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3 hours ago, DirtTime said:

I'll just keep this simple, a bow does not have a scope or a gun stock, if it has those features, its a gun. All be it a gun that shoots an arrow, still a gun.

 

As for my post, perhaps I miss-worded it, or perhaps like others you just read into things what you want and miss the point. Yes, I did say lazy people. How many people have stated they would get into "archery" if they could use a crossbow for the whole season? How many of those have also stated it's because of how easy they are to tune and set up? That they don't want the hassle of shooting a vertical bow often to get proficient? I won't even go into the thought process being pushed that leads some to think they are going to get so much more yardage from a crossbow. Yep, if it walks and quacks like a duck.........

 

My personal opinion on the whole matter has changed. From what I consider them to be, to some of the problems full inclusion will bring. Also after listening to people who are against it explain their reasons. I say this over and over and over and over, I try to look at the big picture.

 

Trust me when I say this- I am no elitist bow hunter! If anything, adding full inclusion will cater to the elitist gun hunters. Think about that for a little while, seriously think about it. Let it sink in.

Your entitled to your opinion, but please stop back peddling it does nothing to help your cause. All your arguments are flawed and has no science behind it. Remember the function of the DEC is to reach mgt. goals and the elitist bowhunters that want to reduce hunters in thier woods and keep the lazy people out. That does nothing to help the DEC to achieve thier numbers. The DEC wants to add crossbows to attract more hunters to kill more deer, seems like a win win situation. You actually are a disgrace to all hunters with your name calling, placing hunters in categories, calling us lazy.  I would never even dare tell another hunter what weapon to use or try to block the use of a weapon within legality.  Now you let that sink in.

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Sometimes when I read something, I just have to chuckle a little. This is one of those times. I have been, and continue to be a bowhunter for almost 40 years. Did my mentality suddenly change, th

Done ,  I like my compound but have a couple of older hunters that cant draw bow back well anymore , miss having them in camp for whole archery season. Anything that let's them hunt more in better wea

This here, is my main issue with with the whole crossbow debate. One group of hunters calling another group of hunters "inferior" because they choose a different 'legal' hunting implement, or tool, to

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4 minutes ago, Trial153 said:


 

 


Quite frankly I can care less what your opinion is.
I don't believe they should be allowed in the archery season except for the elderly or disabled. They add too much efficacy to the season and will lead to reduced opportunities for bowhunting regardless of the type of bow chosen.

 

I guess we atleast agree on one thing, because I can give two shits about your elitist opinion. Your argument is selfish, flawed and one sided. Your personal agenda/goals should have no bearing on the DEC's mgt goals. Keep sending your representatives emails , full inclusion is inevitable.  

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I guess we atleast agree on one thing, because I can give two shits about your elitist opinion. Your argument is selfish, flawed and one-sided. Your personal agenda/goals should have no bearing on the DEC's mgt goals. Keep sending your representatives emails , full inclusion is inevitable.  
Unfortunately, you're correct. With the trend towards participation trophies for everyone, and catering to the lowest common denominator I do believe that at some point there will be full inclusion.

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54 minutes ago, Steve D said:

I do hunt some private land. Some of which I do not own and the owners like to hunt it on the weekends. Out of respect I stay out so as not to interfere with their hunting. The adjoining  properties also get quite a bit of pressure both bow & gun.

I always make it a point to have some areas of state land and some seasons spend the majority of my time there based on sign and crowds. I don't care what time of year it is, I would just prefer to hunt in an area with less hunters whether it is private or public.

 I am not suggesting other hunters hurt my hunting. I am just more interested in hunting in a place with the least amount of traffic as possible.

Well if you get in a pinch I can send you to a place where Xbow will have no bearing if you see anyone or not. 

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4 minutes ago, Four Seasons said:

Well if you get in a pinch I can send you to a place where Xbow will have no bearing if you see anyone or not. 

I have no qualm with crossbows. Just not my preference. The bottom of Letchworth would not appeal to me either but I am always looking for promising places to hunt:wink:

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4 hours ago, DirtTime said:

I'll just keep this simple, a bow does not have a scope or a gun stock, if it has those features, its a gun. All be it a gun that shoots an arrow, still a gun.

 

As for my post, perhaps I miss-worded it, or perhaps like others you just read into things what you want and miss the point. Yes, I did say lazy people. How many people have stated they would get into "archery" if they could use a crossbow for the whole season? How many of those have also stated it's because of how easy they are to tune and set up? That they don't want the hassle of shooting a vertical bow often to get proficient? I won't even go into the thought process being pushed that leads some to think they are going to get so much more yardage from a crossbow. Yep, if it walks and quacks like a duck.........

 

My personal opinion on the whole matter has changed. From what I consider them to be, to some of the problems full inclusion will bring. Also after listening to people who are against it explain their reasons. I say this over and over and over and over, I try to look at the big picture.

 

Trust me when I say this- I am no elitist bow hunter! If anything, adding full inclusion will cater to the elitist gun hunters. Think about that for a little while, seriously think about it. Let it sink in.

So it comes down to you dont want more hunters after your deer. It's simple to say , ove watched compounds become legal to the horror of traditionalists,  then the argument on let off allowed,  the use of a trigger ( release) the use of brass pins to fiberoptic, to lighted.  They all have come to be and the sport continues on with the changes  if you use any if these improvements and are against crossbow then you simply just dont want competition, 

Almost everyone I know that uses a crossbow has shot a compound for years.  The skill need to get into range and effectively take game consistant is what matters. If you cant take deer with a gun a crossbow will not help.  Believe it a lot will give up quickly as the long shots will deflect or deer duck arrow.  Its happens now 600k hunters and take is under 200 k. And we all know that so many hunters take 2 buck or multiple deer across seasons the number of successful hunters then becomes even less.   A crossbow will not make someone a better hunter . 

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42 minutes ago, Steve D said:

I have no qualm with crossbows. Just not my preference. The bottom of Letchworth would not appeal to me either but I am always looking for promising places to hunt:wink:

You don’t have to go all the way to the bottom.  Hell I will give ya this spot.  About an hour and a half from the road and your golden. Just about guarantee you won’t have issues with any other hunters. 

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9 hours ago, Four Seasons said:

You don’t have to go all the way to the bottom.  Hell I will give ya this spot.  About an hour and a half from the road and your golden. Just about guarantee you won’t have issues with any other hunters. 

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Hey! That's my spot!

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10 hours ago, Four Seasons said:

You don’t have to go all the way to the bottom.  Hell I will give ya this spot.  About an hour and a half from the road and your golden. Just about guarantee you won’t have issues with any other hunters. 

Thanks for the info but I wouldn't want to infringe on ncountry's spot:wink:.

I would probably have to eat the deer there because I sure as hell couldn't drag it out but thanks for the offer.:pleasantry:

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I don't support Full Inclusion but I don't fight against it either . When Full Inclusion takes effect , I will put away my compounds and let them collect dust . No sense in hunting with an inferior weapon . I can eliminate the need to practice all summer with my compound .  I have a crossbow . I am satisfied with the way the season is right now . 

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I’m not giving up my bow. I don’t consider my bow inferior. But I will use a crossbow when hunting in a ground blind. I can see where the cams are on a crossbow always think I’m going to hit the roof or my leg with one of the cams on my bow.

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1 hour ago, Larry said:

I’m not giving up my bow. I don’t consider my bow inferior. But I will use a crossbow when hunting in a ground blind. I can see where the cams are on a crossbow always think I’m going to hit the roof or my leg with one of the cams on my bow.

Same here. Love my compound and will use as long as I can. But the Xbow is an awesome weapon and fun to shoot. It’s funny the people that think others will shoot their deer if Xbow’s are used when the season now is set up for the Xbow to have the best 2 weeks of the season at the best time to kill a top end buck during the rut.  

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3 hours ago, Larry said:

I’m not giving up my bow. I don’t consider my bow inferior. But I will use a crossbow when hunting in a ground blind. I can see where the cams are on a crossbow always think I’m going to hit the roof or my leg with one of the cams on my bow.

I agree in a blind they are great, but in a stand they get.me worried as limbs can hit tree trunks,  and I cant hug a tree and shoot right along side it.  

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17 minutes ago, fasteddie said:

I don't want anyone shooting "my" deer . I spent a lot of time marking them to make it easier to shoot during Bow Season . :rolleyes:

 

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In general, crossbows provide much more penetration.  Those two are lined up for a perfect "double".  Center punch double lung on doe and heart on buck.

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When full inclusion is passed, I promise not to shoot anyone else's deer, trespass on public land, and always take the easiest route to killing "MY" deer !!!!   :thankyou:

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When do we know if this has been passed? I just want to use a less bulky x bow. Can care less about using it in October. Also they are trying to make it so we have the half hour after sunset. That is the biggest difference maker in all of it. I really hope that goes through.

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22 minutes ago, TonySkyline said:

When do we know if this has been passed? I just want to use a less bulky x bow. Can care less about using it in October. Also they are trying to make it so we have the half hour after sunset. That is the biggest difference maker in all of it. I really hope that goes through.

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Budget hasn't been passed or decided on , may be months..white knows,and then they can still pass as seperate bills

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Wish they would hurry it up, debating a new x bow or bow... a new rem 700 rifle & AR build will have to hold me over.
In regards to the crossbow stuff, I agree with people on both sides. To me, the important thing is getting rid of the absolutely pointless width and draw weight restrictions. I dont mind the current season as it falls at the rut anyway plus I like to hunt with both but definitely feel more accomplished if I get one with my compound.

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Gotta remember, this is NY ! With the political climate being what it is today. And ol' King Andy possibly being dethroned?? Just spin the  Albany 'budget bill' wheel! Where she stops nobody knows!

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16 minutes ago, TonySkyline said:

Wish they would hurry it up, debating a new x bow or bow... a new rem 700 rifle & AR build will have to hold me over.
In regards to the crossbow stuff, I agree with people on both sides. To me, the important thing is getting rid of the absolutely pointless width and draw weight restrictions. I dont mind the current season as it falls at the rut anyway plus I like to hunt with both but definitely feel more accomplished if I get one with my compound.

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I'm opposite I have no issue with restrictions,  would like it in all of archery with restrictions, I think that would be,easier to pass.. jmo

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I would be happy if the northern zone got 2 weeks to match the southern zone.   That would open up another weekend up there.  NYB must have more influence in that region.

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