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Well covid has hit my family . Nephew  worked over year on covid unit as a nurse.  They moved him to work in the  ER. 3 months later he has the vid... a week down and back to work . A guy he went on a fishing trip with got the vid  and he spent a week in icu... he wasn't vaccinated  .Now my BIL has the vid....

BIL and Nephew were both vaccinated. 

Last week I stood at the passenger  side door of BIL  truck talking  for a half an hour. Hope he didn't name me as potential  contact.

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Well covid has hit my family . Nephew  worked over year on covid unit as a nurse.  They moved him to work in the  ER. 3 months later he has the vid... a week down and back to work . A guy he went on a fishing trip with got the vid  and he spent a week in icu... he wasn't vaccinated  .Now my BIL has the vid....
BIL and Nephew were both vaccinated. 
Last week I stood at the passenger  side door of BIL  truck talking  for a half an hour. Hope he didn't name me as potential  contact.

Glad to hear your nephew is ok hopefully your BIL will be too since he’s vaxed

If you’re vaxed and a close contact you won’t need to quarantine either


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I think the more important question would be how many fit the definition:
Who is considered a patriot?   a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion. a person who regards himself or herself as a defender, especially of individual rights, against presumed interference by the federal government. 

Id say a person thats not worried about being put on blast on social media and being fired from their job.


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A Stanford professor and prominent COVID policy critic is targeted for thoughtcrime.

Nate Jackson

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You can't say that.

That's the mantra of leftists everywhere these days, from Leftmedia "fact-checkers" to Big Tech censors to academia, and it's true of any number of taboo topics. Reminiscent of George Orwell's 1984, you can't deviate from The Party on race, election fraud, and especially the coronavirus.

The latter is the focus here, and specifically the efficacy of masks. More on that in a minute.

Last fall, prominent medical academics Dr. Martin Kulldorff (Harvard), Dr. Sunetra Gupta (Oxford), and Dr. Jay Bhattacharya (Stanford) teamed up to draft the Great Barrington Declaration. Its purpose was to rebut the groupthink about lockdowns and herd immunity. The gist of their argument was that locking down was ultimately a harmful policy because it delayed herd immunity rather than getting us to it faster and thus bringing an end to this cursed pandemic.

Yet because this has been deemed by The Party to be thoughtcrime, here we are nearly a year and multiple vaccines later, and people are still locking things down.

The other thing that's made a roaring comeback is masking mandates. Yet Stanford's Dr. Bhattacharya has continued the annoying habit of asking basic scientific questions about whether this policy works and makes sense. He concluded, specifically regarding masks in schools, "There is no high-quality evidence to support the assertion that masks stop the disease from spreading." And he's right, no matter what The Party says.

For that, he's being smeared at Stanford because he deviated from The Party. His peers are seeking not just to mask but to muzzle him. Stanford must "clarify for the faculty the limits of public pronouncements when proclaiming on public health policy," insists Professor Melissa Bondy, chair of the epidemiology department.

Bhattacharya's Barrington pal, Dr. Kulldorff, came to his defense. Kulldorff and coauthor Carl Heneghan, an Oxford epidemiologist, write, "To deserve trust, scientists must be honest about what is and what is not known, and we agree with Bhattacharya." They elaborate with pesky facts:

Randomized trials provide the best available research evidence to inform health-care decisions and are considered the gold standard for determining intervention effects. But no randomized studies have shown that masks in children are effective. Instead, there are observational studies of uneven quality that reach conflicting conclusions. ...

While adults differ from children, there have been two randomized COVID studies evaluating masks on adults. Based on the 95 percent confidence intervals, surgical mask wearers in Denmark were between 23 percent more likely and 46 percent less likely to be infected by COVID.

In a Bangladesh study, surgical masks reduced symptomatic COVID infections by between 0 and 22 percent, while the efficacy of cloth masks led to somewhere between an 11 percent increase to a 21 percent decrease. Hence, based on these randomized studies, adult masks appear to have either no or limited efficacy.

Don't trust this science or these academics? What about former Biden administration COVID adviser Michael Osterholm? He said last month, "We know today that many of the face cloth coverings that people wear are not very effective in reducing any of the virus movement in or out." That was about the same time the Biden administration decided it's a "civil right" to force kids to wear masks in school.

Before COVID was thoroughly politicized, the all-knowing Dr. Anthony Fauci said, "The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus." And, "There's no reason to be walking around with a mask."

As for Bhattacharya, he has already shown that he's willing to keep speaking inconvenient truths, but what will the effort to regulate speech at Stanford or other universities do for other faculty members? Is speaking out anyway worth a reprimand or job loss? The thought police do their jobs all too well.

In the meantime, millions of Americans — including those least at risk, school children — continue to be made to wear ineffective masks in various settings. This is despite the science on masking, despite the aggravation and educational hindrance of masking, and despite the fact that millions of Americans are bringing us closer to herd immunity through vaccination or that other unmentionable, natural immunity.

When will reason trump fear? Not anytime soon, so long as The Party controls the messaging.

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So, I figured I'd post this quickly before headed off to work on stands and blinds.

Heard lots of folks say doctors have no right to get frustrated with unvaccinated patients. After all, do they get frustrated with obese smokers?

The answer is yes, but the difference is that obese smokers are hurting themselves, while unvaccinated folks are contributing to the continued stream of patients, some of them in good heath otherwise who are now in a bad way with COVID.

Let me be clear that I am not advocating for vaccine mandates. I'm really just trying to interject a bit of perspective into the conversation. Doctors perceptions are skewed because they only see the worst outcomes. That having been said, it's tough to ignore what's right in front of you all day every day, and it's equally difficult not to feel frustration when you perceive others to be contributing to the chaos. Whether that's a valid perception or not is immaterial. After eighteen months of this, docs just want it to be over more so than anybody.

This is just one man's opinion, and my dad had a saying about opinions and arseholes...

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I think the more important question would be how many fit the definition:
Who is considered a patriot?   a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion. a person who regards himself or herself as a defender, especially of individual rights, against presumed interference by the federal government. 

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a person who vigorously supports their country and is prepared to defend it against enemies or detractors.


So the police that defended the capital on Jan 6 are patriots

The Trump lovers that stormed it would fit the definitely of enemies or detractors


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7 minutes ago, Chef said:

a person who vigorously supports their country and is prepared to defend it against enemies or detractors.

So the police that defended the capital on Jan 6 are patriots.

The Trump lovers that stormed it would fit the definitely of enemies or detractors

No, patriots always support their country, but they only support their government when it deserves it.  They will not support a government administration that is corrupt and not representing the people.  Patriots have always been willing to fight corruption and enemies of the Constitution.

person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion. a person who regards himself or herself as a defender, especially of individual rights, against presumed interference by the federal government. 

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No, patriots always support their country, but they only support their government when it deserves it.  They will not support a government administration that is corrupt and not representing the people.  Patriots have always been willing to fight corruption and enemies of the Constitution.

And what exactly on Jan 6 were they fighting for. Not liking the results of a election a d their right to have a temper tantrum


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An election full of fraud that was about to be officially certified.  We are about to have the results of many state audits come out.  Let's see what they say.  I'm betting the left will attack the auditors and try to discredit them and their findings as soon as the numbers show there was enough fraud to throw the election to Biden.

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And what exactly on Jan 6 were they fighting for. Not liking the results of a election a d their right to have a temper tantrum


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What's your take on Jan 6th when the guards opened that gates and waived people though?

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27 minutes ago, Grouse said:

I think we are getting off the vaccination subject here.  Isn't there another thread to discuss the Jan 6th protest?

Exactly, one of the many socialist diversion tactics.

Here's an article about Vaccine development for past Virus's that have plagued mankind. 

Vaccine history

I'd like to thank all of the patriotic human guinea pigs for their service in trying to find the "Cure" for C19.

I am doing my part in this vast experiment by being the unvaccinated with Anti bodies test guinea pig.

Also please respect the rights of the unvaccinated guinea pigs test subjects.

These tests cannot be conducted without multiple test subjects and I'm glad to see that everyone is doing their part in finding the cure. 

I will try to keep all of you vaccinated people safe until they come out with a viable vaccine, by wearing a mask and social distancing.

Just remember that there is no recourse against any entity with being a test individual, as big Pharma was granted full immunity.

Remember to get your free covid pass tattoo.

It's not just the cool thing to do, it's also a permanent reminder to show how much you care about humanity.

 

 

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I don't think such highly educated and professional experts would be considered idiots.  But people who like to vilify others and resort to name calling may be.

Your comment doesn't show any intelligent analysis about the question, just personal bias.

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The Buffalo Bills will require vaccine proof starting at their next home game , I’m wondering if any teams had that in place at their first game ? 
 

It’ll be interesting to see the lines and if any back ups , when MLB first used hand held metal detectors, some weren’t getting to their seats till the 5th inning .

Showing a card and picture Id for some guard to look at and compare names and faces seems like it’ll cause a delay X tens of thousands, oh and they like everyone are short staffed as well . 

 

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The Buffalo Bills will require vaccine proof starting at their next home game , I’m wondering if any teams had that in place at their first game ? 
 
It’ll be interesting to see the lines and if any back ups , when MLB first used hand held metal detectors, some weren’t getting to their seats till the 5th inning .
Showing a card and picture Id for some guard to look at and compare names and faces seems like it’ll cause a delay X tens of thousands, oh and they like everyone are short staffed as well . 
 

3 teams I believe had it in place before Bills. I’m guessing Erie County is highly vaccinated anyway so it shouldn’t be a big deal. We’ll see if the stadium looks less crowded?


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3 teams I believe had it in place before Bills. I’m guessing Erie County is highly vaccinated anyway so it shouldn’t be a big deal. We’ll see if the stadium looks less crowded?


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The Bill's are looking for a ton of free money ,they'll do what ever the state and county tells them to do.

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6 hours ago, knehrke said:

So, I figured I'd post this quickly before headed off to work on stands and blinds.

Heard lots of folks say doctors have no right to get frustrated with unvaccinated patients. After all, do they get frustrated with obese smokers?

The answer is yes, but the difference is that obese smokers are hurting themselves, while unvaccinated folks are contributing to the continued stream of patients, some of them in good heath otherwise who are now in a bad way with COVID.

Let me be clear that I am not advocating for vaccine mandates. I'm really just trying to interject a bit of perspective into the conversation. Doctors perceptions are skewed because they only see the worst outcomes. That having been said, it's tough to ignore what's right in front of you all day every day, and it's equally difficult not to feel frustration when you perceive others to be contributing to the chaos. Whether that's a valid perception or not is immaterial. After eighteen months of this, docs just want it to be over more so than anybody.

This is just one man's opinion, and my dad had a saying about opinions and arseholes...

I hear you , but if you follow the numbers, Heart disease is the largest cause of death in America and around the world.

Twice as many die yearly from heart disease, than all cancers combined.

Who's the most segment prone to heart disease, you guessed it, Overweight smokers !

Heart disease

"High blood pressure, high blood cholesterol, and smoking are key risk factors for heart disease. Several other medical conditions and lifestyle choices can also put people at a higher risk for heart disease, including: Diabetes. Overweight and obesity."

Covid is just a tool to control the masses.

 These caring souls that are preaching about covid, don't really care about you, because if they did, they would've put an end to a totally treatable disease that's been killing millions a year for decades.

What really scares me, is that if the Dems were willing to unleash covid in America to derail the 2020 election, what are they willing to do to keep that control ?

We complained about Cuomo sending covid positive patients to the nursing homes, killing thousands, yet have no issue with Biden sending Covid Positive illegals to major cities around the country ?

  

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I hear you , but if you follow the numbers, Heart disease is the largest cause of death in America and around the world.
Twice as many die yearly from heart disease, than all cancers combined.
Who's the most segment prone to heart disease, you guessed it, Overweight smokers !
Heart disease
"High blood pressure, high blood cholesterol, and smoking are key risk factors for heart disease. Several other medical conditions and lifestyle choices can also put people at a higher risk for heart disease, including: Diabetes. Overweight and obesity."
Covid is just a tool to control the masses.
 These caring souls that are preaching about covid, don't really care about you, because if they did, they would've put an end to a totally treatable disease that's been killing millions a year for decades.
What really scares me, is that if the Dems were willing to unleash covid in America to derail the 2020 election, what are they willing to do to keep that control ?
We complained about Cuomo sending covid positive patients to the nursing homes, killing thousands, yet have no issue with Biden sending Covid Positive illegals to major cities around the country ?
  

This comment is absolutely sick, if you truly believe that Americans Dem, Repulican what ever released covid on America you should go live in a hole somewhere.

I guess you think 9/11 was done by the cia so we could go to war too


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