dbHunterNY

teach you for being a sandbagger. besides indirectly our fellow RD put me up to it. lol

i've got my license and tags. both units 4K and 4C increased DMP target by about 30%. QDM co-op is in 4C and a vegetable farmer asking for some help to fend off the deer is in 4K so i applied for a DMP for the first time in a long time. 4K was my first choice and 4C my second. i got nothing to show for it but a prefence point. lol so much for that. still might make it a point to talk to them and head down there to fill some over the counter tags with adult doe. if not for the QDM co-op tags i'd feel like any efforts to contribute to doe harvest with my 3 over the counter tags that have limitations would be like dragging around a ball and chain. should've just applied for 4J as a second choice as it's bow only with public land and i would've gotten it. i'm not paying $10 only to pull my own weight in an urban/bow only area where doe harvest is needed and desired though. if it's such a problem i should be offered one by default.

QDM is a practice to better your deer herd along side hunter interests. QDMA is a non-profit association dedicated to the idea. so i think you mean qdm. that said qdm doesn't mean shooting all the doe. that's a grossly popular myth. days of growing deer populations from a perspective outside your immediate honey hole used for hunting is largely over. to keep the deer numbers stable from year to year some doe can't live to see another year. there's other factors outside trigger pulling that leads to this. some easy ones might come to mind like car collisions, predator based mortality, and harsh winters. practicing qdm could mean very high numbers of doe hitting the dirt or could mean not shooting any doe at all. it takes a buck and a doe to make more fawns.

here in region 4 we've got lots of diversity in close proximity compared to other regions. that creates a tall order to manage deer and why DMP allocations and other management decisions swing so hard between neighboring WMUs. I do believe it makes for no easy task for Larry Bifaro, Mike Clark, and Jeremy Hurst. We've got WMU's with and without antler restrictions. WMU's with over 80% forested and ag ground next to unit's much more developed with very limited access. we've got city hunting and big woods hunting both. data lines trend great on paper still but from the hunter perspective it seems like things can be way off in some cases. with this diversity you get diversity of habitat which translates to feast or famine when it comes to deer opportunity. also in the past years there's been a huge push in this region with groups doing QDM and managing deer at a micro level. to correct the skewed ratio you referenced hunters are passing bucks and reasonably ramping up doe harvest. with DEC modeling this creates a problem. DEC largely frames population and management decisions on buck take objective with any buck being legal and whether or not the objective's met. if people pass bucks with fewer taken, as well as doe harvest is higher than expected for multiple years, on paper to a large extent it looks like the population is down with an antlerless harvest rate that isn't sustainable. DEC then makes it a point to throttle back DMP permits. this is how they grow population. they only protect doe though to do this, so side effects are seeing lots of doe compared to bucks. another is hunters thinking there are plenty of deer around to not justify any worry about what to shoot or not shoot. another topic itself, a population that isn't balanced though is slow to grow as DEC desires. with feedback from hunters and citizen science stuff like the bowhunter sighting log, along with DMAP applicants maintaining numbers of tags filled, DEC is figuring out there's more deer than expected. in WMUs other than yours they've increased antlerless quotas. this info from hunter feeback though has to especially be invaluable and dealt with cautiously in areas with mandatory restrictions or QDM efforts as BTO based on any legal buck is now different. Good news is despite it's not easily rolled into the numbers they collect, it's still what's seen from actualy boots in the field. that said some other areas that can still rely more on BTOs seem to have BTOs that are largely off. your unit 4Z hasn't come close to the objective in over 10 years! that to me should ring a bell to say it should be revised.

That's what I meant. It's not included if you were to buy a lifetime now. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

still save some money but DMPs changed. i don't think DMP fees are included in lifetimes anymore.

being that us and those around me get DMAPs i encourage people to not apply for them out this way. no need to get one unless you know you're filling it. opportunity is there out here. our DMAPs aren't effecting deer on the otherside of the county yet they're factored as if they do. no doubt some properties just hold a ton of deer for multiple reasons but deer wander. if above expected doe harvest happens year after year and a number of hunter's still claim to be seeing deer then maybe the estimates for doe take were a little off. i get being conservative with tags so they don't over do it but come on! sometimes biologist eyes need to leave the papers and look at what's going on out in the field. it's an honest thing that can happen from time to time.

region 4 is really messed up in my opinion. i think a little bit of multiple problems is the cause but yes.

don't see many. one buck i can think of had one. it was a 150 class typical 10 pointer with one and made for an awesome looking mount.

i've compared CVA wolf and optima ml with my TC Prohunter and it's night and day difference. My TC is just made better. that said there's probably less of a difference with the premium barreled CVA Apex and Accura's. Also do i think an Optima that i bought was a 1/3 the gun of the TC is when looking at price difference? Nope. You get what you pay for but CVA makes a great gun for the $.

i used to but have realized it depends on the spot and situation. many aren't as productive comparing morning and evenings. i'm sitting there with a plan and often i don't have a spot where specific bucks go by both in the morning and the evening. once the first hot doe start coming in i'll hunt likely travel corridors/natural funnels if i don't have any deer specifically patterned well enough. then i might stay at the same spot. if action seems to have slowed a bit mid day i'll scout ridge sides and fields nearby from a distance as long as i'm not bumping deer. late season i've sat all day in one stand watching a food source. also when weather is getting nasty i've sat all day watching a swamp with some pines that served as thermal cover. if i sit all day though it has to make sense to do so. otherwise i'll burn out stands and have little opportunity to show for it.

doing something right. congrats! last HS reunion people didn't get back to the person trying to put it together so she called it off. sad really. i graduated from a small rural school. maybe many classmates plans were taking long than expected? haha

in the early days of this country various big game could be hunted and sold. it nearly wiped out multiple species. that's one good reason why it's illegal to sell wild game meat. not coming up with an apples to oranges comparison, it's good that we don't repeat the same mistakes. i like to know i'll be able to take my future grand kids hunting knowing something will still be there for them to hunt.

great buck. pulling for ya to get him this fall.

awesome you've got a deer to get you pumped up. hope you can get at him this fall!

Awesome job! Only get better as you heal and shoot. Good luck! Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

every farm i can think of has an older combine. most pull a chopper with a tractor. we've got some hills around here though except river bottom along the Hudson.

look new. $400,000 - $600,000. options add up.

i think DMP probability is posted online and updated for 2017. by july they have that figured out in order to get it in the regs guide. Regs guide not yet available from printing subcontractor. i think august 1st is when licenses are available but not sure.

PSE, Elite, and Bowtech bows don't look bad either. honestly i could get a bow from each one set them next to either other and you'd barely be able to tell them apart.

on another note doesn't SCI include high fence deer? maybe that's why this isn't a normal "record".

they aren't sending you a free bow so shoot them all. keep in mind you might have to draw and let up with the deer right there. speed is nice but if you can't draw and let down the bow smooth enough to go undetected it won't do you any good.

...and to think there's guy looking down from hundreds of more feet up saying "kids. wish they'd keep climbing and get up here. maybe then i can get this radio tower beacon light changed out so i can move on to the next one."

before i got to read the paper my 3 yr old i guess used it for art and then my mother in law tossed it. lol so unless i come across another copy idk what was said in the article.

the problem with nuisance permits is you get tags but the damage is already done in order for you to get those tags. so it's a halfass fix and isn't well tracked anyway. I think what people mean is if you request nuisance permits you damn well should have someone hunting on your property during deer season, whether it's you, family, friends, or joe blow who asked. your choice as a landowner. however, if you don't you're just causing your own problem, reducing hunting opportunity both in deer to shoot at, and increasing the problems of access.