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New York State hunting and trapping licenses and Deer Management Permits (DMPs) for the 2017-18 license year go on sale Tuesday.

Licenses can be obtained from a number of retail locations and town clerk’s offices in our area, but don’t forget that’s not the only way to get a hunting license in NY. Based on past experience, if there’s a computer glitch or problem printing your hard copy, Valeron license, it’s likely to happen on the first day licenses go on sale.

If you don’t have the time or patience to wait in line, it’s easy to avoid the potential delays associated with buying a license “in-person”.

Licenses are available online at DEC’s website (www.dec.ny.gov) or by phone at 1-866-933-2257. While you can buy a hunting license online 24/7, the hours for purchasing by telephone are 8:30 a.m. to 7 p.m. Monday to Friday and 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. on Saturdays.

Once you purchase your hunting license remotely, DEC will mail you your tags and license. If you have a lifetime license, you may have received your tags already and if not, look out for them in the mail any day now.

If you are not “online,” or just enjoy the tradition of going to your local sporting goods store to get your tags, I would wait a few days until any potential bugs in the system are worked out and licenses are being spit out cleanly without any problems.

What About DMPs?

DMPs, still commonly referred to by way of misnomer as “doe permits,” also go on sale on Aug. 1. So, if you apply for a DMP early before they are all gone, are your chances of getting one are that much better, right? DEC says not so fast.

They insist the odds of getting a DMP remain the same on the first day they are available as the last day (which happens to be Oct. 1). I’m told the computer metric used to calculate issuance of DMPs is such that it maintains the same odds of success throughout the issuing period.

Speaking of the odds of getting a DMP, the number of DMPs in our area has increased in most Wildlife Management Units (WMUs) and remained stable in others. That general forecast is echoed statewide, but there are exceptions in some areas.

Visit www.dec.ny.gov to view a chart showing 2017 DMP issuance numbers statewide.

 

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That might not be true for all units...8X is managaged "close to the cuff " as it were. They have a set projective and alot just so many tags to meet those objectives. If more hunters apply than there are tags, by the last day your chances would have to be lower.

This oposed to 8 X where the tags are nearly unlimited, even in the second round on Nov. 1

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There's no advantage to getting your license the first day available versus the last day  FYI   Dmp's are simply random.

Might just be in my head but I'm sticking with my plan as I have gotten 2 DMP's the last 4 years doing it that way. Then again there are too many in my zone and I never fill both so it doesn't really matter either way. Lol.


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Hunting Licenses are now available for the 2017-18 seasons.

2017 Regular Season Deer TagLicenses and permits can be purchased at any one of DEC's license-issuing agents, by telephone (866-933-2257) or online. Hunting and trapping licenses are valid for one year beginning September 1, 2017.

New this year, we are requesting that hunters provide an email address when purchasing their licenses, so that we will have an efficient means to notify hunters of additional hunting or trapping opportunities, impending legislation or regulation changes, and license renewal reminders. We also hope to use email addresses to request feedback and conduct surveys of hunters and trappers about wildlife management programs. All customer information is privacy protected and emails will only be used by DEC for program-related information.

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DMP Availability and Probability of Selection

DMP Application Deadline is October 1

2017 Deer Management Permits

DMP Selection Probabilities Remain the Same through the Entire Application Period.

See Wildlife Management Units for WMU boundary descriptions.

WMU Area (mi2) DMP Target Target DMPs
per mi2 		Average DMP
Success 		Chances of DMP Selection
Residents Non-Residents
1st DMP 2nd DMP 1st DMP 2nd DMP
1C 903.3 Max. with Bonus DMPs   12.8% HIGH HIGH HIGH HIGH
3A 694.3 0 0.0   NONE NONE NONE NONE
3C 316.1 2,000 6.3 13.9% MED NONE NONE NONE
3F 331.7 6,000 18.1 10.1% HIGH MED HIGH NONE
3G 457.1 2,300 5.0 12.3% LOW NONE NONE NONE
3H 554.1 1,500 2.7 23.6% PP REQ NONE NONE NONE
3J 355.6 5,200 14.6 13.3% HIGH PP REQ HIGH NONE
3K 381 550 1.4 16.2% PP REQ NONE NONE NONE
3M 749.2 35,900 47.9 10.9% HIGH HIGH HIGH HIGH
3N 222.8 2,800 12.6 8.7% HIGH PP REQ HIGH NONE
3P 125.1 700 5.6 6.5% LOW NONE NONE NONE
3R 206.1 2,300 11.2 7.2% HIGH HIGH HIGH HIGH
3S 430.8 Max. with Bonus DMPs   9.8% HIGH HIGH HIGH HIGH
4A 430.1 2,700 6.3 24.6% MED NONE NONE NONE
4B 161.5 2,900 18.0 11.7% HIGH MED HIGH NONE
4C 164.8 1,400 8.5 23.2% MED NONE NONE NONE
4F 1,161 15,700 13.5 21.4% HIGH PP REQ HIGH NONE
4G 370.5 2,100 5.7 22.6% PP REQ NONE NONE NONE
4H 289.8 1,300 4.5 23.9% PP REQ NONE NONE NONE
4J 148.9 Max. with Bonus DMPs   9.3% HIGH HIGH HIGH HIGH
4K 255.9 1,500 5.9 20.5% MED NONE NONE NONE
4L 220.8 200 0.9   PP REQ NONE NONE NONE
4O 760.5 1,800 2.4 31.9% PP REQ NONE NONE NONE
4P 361.4 1,400 3.9 24.5% PP REQ NONE NONE NONE
4R 290.2 1,300 4.5 19.1% PP REQ NONE NONE NONE
4S 220 800 3.6 26.5% PP REQ NONE NONE NONE
4T 131.8 4,500 34.1 11.6% HIGH MED HIGH NONE
4U 127 225 1.8 22.9% PP REQ NONE NONE NONE
4W 443.2 900 2.0 22.4% PP REQ NONE NONE NONE
4Y 176.5 2,900 16.4 14.2% HIGH PP REQ HIGH NONE
4Z 250.7 800 3.2 23.0% MED NONE NONE NONE
5A 609.8 NA NA   NA NA NA NA
5C 1125.7 NA NA   NA NA NA NA
5F 1328.3 NA NA   NA NA NA NA
5G 1112.6 NA NA   NA NA NA NA
5H 3046.5 NA NA   NA NA NA NA
5J 674.3 NA NA   NA NA NA NA
5R 373 10,600 28.4 10.1% HIGH MED HIGH NONE
5S 421.9 1,700 4.0 26.4% PP REQ NONE NONE NONE
5T 223.4 0 0.0   NONE NONE NONE NONE
6A 1471.7 0 0.0   NONE NONE NONE NONE
6C 976.7 1,100 1.1 21.1% LO/DV NONE NONE NONE
6F 1213 NA NA   NA NA NA NA
6G 933.2 16,200 17.4 17.0% HIGH MED HIGH NONE
6H 172.6 700 4.1 12.6% MED NONE NONE NONE
6J 1576.3 NA NA   NA NA NA NA
6K 1161.2 5,500 4.7 22.3% LOW NONE NONE NONE
6N 491.4 NA NA   NA NA NA NA
6P 203 5,800 28.6 9.2% HIGH HIGH HIGH NONE
6R 541.8 6,600 12.2 15.1% HIGH LOW HIGH NONE
6S 589.1 6,600 11.2 20.0% HIGH LOW HIGH NONE
7A 544.9 7,200 13.2 16.2% HIGH HIGH HIGH NONE
7F 687.2 25,800 37.5 8.5% HIGH HIGH HIGH HIGH
7H 357.2 9,300 26.0 10.0% HIGH HIGH HIGH HIGH
7J 838.9 31,300 37.3 11.0% HIGH HIGH HIGH HIGH
7M 1242.3 19,800 15.9 16.6% HIGH LOW HIGH NONE
7P 484.8 2,700 5.6 18.0% LOW NONE NONE NONE
7R 739.3 26,700 36.1 9.8% HIGH HIGH HIGH NONE
7S 662.7 11,300 17.1 13.2% HIGH LOW HIGH NONE
8A 419 17,000 40.6 11.9% HIGH HIGH HIGH HIGH
8C 138.1 Max. with Bonus DMPs   20.1% HIGH HIGH HIGH HIGH
8F 733 33,500 45.7 13.7% HIGH HIGH HIGH HIGH
8G 686.2 38,500 56.1 13.0% HIGH HIGH HIGH HIGH
8H 574 27,200 47.4 17.9% HIGH HIGH HIGH HIGH
8J 711.9 17,900 25.1 13.6% HIGH HIGH HIGH HIGH
8M 307.4 7,700 25.0 19.6% HIGH HIGH HIGH NONE
8N 314.3 30,300 96.4 10.7% HIGH HIGH HIGH HIGH
8P 356.2 2,400 6.7 16.5% PP REQ NONE NONE NONE
8R 270 18,100 67.0 15.2% HIGH HIGH HIGH HIGH
8S 256.2 3,700 14.4 17.2% HIGH MED HIGH NONE
8T 385.2 1,400 3.6 26.2% PP REQ NONE NONE NONE
8W 439.5 2,300 5.2 16.3% PP REQ NONE NONE NONE
8X 400.5 8,400 21.0 16.4% HIGH PP REQ HIGH NONE
8Y 354.2 5,500 15.5 15.4% HIGH PP REQ HIGH NONE
9A 461.6 26,000 56.3 6.8% HIGH HIGH HIGH HIGH
9F 277 15,900 57.4 8.2% HIGH HIGH HIGH HIGH
9G 229.9 8,100 35.2 10.7% HIGH HIGH HIGH HIGH
9H 973.1 28,100 28.9 16.0% HIGH HIGH HIGH NONE
9J 693.6 17,000 24.5 17.0% HIGH MED HIGH NONE
9K 446.4 5,200 11.6 22.0% HIGH NONE NONE NONE
9M 329.7 7,200 21.8 15.5% HIGH NONE HIGH NONE
9N 207.1 5,400 26.1 14.5% HIGH PP REQ HIGH NONE
9P 581.5 1,800 3.1 26.5% PP REQ NONE NONE NONE
9R 217.6 200 0.9 15.7% LO/DV NONE NONE NONE
9S 91.5 225 2.5 11.1% PP REQ NONE NONE NONE
9T 248.4 300 1.2 18.1% LO/DV NONE NONE NONE
9W 250.1 2,600 10.4 16.4% LOW NONE NONE NONE
9X 219.1 300 1.4 25.5% LO/DV NONE NONE NONE
9Y 124.8 2,500 20.0 13.7% HIGH NONE NONE NONE

Statewide Total: 625,300 excluding units without DMP targets.

High = more than 2/3 of applicants receive a DMP.
Medium = between 1/3 & 2/3 receive a DMP.
Low = less than 1/3 of applicants will receive a DMP.
PP Req = only applicants with preference points have a chance of receiving a DMP. May require 1, 2, or 3 preference points to be selected.
LO/DV = only qualifying landowners (greater than 50 acres) and veterans with disabilities will receive a DMP.
None = No DMPs are available.
NA = DEC is not authorized to issue DMPs in these units.

Notes:

  • WMU 1C is bowhunting-only from October - December. A special permit is Required during the January Firearms Season.
  • WMUs 3S, 4J, and 8C are bowhunting-only during all deer seasons.
  • Antlerless-only Bonus DMPs are available in WMUs 1C, 3S, 4J, and 8C for hunters who fill a DMP in these units.
  • Preference points increase the chances of selection but do not guarantee issuance. Preference points are won and lost on the 1st DMP selection. If preference points are required on the 2nd permit, only applicants who were denied a 1st permit are eligible.
  • Qualifying landowners and veterans with disabilities will receive their 1st choice DMP in all open WMUs.

To learn how DMP quotas and probabilities are determined, see Understanding DMPs: Quota Setting and Permit Selection.

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Picked up mine today, got my first choice 7F but denied on 7M.  Not sure if this happened to anyone else, but the lady doing mine at Bass Pro said my number brought up some other guy by the name Michael Greene... Obviously not me.  Didn't even live within 100 miles of Syracuse.  I looked at her screen to make sure she put the correct number in and it was correct.  Very odd.

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Picked up mine today, got my first choice 7F but denied on 7M.  Not sure if this happened to anyone else, but the lady doing mine at Bass Pro said my number brought up some other guy by the name Michael Greene... Obviously not me.  Didn't even live within 100 miles of Syracuse.  I looked at her screen to make sure she put the correct number in and it was correct.  Very odd.


You shouldn't have put in your choices in that order. 7F is always high first and second and usually leftovers on Nov. 1st. First choice 7M was HIGH, second was MED. You'd have probably gotten both if you reversed the order.

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You shouldn't have put in your choices in that order. 7F is always high first and second and usually leftovers on Nov. 1st. First choice 7M was HIGH, second was MED. You'd have probably gotten both if you reversed the order.

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I did exactly that and did receive both.  The Salina Town Clerk told me to do it that way a couple of years ago and it has worked each time.

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You shouldn't have put in your choices in that order. 7F is always high first and second and usually leftovers on Nov. 1st. First choice 7M was HIGH, second was MED. You'd have probably gotten both if you reversed the order.

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That is misunderstanding on my part.  I thought the 2nd column meant if you tried to get a second of the same DMP area.  Live and learn... I won't make that mistake again.

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Maybe not for 7M, but just before the season starts the Dec releases more doe permits as needed.  Not a bad idea to check in just before opener.  

Some guys will trade permits for zones too.  Post it here.  You never know!

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Here's a question for the Westchester (3S) guys who also hunt outside of Westchester:

If you shoot a buck in 3S early in October, which tag do You use?

If You use either sex then Your done buck hunting till gun season in say 3N, but if You use Reg Season tag, Then your done for gun season but could still hunt 3N during xbow.

I'm trying to think about the best way to handle this if it comes into play.....


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