a ridge Line that catches all deer movement due to a funnel. Let's also be clear that even if the stand is on his land he would have max 5 feet to shoot on his own property... Any way I will try my best to make him a friend and not a enemy


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[nyslowhand]

Good approach! If he/she has 1/2 a brain they'll bring up the stand on the PL themselves. If they don't, then I'd begin to suspect something is amiss.

[jjb4900]

start by"picking his brain" about the deer hunting......tell him you've been scouting the property and casually bring up the area without even mentioning the stand, maybe he'll be the one to touch on the subject......who knows, he may be just as eager to meet you to ask for permission to hunt your land so it'll be an easy conversation.

[stoneam2006]

I also think you should get to know him first. Take a 6 pack and go shoot the sh_/= for a bit see what he is what he does. Who knows maybe as said above he can be useful in some way. Maybe he's the building inspector or a judge or something better to try and figure him out before you go and make him hate you. And if he's a a hole then just stop him from hunting it. But better to try and make friends first

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[Buckmaster7600]

Only having 25 acres there is a zero% chance I would be letting him shoot a deer on my property! How I was to get to that point from where you are now would depend on his actions when you meet him.


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[Chef]

Only having 25 acres there is a zero% chance I would be letting him shoot a deer on my property! How I was to get to that point from where you are now would depend on his actions when you meet him.


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Agreed, but like everyone said I don't want to make a enemy either...... But if I have to I would totally build I nice plywood wall on my side to block his view


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[Buckmaster7600]

Agreed, but like everyone said I don't want to make a enemy either...... But if I have to I would totally build I nice plywood wall on my side to block his view


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I don't consider you telling someone not to hunt your land being an Ahole. In the service we used to have a saying "tact" is the ability to tell someone to go to hell and have them enjoy the trip." It's all about how you tell him not to shoot onto your property.


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[Buckmaster7600]

I have talked about it before I have a stand that is 3 foot from my neighbors stand that I sit in every opening day of southern zone. It's not in a spot that I would ever hunt but it keeps him honest. I actually kind of enjoy it now he's an old curmudgeon but brings me snacks and I always have something for him. He will shoot the first buck he sees and I'll help him drag it to his truck. This all started when I watched him shoot one out of my field opening morning so I was pissed and hung my stand in the next tree over and he was pissed but he hasn't shot anything on me since and now it's something we look forward to.


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