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Isn't needed but it IS working? Now if so many others could realize it! This is in response to your earlier post with pictures. There are "scrub" bucks in every region or area, it all depends on 2 things the forage and genetics. You need minerals and nutrients for the deer to grow bigger head gear and healthier. Some deer will peak early others later, once that deer hits a certain age (based on their genes) their head gear and overall health will start to diminish and eventually be beat out of breeding by the younger stronger bucks. If they aren't killed by a predator they will die of old age. Some areas just don't have the ability to have "big bucks" but in terms of antlers and points the antlers may not grow larger (overall amount in inches) in areas lacking nutrition but will still increase in number of points. As you proved that deer that was aged at 6 1/2 wasn't a spike by any means. Granted a 6 1/2 in an area with adequate forage would have likely been much larger overall.

Ain't that the truth, anything in the wayne, monroe, ontario county areas is being sold at top dollar for tract housing. Farmington used to have cheap land now you are a looking at $2k+ an acre.

Calling for a foot here on the southern tier. I think that will bring our total to around 24". Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

That and the community piles of "mulch" from all the roadside derbis. Best way to spread diseases and bugs. That should all be taken to a designated area and burned as biomass for electrical generation or heat not used around hundreds of homes across the county.

You can run an interlock which basically a metal bracket that you lift up to turn on the breaker running from the generator and you must turn off the main in order for the generator breaker to be turned on.

That is a nice buck but like mentioned by another member I have shot one that was a touch bigger (161" gross) from my treestand but also with a gun. I didn't need to "get off my butt" but choose to shoot him while standing on the platform of my stand so does that count? You stated you don't hear about doe being taken over the 3 year old mark but I have to believe that there are more doe taken at the 3 year old mark than bucks because there are so many hunters out there shooting that yearling sporting that white gold all of us AR guys are supposedly trying to protect and get 200" bucks around every corner. Your argument lacks facts and research. I'm not sure how many mature doe I have shot over the years I never had them aged but I would venture to guess there were more mature doe than juvenile/yearlings. Taking the largest doe with the most mature features leads me to think they are older. Not to mention some barely had any teeth left.

That is a plus side to it. Maybe not an intended result but a pro.

I never said there aren't big bucks, I don't know where you got the notion I expect one behind every tree and they should just walk right past me. If you are a good hunter you get close to the game undetected so for me that means up a tree with them walking under me. I still hunt and stalk with a gun but still prefer to setup on game and ambush them. I hunt for meat BUT I also do so by taking mature deer whether it is a buck or doe. I refuse to shoot something for meat that will not give me 50lbs.+ I would rather make my time worth while I'm not out there just to kill. I don't need to hunt state land between my family and my wife's we have 3 different tracts of land scattered over central NY. If you're not looking for bullwinkle feel free to shoot that doe you passed 4 times already. You make the argument you don't need anyone telling you what deer to shoot but still shoot yearlings. In that case you obviously do need someone to tell you what to shoot because you can't make the conscious decision to pass on a young juvenile deer. I couldn't agree more. It isn't about killing "trophies" it's about better genetics and healthier deer. AR's is one of a few ways of protecting the younger generation of deer and ensuring they will be there for years to come.

Last i checked crossbow falls in bow season, get over yourself no reason gun season couldn't have AR the first 2 weeks. Gun season is almost 4 weeks long. You're not limiting all of gun season so what's the problem? That spike walking around on opening day will surely be there the day after AR are over so you can shoot him and his 4 point older brother. It just has those guys like yourself holding off for 2 weeks before you blast a yearling. You think guns and bows are equivalent because that is what your arguing right now. Also since when did browtines not count? If it is longer than 1" it counts as a point. Your pulling stuff out your bung. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

You said you are shooting 2.5 year old bucks, that might be your problem. You need to pass on the 2.5 year olds for them to get older and bigger. I would hunt food sources in the evening, if you don't have any food sources where you hunt that would be your problem. The best time to kill a mature buck is during the rut when they drop their guard. There are a ton of variables that play into seeing a mature buck before you can kill one. Play the wind and have more than one option, if the wind isn't good for that area don't go there no matter how bad you want to hunt it. If you educate that mature buck to your patterns it won't be long until he moves onto a new property/area. Here are the key things I have done to kill a mature buck. Scout-Do a lot of pre-season scouting taking notes of where you have saw sign of big deer. Usually deer scat from big deer is lumped together more solid. The size of the prints is another good indicator of the size of the animal the further in the mud it goes the heavier the animal. Stand, Still hunting, or stalking-Figure out if you are going to elevate yourself off the ground to give you a better field of view or plan on stalking. Either way know the area how thermals on the hills work, and wind direction of the area. In an area I hunt it can be a west wind but the way the hills fall it usually ends up being a northwest. Only real way to know this is by hunting the area for a couple seasons or frequent trips to the area. Don't over hunt 1 location! This is huge, if you don't see any deer for a couple sits go somewhere else to let the area cool down. The only time I have ever hunted an area back to back for more than 3 or 4 days is if it rains at night or in between sits. The rain will wash away your scent after you leave so it was like you were never there. When I say rain I mean a soaking rain or hours long drizzle. Know your surroundings and the direction the deer travel I know this sounds obvious but not all deer travel the same and the bigger smarter ones don't do what the rest do. The majority of people that hunt hills/mountains say deer travel top to down morning to dusk, don't take this for gospel probably half of the mature deer I have shot were crossing parallel to the hill/mountain. This is where the scouting comes in. Hunt area where there are big bucks-another obvious one but if the people in the area shoot anything that moves most likely there won't be any "mature" bucks in the vicinity. They get big by being smart and being in an area that gets shot all to crap isn't smart. Food Sources-This goes along with the scouting but worth mentioning as its own entity. You need to figure out the majority of the diet of deer in that area. No AG fields means tree nuts, so you need to find oaks, beech, hickory, maybe even wild apples and grapes. Deer love soft maple buds/tree tops so if there are a lot of recently downed trees you might be in for a pleasant surprise. Find the doe-If you are planning on hunting during the rut you need to find the doe otherwise you won't see any bucks. In the beginning of rut deer will travel very long distances to find a early hot doe. Once they do they generally don't leave her at least till he has had his way with her. Nothing I can tell you will beat experience the more time in the woods the more you will learn.

Yeah no kidding, the wife and I about fell over when we were looking for a new vehicle. We ended up buying a used traverse for her instead of a new pickup for me.

Not usually, bear are further towards the old forge area. I figured the 607 in your name referred to that area, it is much flatter up there than the southern tier but a lot more snow during the winter. I think majority of the time they have snow for the last couple weeks of hunting season but it is usually gone pretty quick. If you get a chance get up there and walk the land look for any and all deer sign that should give you an idea of how many are running around the area. Scouting in the snow is easiest as you can tell how fresh the tracks are and where they hang out.

If lead is so bad then why is almost every faucet used in a facility or home still made with lead? I understand that you shouldn't be ingesting the stuff but there is no getting completely rid of it from our diets/life. Should we be more aware of it? Yes, but give me a break where are you going to draw the line? I understand from a environmental stand point lead hurts and sometimes kills animals but most of you saying it should be banned are the same people saying we should get a choice of what deer we should be able to take and antler restrictions are the devil. You preach you want freedom of choice then say take away my freedom of choice.

It isn't bad as they have the means of removing the snow but some things I would look into is if there is electric on the road out to the property if not then that could be an issue and will impact the price of the land. If there isn't already a cabin you will be looking at some serious cash to get a legal septic system (around 6k for a new system if it isn't a raised bed then you're looking at 10k) another thing is wildlife they have deer but they are fewer and far between, meaning it will be more of a cabin retreat than a hunting camp. Believe it or not the deer usually do pretty good up they are used to the weather and use the snowmobile trails for travel usually. I have come up on deer on the trail in the evening and at night while riding around the Redfield area. There are older deer in the area but less of them, there is good hunting around that region just need to find it. I personally have never hunted the area, but I know a few people that hunt around Parish. They see deer and shoot some every year. Not the deer densities of other places around the state but they are there. I would say the densities are about the same as the southern tier. $400/acre seems right for the area. Look into the tax maps and see what the land is worth as a whole, that should give you an idea of what you should pay per an acre.

If you like snow you're in the right area. They get blasted from early December thru march usually. Great snowmobiling country up there but be aware they can get 5' of snow OVERNIGHT. Sounds like you are getting a pretty good deal on the land, how many acres is it total?

Because there are more hunters in NY than what are on this site, I don't mind seeing the AR come through if it fails then they can rescind it like they did the anterless only zones. I think they should implement it the first 2 weeks of gun season and be done with it and allow the bow hunters to take what they want. Bow hunting is much more challenging than hunting with a gun and far fewer opportunities to take a deer. A 4 point rule in 8F and on the southern tier would most definitely benefit herd health. There are a ton of brown it's down hunters in the southern tier more than I have meet in other areas of NY.

I'm surprised to not see any bullet holes in it.

For the leach field can you do a dry week instead? I know they all use them around or area. Basically a square hole with cinder blocks stacked on their sides and holes facing left to right. Water leaches it the holes and into the ground around it. Could do the same for drainage around your place. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

I'm not one of those analytic thinkers so i have a photographic memories. I usually can picture where i left an item but sometimes i can't find things my wife swears she didn't move. But for the sake of the thread can't find any cheap pistol brass. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

If you are looking for supplies check out this site. They are out of buffalo and are great to deal with. I have a store locally in Horseheads that I get the majority of my supplies from. First link has some of the stuff Culvercreek mention and the second link has protein. http://www.sausagemaker.com/preserving-cures-ingredients-s/2018.htm http://www.sausagemaker.com/searchresults.asp?Search=protein&Submit=

Yup, haven't got the flu yet and I work with 150 students a day.

Man now I REALLY wish I saw it. Sounds like it was hilarious....to read.

Yeah I'm disappointed I didn't get to read it.

The drag is a huge consideration! If you have a crappy drag that will account for a lot of lost fish and tackle from line breaks. It isn't always the knots fault but a bad drag is usually the culprit when it comes to line breaks.

3 inches and no work. Dang schools don't know what a snow day really entails. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk