What is acceptable accuracy?

[grampy]

6 minutes ago, Biz-R-OWorld said:

All hand me downs. All our weatherby's are the old German-made weatherby's. My late grandfather didn't have much $, but what $ he had he put into his rifles. They were handed down to my dad, who of course, lets me use them. I technically don't own a shotgun or rifle. I just use whatever my Dad has. When we go out west, I shoot the 7MM WBY Mag, my Dad shoots the .270 WBY Mag. Deer season in NY, we both identical browning bps pump shotguns (again hand me downs).

That's pretty cool Biz. Using a gun your grandfather used. Someday, your son or daughter, will be using the same gun. Your grandfather would be pleased I'm sure. That's why he bought quality, that was built to last. 

[WNYBuckHunter]

1 hour ago, chrisw said:

 

It works in reverse of fish stories, stories of fish grow, groups shrink yada yada. I have one rifle that print under an inch at 200, .77" to be exact, (Remington 700 VS 26" heavy bbl, Nikon Monarch 5-20x44) was my best group. But it's not practical accuracy as far as hunting is concerned, unless I'm hauling a shooting bench and vice to my treestand. Keyboard snipers are popular, actual snipers are few and far between. It's no different than the umpteen stories you'll see or hear about (some on here) in the next two months, I hit that deer perfect but we never found it, well I'm here to tell ya sonny, you didn't hit it perfect. Want me to be impressed? Shoot a 1" group offhand at 100 yds.

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Yep. The R700 223 with a 26" heavy barrel I had used to shoot sub moa off of a bench all day long (I say all day long because of how long the barrel had to cool between shots to do it). My buddy and I spent a lot of time at the range taking out golf ball sized chunks of clay pigeons, etc with our bench guns at 200 yards. I won't say how many times I was off by a bit at those ranges in an off bench hunting situation though. I also hated carrying that gun due to weight and the damn thing being so long. 

One of these days I'll play around and dial in my R700 VTR 308, but for now I can put 3 rounds well within a softball at 100 and a pie plate at 200 with a rest, which is fine for hunting. I don't really feel the need to try and dial it in as a bench gun. 

[moog5050]

No one ever mentions the size of the pie plate either.  I like big pie plates and extra pie.  I guess I get better hunting accuracy/range as a result.  Never knew overeating helped my hunting.  Woo Hoo.

[Nomad]

Ha ha ha !

I am happy with 3 inch groups at the poi . I can live with an occasional 4 .

I have killed deer with an arrow most years ,and some years a few since ,'89 .

My farthest shot and that was once was 25 yards . I do practice a bit at 30 and sometimes 40 , although not yet this year .

[steve863]

Here's a nice sized plate we can fill up with custard pie for all the big boys, oops I mean fellas with big appetites here on the forum.  Guaranteed to give you 1/2 inch groups at 1200 yards!!

 

 

[moog5050]

5 minutes ago, steve863 said:

Here's a nice sized plate we can fill up with custard pie for all the big boys, oops I mean fellas with big appetites here on the forum.  Guaranteed to give you 1/2 inch groups at 1200 yards!!

 

 

Where did you find my plate?  Been looking all over for it.

[steve863]

8 minutes ago, moog5050 said:

Where did you find my plate?  Been looking all over for it.

I'm assuming you'll be planting a food plot in it?   And that would be for the deer, right??

[Nomad]

Here's that plate next to a hide from one of my bucks .

[steve863]

14 minutes ago, moog5050 said:

Where did you find my plate?  Been looking all over for it.

Oh, and that's what I use to sight in my gun.  If I can get 2 out of 10 shots into it at 25 yards I am ready to go huntin'!!

 

 

Edited September 13, 2017 by steve863

[Buckmaster7600]

1" group at 250yds with leadsled rest can be done by anyone with a decent gun.


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Sorry to burst any bubbles but you're wrong. Leadsled or not very few factory rifles are mechanically able to shoot .4moa consistently.

I'll tell you marksman this, the sniper rifles I used in the marine corps had to be honest 2 Moa guns with match ammo.

1 Moa is the factory standard although many factory guns fail to do this consistently. I have shot 1/2" groups at 100 yds with a few of my rifles and I shoot way more than most but I would not consider any of my rifle .5 Moa guns, there is a big difference!


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[Culvercreek hunt club]

26 minutes ago, Buckmaster7600 said:

Sorry to burst any bubbles but you're wrong. Leadsled or not very few factory rifles are mechanically able to shoot .4moa consistently.

I'll tell you marksman this, the sniper rifles I used in the marine corps had to be honest 2 Moa guns with match ammo.

1 Moa is the factory standard although many factory guns fail to do this consistently. I have shot 1/2" groups at 100 yds with a few of my rifles and I shoot way more than most but I would not consider any of my rifle .5 Moa guns, there is a big difference!


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Come on. It's very easy to do. You just need to order the rifle with the 299' barrel...lol

[moog5050]

37 minutes ago, steve863 said:

I'm assuming you'll be planting a food plot in it?   And that would be for the deer, right??

Heck no.  Cherry Pie - and that is big enough for two nights' worth of dessert for ME.  You should see the size of our oven.

[BizCT]

29 minutes ago, Buckmaster7600 said:

Sorry to burst any bubbles but you're wrong. Leadsled or not very few factory rifles are mechanically able to shoot .4moa consistently.

I'll tell you marksman this, the sniper rifles I used in the marine corps had to be honest 2 Moa guns with match ammo.

1 Moa is the factory standard although many factory guns fail to do this consistently. I have shot 1/2" groups at 100 yds with a few of my rifles and I shoot way more than most but I would not consider any of my rifle .5 Moa guns, there is a big difference!


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I guess try a weatherby, with hand-loads, luepold scope, strapped down to a very sturdy leadsled?

[Lawdwaz]

9 minutes ago, Biz-R-OWorld said:

I guess try a weatherby, with hand-loads, luepold scope, strapped down to a very sturdy leadsled?

You really need to stop posting on this subject.........trust me. 

[BizCT]

You really need to stop posting on this subject.........trust me. 

Maybe I just always get lucky. But those shots are almost always touching at 200yds. I'll take a pic in a few years when I shoot again


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[Buckmaster7600]

I guess try a weatherby, with hand-loads, luepold scope, strapped down to a very sturdy leadsled?

I have a 270 wby that I took on trade that is going I already offloaded and will be picked up tomorrow. It shot plenty good enough to kill critters as far as I will shoot at them but .4moa it weren't!

Ignorance is bliss biz, when you start measuring your rifle shots by the 10's if not hundreds of thousands you may start to have a clue what you're talking about.

You either are very lucky or you measure groups like wolk ages deer.

I will put my Money where my mouth is and tell you that any of your "dads" weatherby's will not shoot back to back 1" groups at 250yds.


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[BizCT]

I have a 270 wby that I took on trade that is going I already offloaded and will be picked up tomorrow. It shot plenty good enough to kill critters as far as I will shoot at them but .4moa it weren't!

Ignorance is bliss biz, when you start measuring your rifle shots by the 10's if not hundreds of thousands you may start to have a clue what you're talking about.

You either are very lucky or you measure groups like wolk ages deer.

I will put my Money where my mouth is and tell you that any of your "dads" weatherby's will not shoot back to back 1" groups at 250yds.

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I never said back to back. I'm saying that 2 are usually touching or very close out of a vice at 200yds.

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[ATbuckhunter]

It depends on how much ive been practicing through out the year, but pie plate is the absolute minimum. Normally 2" at any range is what i look at, but I've pushed it to 4" for extended ranges with a bow (for me that's 30-40 yards). Maybe now that im shooting more often I can shrink those groups down. 

[Buckmaster7600]

I never said back to back. I'm saying that 2 are usually touching or very close out of a vice at 200yds.

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You literally said anyone with a decent rifle and a leadsled can shoot a 1" group at 200yds then said your wby's do it. What I'm telling you is you're wrong.

Very very very few rifles are mechanically capable of .5moa that's locked in a vise with a pull string or electric trigger. If you can consistently get better than mechanical Moa good on ya but you're the minority.

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[Marion]

I guess try a weatherby, with hand-loads, luepold scope, strapped down to a very sturdy leadsled?

Blah go swarovski or razor hd. I have perfect grouping with my .300wby mag and handloads. If I had to bet I would say damn near under 2 inches at 500 yards if not less

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[BizCT]

You literally said anyone with a decent rifle and a leadsled can shoot a 1" group at 200yds then said your why's do it. What I'm telling you is you're wrong.

Very very very few rifles are mechanically capable of .5moa that's locked in a vise with a pull string or electric trigger. If you can consistently get better than mechanical Moa good on ya but you're the minority.


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Ok. I'm no gun guru, I just didn't think it was that hard. Guess I'm wrong.


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[Lawdwaz]

5 minutes ago, The Jerkman said:

If I had to bet I would say damn near under 2 inches at 500 yards if not less

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There ya go!

 

Edited September 13, 2017 by Lawdwaz

[Culvercreek hunt club]

8 minutes ago, Buckmaster7600 said:

You literally said anyone with a decent rifle and a leadsled can shoot a 1" group at 200yds then said your why's do it. What I'm telling you is you're wrong.

 

he actually said 1" at 250

[Buckmaster7600]

he actually said 1" at 250

Oh yea, even better!


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[BizCT]

Back to the real thread of bow hunting. I would say whatever distance you can keep groups within 4-5" groups, whether that's 10 yards or 100yards.

However, I found this interesting- certain parks in Westchester (3S) allow bowhunting if you pass a "profiency test'. That test is defined as follows:

applicants must hit a 9-inch target at 25 yards in three out of five tries.

I've only been shooting a compound for about a month, but have never been off by 9" on a shot. If hitting a 9" target 3/5 tries is all you need, I would think I could get myself out to 60+ yards in a week or two.