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Five Seasons Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 seems like this is the same as my mathews compound. seems like it certainly belongs in the same season. oh wait... tech wasn't advancing on crossbows either right? that was always an unfounded fear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WNYBuckHunter Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Simple regulations keep things like this out of the season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter007 Posted March 18, 2019 Author Share Posted March 18, 2019 Bet that thing will become very popular in countrys with gun bans and restrictions . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasteddie Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Would prove to be handy during the Zombi Apocalypse ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cory Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 2 hours ago, fasteddie said: Would prove to be handy during the Zombi Apocalypse ! Or if you run into a flock of vampires! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomad Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 14 hours ago, Cory said: Or if you run into a flock of vampires! It’s so confusioning on what kills what, vampires,werewolves ,zombies . Silver bullets, wooden stakes I can never keep it straight ,throw in big foot I’m about ready to give up . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbHunterNY Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 you show me someone who needs and thinks they can get off multiple crossbow shots at a deer and i'll show you someone who needs a tracking dog and only some hopes n dreams of someday tagging a deer. doesn't change anything. i admit i haven't watched the video but that doesn't look like the hardest hitting setup either. more novelty than hunting implement. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Not to say "I told you so", but I remember writing here a couple of years ago how the crossbow has offered up to engineers a whole new platform to extend the technology advances into another whole realm of gun-like advantages to shove into bow season. No, it was not some proclamation of brilliance. Just a little unbiased thinking could see how this is going to go. It is yet another uncontrolled round of technological inventions that will make the compound look as primitive as the longbow. The genie is out of the bottle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter007 Posted March 19, 2019 Author Share Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, dbHunterNY said: you show me someone who needs and thinks they can get off multiple crossbow shots at a deer and i'll show you someone who needs a tracking dog and only some hopes n dreams of someday tagging a deer. doesn't change anything. i admit i haven't watched the video but that doesn't look like the hardest hitting setup either. more novelty than hunting implement. He Shot it in ballistic gel with 3 layers of cloth to simulate skin shirt and overcoat it went through all of it . Definitely another power to kill a deer . I agree there is no way you would get 2 shots off on a deer even with that thing , after the first shot deer will be gone . Maybe by pure luck u hit it on the run like hitting the lottery especially in the woods . I think the idea is to use it as a defensive weapon for someone who can't get a gun .Not as a hunting weapon . But I'm sure some hunters will want to use it that way for sure . Edited March 19, 2019 by Storm914 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 26 minutes ago, dbHunterNY said: you show me someone who needs and thinks they can get off multiple crossbow shots at a deer and i'll show you someone who needs a tracking dog and only some hopes n dreams of someday tagging a deer. doesn't change anything. i admit i haven't watched the video but that doesn't look like the hardest hitting setup either. more novelty than hunting implement. Yes, we can pooh-pooh his idea, but the penetration test was quite convincing, and the off-hand shooting was fairly impressive, and also bare in mind that this is version 1. And the accessory light and laser seems to lend itself to a form of silent jack-lighting for those people that are so inclined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter007 Posted March 19, 2019 Author Share Posted March 19, 2019 31 minutes ago, dbHunterNY said: you show me someone who needs and thinks they can get off multiple crossbow shots at a deer and i'll show you someone who needs a tracking dog and only some hopes n dreams of someday tagging a deer. doesn't change anything. i admit i haven't watched the video but that doesn't look like the hardest hitting setup either. more novelty than hunting implement. He Shot it in ballistic gel with 3 layers of cloth to simulate skin shirt and overcoat it went through all of it . Definitely another power to kill a deer . I agree there is know way you would get 2 shots off on a deer even with that thing , after the first shot deer will be gone . Maybe by pure luck u hit it on the run like hitting the lottery especially in the woods . I think the idea is to use it as a defensive weapon for someone who can't get a gun .Not as a hunting weapon . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Storm914 said: He Shot it in ballistic gel with 3 layers of cloth to simulate skin shirt and overcoat it went through all of it . Definitely another power to kill a deer . I agree there is no way you would get 2 shots off on a deer even with that thing , after the first shot deer will be gone . Maybe by pure luck u hit it on the run like hitting the lottery especially in the woods . I think the idea is to use it as a defensive weapon for someone who can't get a gun .Not as a hunting weapon . But I'm sure some hunters will want to use it that way for sure . I will note that I have seen a few occasions where a deer I shot with a 12 ga. went down an a few others just stood there looking around wondering what the hell just happened. Certainly enough time to use the repeating feature. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy K Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Very interesting, I was under the impression I couldn't hate crossbows any more then I already do and this video has proved me wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter007 Posted March 19, 2019 Author Share Posted March 19, 2019 Yes definitely this thing overtime will be improved to shoot faster hit harder and with more accuracy. Just like every other weapon idea has . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbHunterNY Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Storm914 said: He Shot it in ballistic gel with 3 layers of cloth to simulate skin shirt and overcoat it went through all of it . Definitely another power to kill a deer . I agree there is know way you would get 2 shots off on a deer even with that thing , after the first shot deer will be gone . Maybe by pure luck u hit it on the run like hitting the lottery especially in the woods . I think the idea is to use it as a defensive weapon for someone who can't get a gun .Not as a hunting weapon . i could possibly see the likely use as a defensive weapon versus big game hunting. that said there's a lot of semi-auto air rifles and pistols that do some serious damage too. cool idea but limited market for it i'd think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter007 Posted March 19, 2019 Author Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 minute ago, dbHunterNY said: i could possibly see the likely use as a defensive weapon versus big game hunting. that said there's a lot of semi-auto air rifles and pistols that do some serious damage too. cool idea but limited market for it i'd think. Not outside usa where firearms are highly restricted and expensive to get . That is why it's a European company that decided to use his idea overthere in EU Asia huge market for that thing. . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 minute ago, dbHunterNY said: i could possibly see the likely use as a defensive weapon versus big game hunting. that said there's a lot of semi-auto air rifles and pistols that do some serious damage too. cool idea but limited market for it i'd think. Now I think it is time for you to actually look at the video.....lol. So far, semi-auto air rifles and pistols are not a part of archery season. As far as I can see there is nothing illegal about this model of crossbow that makes it illegal for bow season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter007 Posted March 19, 2019 Author Share Posted March 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Doc said: I will note that I have seen a few occasions where a deer I shot with a 12 ga. went down an a few others just stood there looking around wondering what the hell just happened. Certainly enough time to use the repeating feature. Yes this is true it can happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Seasons Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 41 minutes ago, dbHunterNY said: you show me someone who needs and thinks they can get off multiple crossbow shots at a deer and i'll show you someone who needs a tracking dog and only some hopes n dreams of someday tagging a deer. doesn't change anything. i admit i haven't watched the video but that doesn't look like the hardest hitting setup either. more novelty than hunting implement. how is it any different from getting multiple gun shots at a deer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) This guy is not taking credit for the marketing of this crossbow, but he is the same guy that had a crude but working wooden prototype for a fully automatic crossbow. Things have just begun for crossbow technology and design. I said it long ago, and I'll say it again. The crossbow is simply another platform for a whole new series of technological advances that will put a whole new face on archery just as the compound did. It's just the next logical step. Edited March 19, 2019 by Doc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter007 Posted March 19, 2019 Author Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Belo said: how is it any different from getting multiple gun shots at a deer? A big one is Speed!! Makes probability of you getting a good shot off with a deer on the run much higher with a gun then a crossbow bolt . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbHunterNY Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Doc said: Now I think it is time for you to actually look at the video.....lol. So far, semi-auto air rifles and pistols are not a part of archery season. As far as I can see there is nothing illegal about this model of crossbow that makes it illegal for bow season. i just did. the intent of my comment was more headed in a direction of non-hunting use. storm had a good point that it might be a good alternative for someone who can have or use a gun. i don't think this will take off for a hunting application though. just maybe for small game but not for big game. the bolt size and fps is lethal but not near the terminal performance you're getting from what's on the market now. also you can't use broadheads and small game blunt heads of any size. my air gun comment was in relation to home protection that's not a traditional gun. i don't see anything illegal about it either for hunting, even for NY regs, i never said it was though. irrelevant anyways, because i wouldn't hunt with it compared to what's out there now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Seasons Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 a trained hunter could cock another bolt just as fast he could chamber another round in a bolt action rifle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbHunterNY Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, Belo said: how is it any different from getting multiple gun shots at a deer? think about the second shot opportunities you'd get with a gun and why they wouldn't be with a bow. a gun has more range and much less of an opening for a clear trajectory path if you're say in the woods compared to a crossbow. under a very limited number of circumstances will that second chance be within clear crossbow range. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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