Welfare

[Skillet]

Wisdom!

This was in the Waco Tribune Herald, Waco , TX Nov 18, 2010

Put me in charge . . .

Put me in charge of food stamps. I'd get rid of EBT cards; no more free

Ding Dongs or Ho Ho's, just money for 50-pound bags of rice and beans,

blocks of cheese and all the powdered milk you can haul away. If you want

steak and frozen pizza, then get a job.

Put me in charge of Medicaid. The first thing I'd do is to get women

Norplant birth control implants or tubal ligations. Then, we'll test

recipients for drugs, alcohol, and nicotine and document all tattoos and

piercings. If you want to reproduce or use drugs, alcohol, smoke or get

tats and piercings, then get a job.

Put me in charge of government housing. Ever live in a military barracks?

You will maintain our property in a clean and good state of repair. Your

"home" will be subject to inspections anytime and possessions will be

inventoried. If you want a plasma TV or Xbox 360, then get a job and your

own place.

In addition, you will either present a check stub from a job each week or

you will report to a "government" job. It may be cleaning the roadways of

trash, painting and repairing public housing, whatever we find for you. We

will sell your 22 inch rims and low profile tires and your blasting stereo

and speakers and put that money toward the "common good."

Before you write that I've violated someone's rights, realize that all of

the above is voluntary. If you want our money, accept our rules.. Before

you say that this would be "demeaning" and ruin their "self esteem,"

consider that it wasn't that long ago that taking someone else's money for

doing absolutely nothing was demeaning and lowered self esteem.

If we are expected to pay for other people's mistakes we should at least

attempt to make them learn from their bad choices. The current system

rewards them for continuing to make bad choices.

AND While you are on Gov't subsistence, you no longer can VOTE! Yes that is

correct. For you to vote would be a conflict of interest. You will

voluntarily remove yourself from voting while you are receiving a Gov't

welfare check. If you want to vote, then get a job.

[virgil]

I'd be the first to agree that there are serious problems with the welfare program. But, just for the record, aren't you one of the guys that complains about the government meddling in people's lives?

Advocating sterilization of the poor, mandatory drug testing, and depriving them of their right to vote seems a bit inconsistent with some of your other positions on this forum.

[jr.deerslayer]

Everyday on the way to college or work, I am greeted by passing the "projects" .....and everday for a few minutes i get furius from the trucks and cars pulling into the projects that make my F-150 look like a junker. Cadillacs and cars with 22 in rims seem to be their main form of transportion.

[nyantler]

I'd be the first to agree that there are serious problems with the welfare program. But, just for the record, aren't you one of the guys that complains about the government meddling in people's lives?

Advocating sterilization of the poor, mandatory drug testing, and depriving them of their right to vote seems a bit inconsistent with some of your other positions on this forum.

Not true... they are now under the employ of the public who is paying their salary so to speak.. as their employer we can impose rules and regulations.. this is not the government giving them money... the government has no money except what the people have given them... and there should be no free handouts... making recipients of public welfare money act responsibly to get that money is not infringing on their rights... its giving them a chance learn what it means to earn their living and become a part of society.. not leach off of society.

[virgil]

making recipients of public welfare money act responsibly to get that money is not infringing on their rights

I feel that there should be strict regulations regarding who qualifies for welfare and medicaid in order to prevent abuse. But, to say that sterilization and the loss of the right to vote is not an infringement on someone's rights is absurd- and hypocritical.

[pistolp71]

I love it! Makes sense to me, that would never become reality but it would be great if it did.

[virgil]

Also, your message seems a bit inconsitent with the photo attached to your profile.

[nyantler]

making recipients of public welfare money act responsibly to get that money is not infringing on their rights

I feel that there should be strict regulations regarding who qualifies for welfare and medicaid in order to prevent abuse. But, to say that sterilization and the loss of the right to vote is not an infringement on someone's rights is absurd- and hypocritical.

First of all.. not sterilization.. birth control.. they are two different things.. and the loss of right to vote would be temporary.. and given back when the recipient of public money is no longer depedent on public money...the concept is only absurd if the public says its absurd... and a small price to pay to someone providing you the means to survive that you have not been able to (or have refused to) provide yourself....

[nyantler]

Also, your message seems a bit inconsitent with the photo attached to your profile.

God helps those that help themselves... and that would be no different here...

[virgil]

First of all.. not sterilization.. birth control- Really?, look up the definition of tubal ligation.

God helps those that help themselves... and that would be no different here...

OK, fine. But, doesn't the bible contain a few verses about charity for the poor?

[virgil]

God helps those that help themselves... and that would be no different here...

And how does 'God' feel about birth control?

[Culvercreek hunt club]

But, to say that sterilization and the loss of the right to vote is not an infringement on someone's rights is absurd- and hypocritical.

I dont see who is taking anyones rights away. I sounded voluntary to me. If you don't feel yu want to do what is required for the program...don't take advantage of the program. It really is their choice then.

As far as charity, VIrgil. Charity is a great and wonderful thing and really should be practiced by everyone as much as possible. But the redistribution of wealth that takes place in the welfare system is NOT charity.

[HectorBuckBuster]

The cash back part of the card needs the be done away with. Was at the grocery store one day lady in front of me has some stuff on the belt gets rang up came to $20 and some change, she then ask for 2 packs of Newports, they get rang up total goes to $42 and change. Next thing I know she swipes a EBT card, total goes down to $22 and change. Cashier tells her the total after that, she says oh, use the cash back, so the EBT card is swiped again lady inputs a pin number and bam total goes to ZERO. Yep EBT card paying for smokes.

[ELMER J. FUDD]

I've been saying for years, If you don't pay taxes, you shouldn't vote. Conflict of interest there. Why should someone benefitting from my money have a say as to how much I should give? I know good people that need help and can't get it. Something needs to be adjusted w/ this.

[ELMER J. FUDD]

People used to come here for an opportunity to make a life for themselves. Now some come (or stay) for a free living. As stated on the Marine thread (it's all related). The breed (old school American work ethic) is being bred out of our population.

What are they going to do when the very people that keep this country going like this decide enough is enough? Kill us? Then who will foot the bill?

P.S. Can you dig it?

Edited January 13, 2012 by ELMER J. FUDD

[Early]

The mark of a great society...or of a great man...is a willingness to care for the less fortunate. I would hope that those of you who rail against welfare do likewise against the costly, illegal wars we are now engaged in...and against the absurd amount of foreign aid our govt. gives away. Do away with the stupid wars and cut back or eliminate entirely all foreign aid, and all Americans would live high on the hog.

[Elmo]

It just doesn't make sense to me that I'm busting my ass and can't seem to afford anything while every kid on welfare seem to have the new Air Jordan sneakers ($200), Beat by Dr. Dre headphones ($200), and an iPhone ($300). Where the heck did they get the money for that? Oh, because I bought it for them with my tax dollars, I guess that's why I can't afford them for myself.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

I would hope that those of you who rail against welfare do likewise against the costly, illegal wars we are now engaged in...and against the absurd amount of foreign aid our govt. gives away. Do away with the stupid wars and cut back or eliminate entirely all foreign aid, and all Americans would live high on the hog.

Illegal wars? Really? based on what?

I would also have to disagree with your last sentence. While the cost of the wars are significant they are not a perpetual program like Welfare is. look at you total bill not just on a Federal side. NY has a huge portion of their annual budget entrenched in give away programs.

I agree with the foreign aid cut back. I am also very surprised we havent tied up at the docks in Iraq and pumped the value of our expense over there in crude.

[Karpteach]

During Christmas, I went to BJ's to get some holidays things. The people in front of me were having trouble with the self check-out. I asked if I could help, they spoke very little English. They were buying King crab legs. They were using an EBT card!!!! I had a freeging coniption. They paid $156 for 5 packages of the crab legs and NOTHING else. My friend and I were speechless and angry!!! Fudge, I still am!

[HectorBuckBuster]

The Catholic Charities brings alot of NONE US Citizens to the US and sets them up with housing, and then gets them on Welfare and Food Stamps. So remember this when they ask for donations. Sorry we have alot of people that are US Citizens that need help first. We take better care of Illegal or people in other countries the out own US Citizens.

[WNYBuckHunter]

The mark of a great society...or of a great man...is a willingness to care for the less fortunate. I would hope that those of you who rail against welfare do likewise against the costly, illegal wars we are now engaged in...and against the absurd amount of foreign aid our govt. gives away. Do away with the stupid wars and cut back or eliminate entirely all foreign aid, and all Americans would live high on the hog.

Wars? Last I heard, we are engaged in 1 war currently, and how is it illegal? We are there because the Taliban aided Al Queda in attacking us on our soil. You Lib types really are funny. The only thing you got right as far as Im concerned is cut out the foreign aid.

[pistolp71]

They say Liberalism is a form of retardation. I believe it.

[nyantler]

The mark of a great society...or of a great man...is a willingness to care for the less fortunate. I would hope that those of you who rail against welfare do likewise against the costly, illegal wars we are now engaged in...and against the absurd amount of foreign aid our govt. gives away. Do away with the stupid wars and cut back or eliminate entirely all foreign aid, and all Americans would live high on the hog.

Everything you mentioned comes under the same blanket in my eyes.

[Skillet]

Virgil, I'm not taking your bait. Don't try to question my faith. Where in any book of the Bible does God show compassion for the LAZY? Shouldn't you be occupying NYC or something? I actually WORK for the state, and people on welfare can bring down more than me in a year, sitting on their fat, lazy asses.

[nyantler]

First of all.. not sterilization.. birth control- Really?, look up the definition of tubal ligation.

God helps those that help themselves... and that would be no different here...

OK, fine. But, doesn't the bible contain a few verses about charity for the poor?

We aren't talking charity for the poor here... the private sector has always done a wonderful job in giving to the poor... its the freelaoders we're talking about here... you act as if all welfare recipients are unable to work through some fault other than their own.. far from the truth... helping the lazy by letting our government decide who gets what.. does not work... I give to many charirties all through out the year and have for years... that is entirely different from government entitlement programs... not at all the same. If I have to pay for able body person to have the same health care, living arrangement, beer, cigarettes, etc. that I get... they better damn well be doing something to earn their keep...having more children to recieve more welfare is simply abuse of the system.

Charity and entitlements are not the same...