Would you vote to make it legal?

[BizCT]

Is the deal off? Thread closed?


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[Five Seasons]

11 hours ago, Four Seasons said:

My partners?  If your talking about the high fence hunting ranches I am invested in then no to the true word of farmers they are not. Two of them never have any leftover animals to even have to worry about feeding and the one with all the water and islands have very few make it thru. I guess you could call that one a farm if dropping a round bale in once a month farming Here at my place it’s 100% farming with no harvesting of animals. As far as livestock yes we get the write offs and all the other goodies and cattle or sheep farmer may get  The best of both worlds. 

so if the deer are livestock and they manage them, what would you call them if not farmers? If the deer aren't livestock and they're not farmers, wouldn't you agree that they shouldn't be able to kill bear and yote out of season?

You seem to want to have your cake and eat it too. It's one of the other my dude. 

[Five Seasons]

1 hour ago, BizCT said:

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the way I look at it is the chef is still willing but fourseasons wants chef to fork over 3 grand in advance, which I think we can all agree is bs. If fourseasons accepts chef handing the 3 grand to an independent 3rd party then that seems fair. If he doesn't accept that offer, I call this a win for chef and the biggest L in the history of this forum for 4 seasons. maybe we can vote on it? lol.

[BizCT]

25 minutes ago, Belo said:

the way I look at it is the chef is still willing but fourseasons wants chef to fork over 3 grand in advance, which I think we can all agree is bs. If fourseasons accepts chef handing the 3 grand to an independent 3rd party then that seems fair. If he doesn't accept that offer, I call this a win for chef and the biggest L in the history of this forum for 4 seasons. maybe we can vote on it? lol.

I agree with you assessment. I am happy to hold the money as the third party. I'm treasurer of the forum fantasy league, so my credentials are there.

Edited September 29, 2022 by BizCT

[Four Seasons]

41 minutes ago, Belo said:

so if the deer are livestock and they manage them, what would you call them if not farmers? If the deer aren't livestock and they're not farmers, wouldn't you agree that they shouldn't be able to kill bear and yote out of season?

You seem to want to have your cake and eat it too. It's one of the other my dude. 

They are considered livestock in the usda eyes that’s a fact. If you call selling them management then that’s what it is. I sure would not call what they do there any kind of farming practices that’s for sure.               If you had an enclosure with say Black Labs in it for breeding purposes and a bear or yote was ether in there or working them up so bad they were bouncing off the enclosure breaking legs and breaking legs should you be able to protect them at any cost?                                                                       Not so sure about the cake but a person has every right to eat whatever is on their private property destroying their private property. And we do.  

[Four Seasons]

50 minutes ago, Belo said:

the way I look at it is the chef is still willing but fourseasons wants chef to fork over 3 grand in advance, which I think we can all agree is bs. If fourseasons accepts chef handing the 3 grand to an independent 3rd party then that seems fair. If he doesn't accept that offer, I call this a win for chef and the biggest L in the history of this forum for 4 seasons. maybe we can vote on it? lol.

I can afford the loss to a guy that said what no less then 3 times he was afraid he would shoot the wrong deer in a pen that he said would be so easy to hunt in. Yeah I’m good with that. 

[Paula]

57 minutes ago, Belo said:

the way I look at it is the chef is still willing but fourseasons wants chef to fork over 3 grand in advance, which I think we can all agree is bs. If fourseasons accepts chef handing the 3 grand to an independent 3rd party then that seems fair. If he doesn't accept that offer, I call this a win for chef and the biggest L in the history of this forum for 4 seasons. maybe we can vote on it? lol.

I think the money was asked for as a deposit because chef asked what would happen if he shot the wrong deer

 

 

oh I see four season answered

 

 

 

Edited September 29, 2022 by Paula

[Five Seasons]

36 minutes ago, Four Seasons said:

They are considered livestock in the usda eyes that’s a fact. If you call selling them management then that’s what it is. I sure would not call what they do there any kind of farming practices that’s for sure.               If you had an enclosure with say Black Labs in it for breeding purposes and a bear or yote was ether in there or working them up so bad they were bouncing off the enclosure breaking legs and breaking legs should you be able to protect them at any cost?                                                                       Not so sure about the cake but a person has every right to eat whatever is on their private property destroying their private property. And we do.  

I think raising dogs fall under the same umbrellas a livestock as you're raising an animal for profit.

34 minutes ago, Four Seasons said:

I can afford the loss to a guy that said what no less then 3 times he was afraid he would shoot the wrong deer in a pen that he said would be so easy to hunt in. Yeah I’m good with that. 

I don't disagree that you need a deposit, but why not let a 3rd party hold it? I see why chef wouldn't want to fork it over to the "guide" for fear he doesn't get it back even if he does follow the rules. 

[mowin]

26 minutes ago, Paula said:

I think the money was asked for as a deposit because chef asked what would happen if he shot the wrong deer

 

 

oh I see four season answered

 

 

 

Exactly. 

What's to stop him from shooting a huge/wrong buck if there no repercussions?  I for one wouldn't trust anyone in this situation to follow the rules. 

[mowin]

4 minutes ago, Belo said:

I think raising dogs fall under the same umbrellas a livestock as you're raising an animal for profit.

I don't disagree that you need a deposit, but why not let a 3rd party hold it? I see why chef wouldn't want to fork it over to the "guide" for fear he doesn't get it back even if he does follow the rules. 

If this was your hunting ranch, would you trust someone you don't know or ever met to hold the deposit?  

I understand chefs reluctance to pop down the money, but it's the owners of the ranch that have the most to loose.

[blackbeltbill]

1 hour ago, Belo said:

the way I look at it is the chef is still willing but fourseasons wants chef to fork over 3 grand in advance, which I think we can all agree is bs. If fourseasons accepts chef handing the 3 grand to an independent 3rd party then that seems fair. If he doesn't accept that offer, I call this a win for chef and the biggest L in the history of this forum for 4 seasons. maybe we can vote on it? lol.

Belo has a winner with his post above!

[The_Real_TCIII]

Shoot with a paintball. Problem solved. The next guy that buys the deer can get it out with some club soda


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[Five Seasons]

35 minutes ago, mowin said:

Exactly. 

What's to stop him from shooting a huge/wrong buck if there no repercussions?  I for one wouldn't trust anyone in this situation to follow the rules. 

 

31 minutes ago, mowin said:

If this was your hunting ranch, would you trust someone you don't know or ever met to hold the deposit?  

I understand chefs reluctance to pop down the money, but it's the owners of the ranch that have the most to loose.

Sounds like these guys are just rolling in it. $3k doesn't seem like it'd put them in the poor house, but clearly the 3rd party would have to be someone chef and fourseasons would feel is impartial and trustworthy, I saw biz volunteer. I'd volunteer as well but not sure fourseasons would be ok with that either. 

Even if chef shot the wrong buck, I don't see him taking it home without payment so there's obviously some deterrent there. Whats the point of shooting a 150 if you can't put it on your wall right?

[mowin]

49 minutes ago, Belo said:

 

Sounds like these guys are just rolling in it. $3k doesn't seem like it'd put them in the poor house, but clearly the 3rd party would have to be someone chef and fourseasons would feel is impartial and trustworthy, I saw biz volunteer. I'd volunteer as well but not sure fourseasons would be ok with that either. 

Even if chef shot the wrong buck, I don't see him taking it home without payment so there's obviously some deterrent there. Whats the point of shooting a 150 if you can't put it on your wall right?

Regardless if they are rolling in it or not. Would you as a business owner, allow someone you never met or know hold money. I highly doubt it. 

[ridgerunner88]

Well lets change this around then and take the $$$ out of it. 

@Four Seasonsclaims hunting on his property is as challenging or at least close to as challenging as regular properties.. how about one of you guys invite him out to your place and see if he can tag a buck, any buck in a 3 day weekend. I'll bring the beers and @Robhuntandfishcan cook us some of his delicious food. 

[mowin]

24 minutes ago, ridgerunner88 said:

Well lets change this around then and take the $$$ out of it. 

@Four Seasonsclaims hunting on his property is as challenging or at least close to as challenging as regular properties.. how about one of you guys invite him out to your place and see if he can tag a buck, any buck in a 3 day weekend. I'll bring the beers and @Robhuntandfishcan cook us some of his delicious food. 

Brisket? 

[Robhuntandfish]

1 hour ago, ridgerunner88 said:

Well lets change this around then and take the $$$ out of it. 

@Four Seasonsclaims hunting on his property is as challenging or at least close to as challenging as regular properties.. how about one of you guys invite him out to your place and see if he can tag a buck, any buck in a 3 day weekend. I'll bring the beers and @Robhuntandfishcan cook us some of his delicious food. 

for this event there would have to be an admission fee.  lol 

[Chef]

I think the money was asked for as a deposit because chef asked what would happen if he shot the wrong deer
 
 
oh I see four season answered
 
 
 

Answered or copped out. I think my offer of a 3rd party holder was fair


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[Chef]

Sounds like these guys are just rolling in it. $3k doesn't seem like it'd put them in the poor house, but clearly the 3rd party would have to be someone chef and fourseasons would feel is impartial and trustworthy, I saw biz volunteer. I'd volunteer as well but not sure fourseasons would be ok with that either. 
Even if chef shot the wrong buck, I don't see him taking it home without payment so there's obviously some deterrent there. Whats the point of shooting a 150 if you can't put it on your wall right?

Also who wouldn’t ask that question in my situation. It is a fair and valid question that should be asked before I went in there. The truth is not asking that question would be irresponsible. He should be comforted by the fact that I cared enough about his investment to ask


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[mowin]

15 minutes ago, Chef said:

Answered or copped out. I think my offer of a 3rd party holder was fair


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Fair?   Would you be willing to let a third party you never met or know hold money on a 3k wagyu beef sale? 

[The_Real_TCIII]

This feels like an elaborately trap. All these wealthy businessmen will end up hunting Chef


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[Five Seasons]

2 hours ago, mowin said:

Regardless if they are rolling in it or not. Would you as a business owner, allow someone you never met or know hold money. I highly doubt it. 

that goes both ways. Would you if you're chef allow a business you have no history with and who does business with an outstanding citizen like fourseason hold your 3 grand? The only answer is the 3rd party and that's to cover both sides of this "bet". 

Edited September 29, 2022 by Belo

[phade]

40 minutes ago, The_Real_TCIII said:

This feels like an elaborately trap. All these wealthy businessmen will end up hunting Chef


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Hostel came to mind.

[moog5050]

43 minutes ago, The_Real_TCIII said:

This feels like an elaborately trap. All these wealthy businessmen will end up hunting Chef


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You right, I saw this movie!  Only chef looked more like Ice-T

[Robhuntandfish]

50 minutes ago, The_Real_TCIII said:

This feels like an elaborately trap. All these wealthy businessmen will end up hunting Chef


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but will it still be high fence?