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That last part I think is why chatter has come to an end on this. There is still no factual information out there for anyone to go off of. The few times Hochul has been asked about it she failed to give details. Last I heard there was at least 3 different law suites in place and at least one Judge that is/will be putting a stay/hold on the law before September 1st.

Good luck my friend, I'll be thinking of you all day. Post up later just to let us know how things are going.

A father and son I know both shoot Howa as their primary deer gun. Ones a 6.5 and the other is a .308 if I’m remembering right. They have nothing bad to say about the guns. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

We are going Saturday to a local place to check a few used units out and I'll pick the guys brain about new while I am there. I'll see where that takes us then I may just take her up on the offer even though Bath is about 3.5 hours away from me.

We need a dislike button..........

I guess I don't necessarily have an exact question but I see people on other forums always commenting to buy new right now because the price between new and used is very close. When I look online new is way higher than used unless your looking at maybe something that is only one or two years old so like a 2020 or a 2021 model. To me it seems like I'll save money on a 2017 or 2018 model that has already depreciated in value but is not very old. Most of the new stuff I see online also lists the MSRP and you have to contact the dealer for the incentive price which leads to constant text, phone calls and emails from the dealer (ask me how I know LOL). So in the end there is no way to know what the final price of the new units are without contacting the dealer.

My parents house is radiant heat slab with masonry block walls. I can tell you that’s the most comfortable home I’ve every been in. No crazy temperature swings like a forced air system and more efficient than a traditional base board heating system. Like someone said before it does take a while for it to heat up so my parents always keep the temp at one temperature all winter long. Also their heating bills are always lower then mine with a forced air system and we are in a pretty comparable house. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Is she in sales? We are looking around for an upgrade. I would love to have an honest opinion on new vrs. used right now.

Not yet, another thing I need to get off my butt about. been ridiculously busy the past 2 months. I have everything I need. I just need to get it set up.

I've been thinking about it a lot but that's about it. Between the heat and the mosquito population at our land its tough to do anything in the woods right now. I do have to get off my butt and get my daughter out shooting her .243 so she's ready for that early September season.

Same in 8G. I think they also sneak them into your glove box and under your mattress while your not looking.

My daughters still hasn’t come in yet. I think our USPS driver went on strike. We’ve hardly gotten any mail in the last week. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I don't doubt it will be ruled unconstitutional but like you said how long will that take. What has to happen in order for the Supreme Court to step in?

Just be thankful your in CT now. NYS got told no by the Supreme Court then NYS threw a temper tantrum and made a bunch of laws almost over night with no real way to implement or enforce them. Background checks on all ammo purchases including the creation of an ammo database 16 hours of Live fire training for new permit holders and first time recertification give up your social media accounts A list of "sensitive" places that you can't carry AND businesses have to post that they allow conceded carry in order for you to carry. If there is no signage posted it's assumed you are not allowed to carry inside that business which carries a felony charge. This one is pretty big because it's really going to limit you to where you can carry. Forget about CC and bouncing around running errands without being a felon. Semi auto rifle permit/license This is just a few of them that I'm remembering off the top of my head. 9/1/2022 is going to be very interesting. I'll probably be leaving my daily carry home until some sense can be made of it all.

I assume NY only as the date corresponds when all the new gun laws go into affect. Probably a huge headache to figure out what's legal to sell and ship to people in NY

I did not write out the below information. This was done by the Wayne County Clerk and emailed out to SCOPE members. I thought it did a fair job of explaining some of the new stuff and it seemed to align with a lot that I have already heard but now it's slightly more than just rumors. This is the most up to date information on Fire Arm Regulation that we have received from the State Police: If any of this information appears confusing or contradictory it probably is. The County Clerk shares your frustration with this situation and the unfair penalties our law abiding citizens are being put through. SUMMARY: 1) For the removal of restrictions in Wayne County an amendment will need to be submitted to the County Clerk’s Office for the Judge to review. 2) We are waiting for greater clarification on the details mentioned below. As I receive more information I will post it on the County Clerk’s web page. Anything in this memo is subject to revision and update. 3) The Judge as certifying officer has significantly increased responsibilities. As we receive details and direction from the Court I will be sure to make the public aware. 4) Much of the issuing authority on pistol permits has been moved from our local County Judges and has been transferred to the State Police. Time will tell what this means. 5) The new statute removes the Sheriff’s office from doing pistol permit background investigations and transfers the responsibility to the State Police. LIFTING OF RESTRICTIONS ON A PISTOL PERMIT 1) Anyone wishing to have restrictions removed from their pistol permit will need to file an amendment for the judge to review and consider. The amendment fee is $3 amendment fee and $10 card fee. 2) Restriction removal is not automatic. An amendment requesting removal will need to be filed. 3) Please note that everything is subject to change due to actions yet to be taken by the Governor and Legislature. HOCHUL PISTOL PERMIT RESTRICTIONS LAW In a period of six hours the Hochul Pistol Permit Restrictions law was released to the public and then signed into law. We are in the process of trying to understand what was passed and what it means. Here is what has been gleaned from the statute so far: 1. The "good moral character" eligibility requirement for all pistol permits (concealed or otherwise) will be defined in greater detail in the law. Going forward it shall 2 mean "having the essential character, temperament and judgement necessary to be entrusted with a weapon and to use it only in a manner that does not endanger oneself or others." 2. New requirements will need to be met specifically for concealed-carry permit applicants. An applicant for such a permit: a. Cannot have been convicted of Assault 3rd, misdemeanor DWI, or menacing within 5 years prior to application b. The applicant must meet in person with the Judge for an in-person interview c. The applicant must submit to the Judge and investigating agency the names and contact information of the applicant's spouse, domestic partner and any other adults residing in the applicant's home, as well as indicate whether or not there are children living at the applicant's home, even parttime. d. The names and contact information of 4 references who can speak to the applicant's good moral character, and who can also attest that the applicant has not made any statements or taken any action that would lead them to believe that the applicant would harm themselves or others. e. Certification of completion of the new training requirement (more on this below) f. A list of former and current social media accounts from the past 3 years must be disclosed to the Judge and investigating agency. However the legislation does not require that the applicant provide access to these accounts. 3. Prior to the issuance of a concealed carry permit, an applicant must complete an "in-person live firearms safety course." Such course must be: a. Conducted by a duly authorized instructor. The definition of who is an authorized instructor and who does the authorizing has not been determined by the State Police. b. At least 16 hours long c. Covering those topics required by DCJS, which include things like general firearm safety, safe storage requirements, conflict de-escalations, best practices when encountering law enforcement, a minimum of 2 hours of live-fire range training, etc. PL section 265.20 would be amended to grant an exemption from prosecution for possessing a pistol without a license for the purposes of such training. d. Current concealed carry pistol permit holders would need to complete this training course prior to their next recertification. It must only be completed once, not upon every subsequent renewal. 4. Concealed carry pistol permits will have to be recertified every 3 years, as opposed to the standard 5 years. Licenses that were issued over 3 years prior to the effective date of this legislation would have to be recertified within 1 year. 3 5. The Judge will be granted the discretion to revoke or suspend any license if the possessor engaged in acts that would have been grounds for denial of the granting of the license in the first place. Judges must give written and specific reasons for denials so applicants know what to expect. Additionally, a licensing officer must revoke a license if it becomes know that the applicant made a materially false statement on his or her application. 6. Denials, suspensions, and revocations of licenses can be appealed but will no longer be handled by a local judge. Appeals will be reviewed by an "appeals board" that will be created by State Police. DCJS in cooperation with the State Police, will be responsible for promulgating rules and regulations with regard to the operation of the board 7. The legislation also creates the crime of possession of a firearm, rifle or shotgun in a "sensitive location". This would be a class E felony. Police officers, peace officers, active-duty military personnel, and persons engaged in lawful hunting activity would be exempted. Sensitive places are defined as: a. Federal, State and local government property b. Any place that provides healthcare, mental health care, or addiction treatment services c. Any place of worship or religious observations d. Public parks, public playgrounds, zoos and libraries e. Any place, or the location of any program, licensed, regulated, or operated by DOH, OASAS, OCFS, OMH or OPWDD. f. Nurseries, preschools and summer camps g. Homeless shelters, youth homes, family shelters, DV shelters, etc. h. Schools of all education levels i. Public transportation j. Any establishment that serves alcohol k. Entertainment venues such as stadiums, concert halls, racetracks, museums amusement parks, conference centers, etc. l. Polling places m. Any public sidewalk or property that restricted from general public access for a special event that has been issued a permit for the same n. Any gathering of individuals to collectively express their constitutional rights to protest or assemble o. Times Square There is no list of locations where it is acceptable to carry your weapon concealed in New York State 8. This legislation demands the creation of an ammunition sales database maintained by the State Police. "There shall be a statewide license and record database specific for ammunition sales which shall be created and maintained by the State police the cost of which shall not be borne by any municipality no later than thirty days upon designating the division of state police as the point of 4 contact to perform both firearm and ammunition back- ground checks under federal and state law. " 9. The legislation would require that firearms dealers record all ammunition sales in the database. The records maintained in this database would not be subject to FOIL and will be maintained by the State Police. 10.Firearm owners would have new safe storage requirements when leaving weapons in their vehicles. Guns left in a vehicle would first have to have the ammunition removed, and then the gun would have to be locked in a "safe storage depository" somewhere out of sight from outside the vehicle. 11.The Law creates new home safe storage requirements for when an individual cohabitates with or has present an individual under the age of 18, up from 16. It has not been determined which police agency will be responsible to policing the home storage and what the penalty for non compliance would be. 12.DCJS will be tasked with conducting NICS checks for every firearm and ammunition purchase made in New York State. How this is supposed to happen or if there is a fee has not been determined 13.The Sheriff’s office or local police agencies will no longer be conducting background investigations for pistol permits. The entire process has been centralized under the State Police and DCJS in Albany. Quote: “Upon receiving a request from a licensed dealer pursuant to section eight hundred ninety-six or eight hundred ninety-eight of the general business law, the division shall initiate a background check by (i) contacting the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) or its successor to initiate a national instant criminal background check, and (ii) consulting the statewide firearms license and records database established pursuant to subdivision three of this section, in order to determine if the purchaser is a person described in sections 400.00 and 400.03 of the penal law, or is prohibited by state or federal law from possessing, receiving, owning, or purchasing a firearm or ammunition.” 14. The effective dates of these statutes appears to be a blend of conflicting dates and feasible compliance of September 1, 2022 and April 2023. We are waiting for clarification. SEMI AUTOMATIC RIFLE PERMITTING IF YOU HAVE A PISTOL PERMIT At this time we have not received any information or forms from the courts or the state police. When we have more we will update this page. This requirement is supposed to go into effect on September 1. IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A PISTOL PERMIT At this time we have not received any information or forms from the courts or the state police. When we have more we will update this page. This requirement is supposed to go into effect on September 1. RECERTIFICATION 1) The New York State Police web site for filing your pistol permit recertification. The paper application is posted on this site as well. https://troopers.ny.gov/Firearms/ 2) The Hochul Pistol permit restrictions law now requires that all permit holders must pass a 16 hour gun safety class with 2 hours of live fire training prior to recertification. We do not have information on when this will take effect or what the training will look like. Best advice is to continue recertifying as normal until we hear differently from the state police. 3) If you held a pistol permit prior to January 31, 2013 your second pistol permit recertification will need to be done by January 31, 2023. After that date, recertification is due every 3 years from the date of issuance. 4) You can check the expiration of your recertification on the State Police Web Site mentioned above. 5) If the form is submitted electronically the permit holder will receive a receipt that can be printed out. If submitted by mail it was recommended that the application be sent by certified mail so that there will be proof of mailing. 6) Regardless of being filed electronically or by paper, a permit holder can check the status of their recertification on the state police web site. 7) If you have a NICS check by a dealer you still need to recertify with the State Police. 8. If you have a Brady check by the County Clerk’s Office you still need to recertify with the State Police. 9) Semi Automatic permits will need to be rescheduled on this same schedule. QUESTIONS: Mike Jankowski, Wayne County Clerk [email protected] (315) 946-7470 New York State Police Web Site: http://www.troopers.ny.gov/ (1-855-529-4867)

Late to the party AND I don't work from home either and don't think the nature of my job would be successful from home but I sure as hell would love to be able to do it maybe a day or two a week when I know I just have stuff to get done and don't need the office interaction to be successful. It would save me a 35 min drive each way and leave me with a lot more free time at home. I'm at the point in my career that I really don't get paid to bust my ass and work as hard as I possibly can, I get paid because of what I know and how well I know it. Most weeks I put in 40 hours of work and that's it. Sometimes it's 42 and sometimes its 38. Just depends on what going on. The days of 50-60 hours are long gone. My wife started to work from home during covid and was made permanent work from home sometime around the end of 2021. She's set up with a dedicated workspace in the house with a desk her laptop and 2 monitors. She works hard from home and even with working hard still her mental aspect about work has changed dramatically. I use to wonder why she still did her job as she did nothing but complain about it when she was working in the office. Now while she still gets frustrated it's nothing like it was before. Something about working from home has changed her view. She can pretty much set her own hours and they don't want people working OT so by the time Friday comes she can only work 4-6 hours that day before she hits 40 hours and she absolutely loves it. I'm a little jealous because she's home when the kids get on and off the school bus and gets to talk to them for a little bit before starting work again. If the kids need to go somewhere she can just clock out and take care of personal business then clock back in all the while I'm slugging it to and from work driving for over an hour a day a burning through $100's in fuel. I leave at 7:15am and be lucky to be home by 5:15pm.

So the fireplace is electric and puts out heat? Memorial day 2021 was awful. We stayed at Bowman Lake in the ADK's which was a beautiful park but no electric and at the time we did not have a generator. It was cold and did nothing but rain for 2 days. I'm so thankful I grabbed my buddy heater at the last min before pulling out of the driveway as it at least kept us warm inside the camper while we played game's and colored. We ended up packing up a day early and heading home because the forecast was nothing but rain for the remainder of the trip. That same year my in-laws went to Watkins Glenn State park and only lasted a day in their pop up. They had to set it up in the rain and got soaked. Had to stay inside freezing because they had no heat. they packed up the next morning and came home. LOL a 4 night stay turned into not even 24 hours.

Yep, stock up now on everything that you need. I assume with the new law this will be required for all online sales IF they will even ship to a New York FFL. I could see a lot of online shops not even shipping to NY to avoid the hassle.

F-150 with the 2.7 ecoboost engine. Only rated to tow 7,600 pounds with a 1,528 payload. No way am I pulling a 28 footer with a slide. Without the slide maybe. 25-26 footers are closer in weight and size for the truck I currently have. I could get a half ton with a higher towing and payload capacity but if I'm getting a different truck I might as well get a 3/4 ton and not have to worry about what the camper weighs and what I'm putting in the truck. Our friends 28 footer really has to be a deal in order for us to move on it because we have to factor in the added cost of the 3/4 ton truck as well. If that deal doesn't work then we hit up the RV shows to figure out what will work for us.

Thanks for the input, early and late season bad weather is the reason why I think the bump out is needed. We as a family of 4 have spent many of memorial day weekends stuck inside because of rain and that little hybrid while nice just has no room to spread out and relax. We are actually waiting until the beginning of August to look at a friends 2016 Jayco 28BHBE that they are selling. If the deals right we might just jump on it. It looks like it's almost exactly the same thing that you have. Only downside is I'll also have to upgrade to a 3/4 ton truck to pull it and now is not the time to be buying a used truck.

Lets talk more about that camper. Bunkhouse? Any Slide out's? How Long and how's it work with the family? We are looking to upgrade from our old tired hybrid into a 25-28 foot bunk house. I feel like one slide out is a must for that extra room but honestly don't know if it's worth the extra cost and extra weight. We are waiting to hit up a RV Show so we can check out a bunch all at once as a family.

Out of curiosity did you score mine? I put tape to it with my daughter as a fun thing to do because she insisted that it was bigger than the last one. Spoiler alert it was not bigger but it was closer than I thought it would have been.

When I got my first big buck I did look into what it took to make the book's and decided it was just not my style. Didn't matter anyway because he fell short of qualifying any ways.

Absolutely Rob. I think about it often and I honestly have nothing to complain about in life. Great wife, great kids a nice house and yard, good friends and good health. My hunting land is only 35 min away so I can head out there anytime I’d like. I was out there last week and will be out there again this weekend. Heck even my job ain’t that bad. Sure it’s not all roses but Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk