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1 hour ago, Rowdy10 said:


You should know that cupcake is my idea for crossbow archery (cupcake archery )stolen by cross gun people they -like to to high jack things just like bow season -can't even come up with a name of their own for hated bow hunters
ILL REPEAT -CROSSBOW IS CUPCAKE ARCHERY


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What I think is funny is that you think of these things. 
 

I won’t repeat it because I think you heard it the first time.  

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Sometimes when I read something, I just have to chuckle a little. This is one of those times. I have been, and continue to be a bowhunter for almost 40 years. Did my mentality suddenly change, th

Done ,  I like my compound but have a couple of older hunters that cant draw bow back well anymore , miss having them in camp for whole archery season. Anything that let's them hunt more in better wea

This here, is my main issue with with the whole crossbow debate. One group of hunters calling another group of hunters "inferior" because they choose a different 'legal' hunting implement, or tool, to

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The problem with such a free for all, is that most deer quickly go full nocturnal once guns start going off.   It makes more sense to have an archery season first.   What I would like to see is open deer season for recurve and longbow on October 1, compounds and crossbows on October 15, and leave gun and ML as current.
That gives the true "traditionalists" a well deserved "jump start" but sticks it to the "cupcakes" (compound only users who oppose the crossbow).

I’m all for this but your dates are off!

Let’s keep the seasons exactly as they are now but put compounds in the xbow season so the wheel bow and Xbow hunters can still have the best 2 weeks.


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Why so serious??? Can't we all just, get along? Lol. I still haven't heard what the hell happened about the possible changes if any at all. Everyone crying about what they like or don't like, I think we have more serious issues happening in NY other than x bow season. We have thousands of illegal border jumpers headed our way because Cuomo is paying them to come here (with everyone leaving this shithole it makes sense). Cities all over NY will be a sanctuary cities. Imagine what hunting will be like with all of them.. I doubt they will care about what laws we have, they will probably just go whenever with whatever weapons of choice. Things could get alot worse than just someone using a crossbow during archery season. Haha. I only bring this up because I see it now with fishing especially but hunting as well. Dude was being my job in an apple orchard hunting deer with a x bow first week of archery. He got dragged out by DEC. Seen alot of this fishing keeping way over the limit. Lets hope this is not the case but who knows

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I’m probably one of the biggest crossbow advocates on here. My youngest sons friend is an assemblyman for New York and an avid hunter and was pushing for this or to turn it over to the dec witch it should be! But too many pockets are greased and they can use the Covid excuse to push this away again to keep getting paid. Someday it’ll happen I just hope I’m still living in this state to see it.

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9 hours ago, Rowdy10 said:


We love crossguns just not as archery because it's not-now that doesn't mean it won't be
Getting EDGY you people -only ones talking bullshit here are the ones spelling it out
You have 2 week season with a cross gun what else do you need -TAG SOUP MUST BE REAL THING OF FEAR


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Yeah making that statement to me shows your lack of knowledge. Crossbows with their own season and tag during bow won’t hurt you sweetheart. Unless you are afraid someone might kill your deer first. 

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Cross gun hunting is CUPCAKE ARCHERY
you all ready have 2 week season
Give it to elderly and disabled in all of archery season so they can have some help to compete with up in archery and get some deer
You people want everything -just give it to the ones that really need it and leave it alone -Stop crying and go hunt


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13 hours ago, SpacemanSpiff said:

So much whining. People use whats most efficient and convenient. Why not. Were all trying  to feed families and have fun. If you dont like it dont  do it. Pretty simple!!! Waaahhhhh waaaahhhhh 

see now you just shot yourself in your foot. The key driver behind the crossbow debate is that every hunter should be allowed to hunt how they want.

Yet here you are assuming that all hunters are out trying to feed their families. I bet there isn't a single hunter on this board who hunts because their family would starve without it. This isn't to say that many of us (myself included) aren't meat hunters, but gtfo with that "we're just trying to feed our families bs". Think about what some of these members invest in cams, leases and plots. It's to kill big bucks. period.

Now to your first point. If we're out here to use the most efficient and convenient weapon, why do we have an archery season? That NYBOWHUNTER is why I'm anti-crossbow. You said you didn't like that reason, but it's a reason none the less. Archery is meant to be a challenge. The crossbow steps over that line.

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14 hours ago, wolc123 said:

I think the main point that you are missing is that somewhere in NY, there is a 93 yr WW2 veteran who bow hunted for many years with a recurve, then a few more with a compound.   He would really like to get out again before the weather gets too cold, with his 14 year old great-granddaughter.  She has recently taken an interest in deer hunting.  Problem is, his old shoulders are just not up to it.  Weighing just 87 pounds, she also struggles a bit with a vertical bow.

The crossbow could let them spend some quality time in the outdoors.  A few, well-organized "selfish elitists" are holding them back.  You must be very proud of your achievements.  It looks like you got at least one more year when no "inferior" is going to get "your" buck before the cold weather and the peak of the rut. Bravo tough-guy.

ps, if you think a guy that survived Iwo Jima is going to ask for a Dr's excuse to use a crossbow early now, you got another thing coming.

wolc you've read enough of my posts to know that I am in favor of making it simple for the elderly and disabled. So stop, we've done this dance and it doesn't work with me.

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9 hours ago, TonySkyline said:

Why so serious??? Can't we all just, get along? Lol. I still haven't heard what the hell happened about the possible changes if any at all. Everyone crying about what they like or don't like, I think we have more serious issues happening in NY other than x bow season. We have thousands of illegal border jumpers headed our way because Cuomo is paying them to come here (with everyone leaving this shithole it makes sense). Cities all over NY will be a sanctuary cities. Imagine what hunting will be like with all of them.. I doubt they will care about what laws we have, they will probably just go whenever with whatever weapons of choice. Things could get alot worse than just someone using a crossbow during archery season. Haha. I only bring this up because I see it now with fishing especially but hunting as well. Dude was being my job in an apple orchard hunting deer with a x bow first week of archery. He got dragged out by DEC. Seen alot of this fishing keeping way over the limit. Lets hope this is not the case but who knows

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this is a forum to discuss hunting. Nobody is changing the world here. Because something more serious is going on, we can't escape in the offseason and talk about deer hunting?

Sorry mom, we're canceling your mothers day party, there's too many illegal border crossings and we just can't see it in ourselves to do anything else while this is happening.

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A lot of guys on here claiming that the modern compound is so easy to shoot. Yeah I'm not going to argue that it's not the hardest thing in the world to learn. I'd also argue that backyard 20 yards and flipflops is very different than in a stand in 24* and a big buck slightly quartering away 25' in the air. And yeah nerves can get the crossbow hunter too right? What's the one thing that crossbow hunter doesn't have to do? Draw. There's no level of skill that eliminates the movement in drawing on a deer and knowing when to draw. If you haven't been busted on the draw, you haven't hunted long enough haha.

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28 minutes ago, Belo said:

see now you just shot yourself in your foot. The key driver behind the crossbow debate is that every hunter should be allowed to hunt how they want.

Yet here you are assuming that all hunters are out trying to feed their families. I bet there isn't a single hunter on this board who hunts because their family would starve without it. This isn't to say that many of us (myself included) aren't meat hunters, but gtfo with that "we're just trying to feed our families bs". Think about what some of these members invest in cams, leases and plots. It's to kill big bucks. period.

Now to your first point. If we're out here to use the most efficient and convenient weapon, why do we have an archery season? That NYBOWHUNTER is why I'm anti-crossbow. You said you didn't like that reason, but it's a reason none the less. Archery is meant to be a challenge. The crossbow steps over that line.

Some prefer a higher quality meat than store bought garbage. I raise my own chickens as well. Its how my family operates. Low fat high protein venison is as good as it gets. 

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54 minutes ago, Belo said:

A lot of guys on here claiming that the modern compound is so easy to shoot. Yeah I'm not going to argue that it's not the hardest thing in the world to learn. I'd also argue that backyard 20 yards and flipflops is very different than in a stand in 24* and a big buck slightly quartering away 25' in the air. And yeah nerves can get the crossbow hunter too right? What's the one thing that crossbow hunter doesn't have to do? Draw. There's no level of skill that eliminates the movement in drawing on a deer and knowing when to draw. If you haven't been busted on the draw, you haven't hunted long enough haha.

I understand  what you are saying  but a lot of the older hunters physically  cant do it anymore and the younger ones just don't care about all that  DEC only cares about selling more tags  and how many deer they need to harvest  . So my prediction is the trend will continue until  archery  looks like this  https://images.app.goo.gl/YmQcVJgjK6Th7uCN7 it is what it is .

Personally would like to see a primitive archery season as well  that's even longer then  normal archery  that would  be cool , another tag and more  money for the states conservation efforts .

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6 minutes ago, Buckmaster7600 said:

Why not make it with an age restriction let’s say 60 and over can use them all season, everyone else can have the last 2 weeks.


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It should be that or a simple doctors note. Sure some may abuse the doctors note, but whatever. If you're that intent on using a crossbow you're probably using one illegally anyhow. Make it easy to upload a note to your request for a full season permit. I can't imagine the review strain after the first few years would be substantial and could be paid for by the increased revenue.

Also quit with the mz bs and make them all take the archery safety course if this is truly "archery". 

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2 hours ago, Belo said:

see now you just shot yourself in your foot. The key driver behind the crossbow debate is that every hunter should be allowed to hunt how they want.

Yet here you are assuming that all hunters are out trying to feed their families. I bet there isn't a single hunter on this board who hunts because their family would starve without it. This isn't to say that many of us (myself included) aren't meat hunters, but gtfo with that "we're just trying to feed our families bs". Think about what some of these members invest in cams, leases and plots. It's to kill big bucks. period.

Now to your first point. If we're out here to use the most efficient and convenient weapon, why do we have an archery season? That NYBOWHUNTER is why I'm anti-crossbow. You said you didn't like that reason, but it's a reason none the less. Archery is meant to be a challenge. The crossbow steps over that line.

That line has been crossed a long time ago with modern compound bows.

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1 hour ago, mike103 said:

That line has been crossed a long time ago with modern compound bows.

I still have to draw. Ranges maybe up 5 to 10 yards for the average hunter. Better arrows and heads just lead to better efficiency. How is the line crossed? 

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Crossbows for the Elderly and disabled only. If someone wants to bow hunt go bow hunt. Nothing stopping you except yourself.

Nobody ever stopped anyone from using crossbow during gun season either
It is truly more like a gun anyway
Lots of compound guys use bows during gun season because they truly like it -
Bet it's hard to find one cross gun guy using cross gun during gun season (maybe a few ) because they really don't like it just scared of THE TAG SOUP


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this is a forum to discuss hunting. Nobody is changing the world here. Because something more serious is going on, we can't escape in the offseason and talk about deer hunting?
Sorry mom, we're canceling your mothers day party, there's too many illegal border crossings and we just can't see it in ourselves to do anything else while this is happening.
Yes son. Exactly

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On 4/9/2021 at 9:26 AM, Steuben Jerry said:
And you want to deny things to people based on your feelings. Admit it, you're a commie.


Feelings towards what that crossbow is not archery -it's logic
Stop calling me names I haven't called anyone anything just crossbow a cupcake archery -now you can call me whatever you want but you might not like what's coming back
You are the one that's a fruitcake comie taking over archery season I ain't taking over it's been archery for ever and crossbow been around for ever and now all of a sudden it too hard for cupcakes to use compound ( not all people but most)
You people got no  feelings thats the problem (not all but most)other than wanting to fill the freezer at any cost possible otherwise compound would be fine for most of you


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7 hours ago, Belo said:

I still have to draw. Ranges maybe up 5 to 10 yards for the average hunter. Better arrows and heads just lead to better efficiency. How is the line crossed? 

Com’on man better cams, higher speeds, shorter axel to axel length, lighter material, better sights, better arrows, better broadheads, trigger release, .........lots of other stuff I’m forgetting.

I bought a compound bow in 1973 and it was hard to shoot.

I’ve shot lots of modern compounds and they are very easy to shoot.

I’m going to leave this discussion because I’m bored. 
 

I’m going to leave with this thought. For the most part NYS sucks.

But we are blessed with fairly abundant deer population. The season begins in September in the Northern Zone and finishes the end of January on Long Island.  

We can use rifles, pistols, shotguns, black powder, bow and Xbow. 
 

The bag limits are very liberal. We have the 3 point rule in much of the state and are shooting bigger bucks than ever. 
 

If you put your time in as most on this board do your going to score some sort of a deer. Any deer is a trophy. 
 

Happy hunting I hope that all your dreams regarding hunting come true. 

Mike.

 

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On 4/9/2021 at 10:33 PM, mike103 said:

We have the 3 point rule in much of the state and are shooting bigger bucks than ever. 
 

If you put your time in as most on this board do your going to score some sort of a deer. Any deer is a trophy. 
 

Happy hunting I hope that all your dreams regarding hunting come true. 

Mike.

 

1. No we don't

2. Any deer is a trophy is also not true. Every hunter sets their own trophy standards. So no, for many a doe or basket 6 is not a trophy. For some, you're right it is. But this is not a rule.

3. Same for you. Happy hunting brother. 

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