QDMA and CWD

[Four Season Whitetail's]

I guess I get it now. The DEC is completely wrong about CWD in this state. Even though there is no proof, it is running rampant through our deer herd. The DEC along with several well respected nonprofit conservation groups are all conspiring against us. The high fence industry who has millions to gain by spreading paranoia about CWD, are all just telling the truth and "schooling" the rest of us.

Even though physical signs that an animal has CWD exist, none of the deer live long enough to show them, not even one of them.

Even though CWD has yet to wipe out any states deer herd, it is going to happen because we let too many young buck walk. Therefore we should abandon all fair chase hunts and only fake hunt on deer farms.

This will lead to less money for nonprofit conservation groups trying to protect are natural wildlife, and more money for the all profit high fence industry. Which is good because remember, these nonprofit organizations despite following strict rules are pulling the wool over everyone's eyes including the governments. Luckily the high fence industry knows all about this and keeps us schooled.

It all makes sense now.

Listen i really dont care what you do or how you take your hunting. CWD is not doing any kind of real hurt on any herds in any states so thats not the issue. The issue is how one side tries to use it against the other when in fact they have no proof of how it even shows up in a deer in the first place. But the fact can be proven that they are doing their part to help spread it like everybody else. They try to keep their hands clean  But like i said. Its a little bit closer to our border now. Keep an eye to the sky..

[BizCT]

FSW and his self proclaimed "$20,000 - $80,000" per year business are irrelevant.

Who brags about that small amount of $?

Why do you guys keep feeding into him?

There is nothing else left to be said in this thread.

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[Four Season Whitetail's]

FSW and his self proclaimed "$20,000 - $80,000" per year business are irrelevant. Who brags about that small amount of $? Why do you guys keep feeding into him? There is nothing else left to be said in this thread. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I so agree...Just an fyi...Thats self proclaimed HOBBY PAY$    So i can pay for my own hunts! 

[BizCT]

I hope "Maxbo Extreme" dies.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Yeah, That's about the only reply you could use. Another fact for ya!

Yep because stating that forum posts are gospel is a complete joke. I'm not going to dignify your rants and rumblings with any response anymore. It's pointless to debate anything with deluded individuals.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

Yep because stating that forum posts are gospel is a complete joke. I'm not going to dignify your rants and rumblings with any response anymore. It's pointless to debate anything with deluded individuals.

Thank you. All you do is Deny,Deny,Deny. You should work for Joe. Facts are facts and the truth will be shown with every positive CWD deer that come down the line. Showing a post from paying members calling the QDMA out for not holding true to what they preach is gospel and in black and white 100% fact and truth yet you still deny. You are the one thats a little off the wall on that one.

 2 new cases reported in 2 days. On it roll's.

[Zag]

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[Doc]

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[G-Man]

Hasn't cwd been around (identified) since the 60's out west... who cares about it..deer are still here. And there...ehd is a bigger problem , as is habitat degradation from animal over population. Personally if you have a animal buisness, for scents/urine, great...I don't buy any so I don't support your endeavors. As for breeding for rack size your part of a much bigger problem... canned hunts,high fence or not, introducing new genetics to an area through releasing large racked bucks... keep conning the uneducated into thinking it helps and you are then part of the problem.with what's wrong in hunting and the media presentation of it today.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

Hasn't cwd been around (identified) since the 60's out west... who cares about it..deer are still here. And there...ehd is a bigger problem , as is habitat degradation from animal over population. Personally if you have a animal buisness, for scents/urine, great...I don't buy any so I don't support your endeavors. As for breeding for rack size your part of a much bigger problem... canned hunts,high fence or not, introducing new genetics to an area through releasing large racked bucks... keep conning the uneducated into thinking it helps and you are then part of the problem.with what's wrong in hunting and the media presentation of it today.

Yeah so tell that to the Wind Cave Operation where they dropped the fence on a CWD positive herd because..THEY OUT GREW THE PEN!  with a disease that was going to wipe everything out????? yeah Ok.  But to say make matters worse. They let untested CWD positive elk out of Wind Cave so the public hunters would have elk to hunt.   Now you tell me!

 

Or lets talk about the recent importation of non tested elk into the state of Missouri from possible infected herds? But they want to stop bringing in animals from 5,10,15 year tested herds.  Now you tell me. Does hypocrite come to mind?

 

If someone does not want to do something then dont do it but dont try and make choices for other people. And groups like QDMA that use disease to use against high fence when as you said yourself. has done nothing in 50 years, that shows their fear and their colors.

 

These people are all still sportsmen and gun owners and voters and if you dont think this fighting that breaks up us sportsmen and gun owners does not help the anti's and the Govt?  You better think again.  We will be our biggest downfall when the smoke clears on hunting and gun ownership!!!!   Believe what you want!

[Doewhacker]

 

These people are all still sportsmen !

 

 

In no way shape or form are people that shoot animals in a pen sporstmen.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

In no way shape or form are people that shoot animals in a pen sporstmen.

Yeah well some may say you are not very bright but whats that mean?   Their choice!  So a guy hunts deer on a 1000 acre ranch once a year is also is a super sportsmen licence holder and hunts every other game animal there is and donates his time to teach hunter safety courses and owns a lake fishing charter service and he not a sportsmen??  You write your own book! 

[G-Man]

The cwd was diagnosed in the 60's..its existed since we don't know when... like the flu in humans it can wipe us all out at any time but some seem to make it thru regardless. As for it being in a "captive" herd if known, I guess its up to the state to decide what should be done. I do not condone any wild animal being raised for profit, or genetic manipulation to bring out more desirable characteristics. I do not believe qdma believes in it as well their policy's of let them grow does nothing to genetics just allowing a deer to mature. By changing a deer's genetics thru selective breeding you may enhance a characteristic you want but can also be changing things you ccan't see, brain/body functions which can then be passed onto wild untouched herds creating more problems and un healthy game. As for these people being sportsmen as well, I don't see how a sportsman profits from game, those were known as market hunters.

[fasteddie]

In no way shape or form are people that shoot animals in a pen sporstmen.

 

Tell that to Jimmy Houston !

[Four Season Whitetail's]

The cwd was diagnosed in the 60's..its existed since we don't know when... like the flu in humans it can wipe us all out at any time but some seem to make it thru regardless. As for it being in a "captive" herd if known, I guess its up to the state to decide what should be done. I do not condone any wild animal being raised for profit, or genetic manipulation to bring out more desirable characteristics. I do not believe qdma believes in it as well their policy's of let them grow does nothing to genetics just allowing a deer to mature. By changing a deer's genetics thru selective breeding you may enhance a characteristic you want but can also be changing things you ccan't see, brain/body functions which can then be passed onto wild untouched herds creating more problems and un healthy game. As for these people being sportsmen as well, I don't see how a sportsman profits from game, those were known as market hunters.

Hey thats fine and you choice. You have that right.  The problem is by going against science and letting deer mature is spreading CWD and they support that.  You must also think that every cow,horse,pig,dog and every other animal that is bred by humans for different and better traits are taboo also?  Thats a stretch to try and use the brain and body thing.  But thats your choice if thats what you think and lets remember that this has been going on for eons with no problems.

 Fact is you have a problem with something and believe that anybody thinks different than you is. Well...Wrong

 I see the same thing goin on in the gun issue.                           And the separation continues! 

[Doewhacker]

Yeah well some may say you are not very bright but whats that mean?   Their choice!  So a guy hunts deer on a 1000 acre ranch once a year is also is a super sportsmen licence holder and hunts every other game animal there is and donates his time to teach hunter safety courses and owns a lake fishing charter service and he not a sportsmen??  You write your own book! 

 

Are you sure you want to go down the insult path with me?

 

 

There is zero sport in killing an animal inside a fence, period.

[phade]

Hey thats fine and you choice. You have that right.  The problem is by going against science and letting deer mature is spreading CWD and they support that.  You must also think that every cow,horse,pig,dog and every other animal that is bred by humans for different and better traits are taboo also?  Thats a stretch to try and use the brain and body thing.  But thats your choice if thats what you think and lets remember that this has been going on for eons with no problems.

 Fact is you have a problem with something and believe that anybody thinks different than you is. Well...Wrong

 I see the same thing goin on in the gun issue.                           And the separation continues! 

 

Did you just type that?

 

Guess you can add hypocrite to your list of characteristics as well.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

Are you sure you want to go down the insult path with me?

 

 

There is zero sport in killing an animal inside a fence, period.

Well you are the least of my worries first of all an second it was a point that many people think that but does it make them right.

 

I know many say there is no sport hunting a deer with more than 3 bullets in the gun. I know people that say there is zero sport to follow arond a pack of dogs until they run a animal up a tree and then you kill it.  Now there is alot of sport in that!  I could go on with high powered rifles and scopes and on and on.

 So what do you say to those...NON SPORTSMEN?

[Four Season Whitetail's]

Did you just type that?

 

Guess you can add hypocrite to your list of characteristics as well.

Wrong answer bub...We accept our part. Thats why our animals are 100% tested and yours are less that 0.05%.  Yeah Ok!!!

[G-Man]

Animal that are domesticated and bred for certain traits do have a multitude of problems, look at dog breeds hip displasia,certain dogs are bred for aggression/protection although they may be fine around their owners, some are bred to go down a rabbit hole and chase it out or chase deer or fox, horses ..thoroughbred for speed are snapping weakend legs in races and yet the breed them afterwards to pass on that speed to another generation making it weaker.genes are complicated a mutation that is selected naturally is much different than one bred for. Deer are not domesticated.

Perhaps cwd is more prevalent in older deer same as alsheimers in older people. Fact is game farms do not have domesticatd animals in them but creatures that if escaped can and do pass on genes to wild herds. And I may be wrong but looking at domesticated vs wild animal issues cattle vs buffalo for example.. a game farm that is breeding for profit is in fact a threat, if you were breeding to keep an endangered animal alive, or for scientific study I really wouldn't have a problem with it. But to profit from wild game and provide a hunt to a "sportsman" who maybe hunts wild game as well does not make you a sportsman or the hunter a sportsman or concervationist either.

[Doewhacker]

Well you are the least of my worries first of all an second it was a point that many people think that but does it make them right.

 

I know many say there is no sport hunting a deer with more than 3 bullets in the gun. I know people that say there is zero sport to follow arond a pack of dogs until they run a animal up a tree and then you kill it.  Now there is alot of sport in that!  I could go on with high powered rifles and scopes and on and on.

 So what do you say to those...NON SPORTSMEN?

 

 

Keep it up..

 

 

Fenced in pen hunting=NO sport. NOT sportsmen

[Culvercreek hunt club]

  Thats a stretch to try and use the brain and body thing.  But thats your choice if thats what you think and lets remember that this has been going on for eons with no problems.

 

Really? look at just what breeders have done in dog breeds when the desired end result was to manipulate the breeds and pump out puppies to meet a demand ($$$). Look at the heart problems in Setters. Hip Dysplasia  in multiple breeds. Spinal issues in the long breed like Dachshunds. The list goes on.

[phade]

English Bulldogs are a shell of what they were. They can't even birth naturally now.

 

And yes, you are a hypocrite on multiple levels in this thread alone. Any disagreement on anyone but your view is wrong regardless of input. Face it, you aren't even remotely any better than anyone else in this thread. Just come back to earth space cadet.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

Animal that are domesticated and bred for certain traits do have a multitude of problems, look at dog breeds hip displasia,certain dogs are bred for aggression/protection although they may be fine around their owners, some are bred to go down a rabbit hole and chase it out or chase deer or fox, horses ..thoroughbred for speed are snapping weakend legs in races and yet the breed them afterwards to pass on that speed to another generation making it weaker.genes are complicated a mutation that is selected naturally is much different than one bred for. Deer are not domesticated.

Perhaps cwd is more prevalent in older deer same as alsheimers in older people. Fact is game farms do not have domesticatd animals in them but creatures that if escaped can and do pass on genes to wild herds. And I may be wrong but looking at domesticated vs wild animal issues cattle vs buffalo for example.. a game farm that is breeding for profit is in fact a threat, if you were breeding to keep an endangered animal alive, or for scientific study I really wouldn't have a problem with it. But to profit from wild game and provide a hunt to a "sportsman" who maybe hunts wild game as well does not make you a sportsman or the hunter a sportsman or concervationist either.

Wow you really are stretching this breeding thing out. Been going on for years with no issues so to think one is going to pop up is a big stretch.  You say a game farm that breeds for profit is wrong?  Why might this be.  Because its somebody else enjoying a great business?  Remember...No demand= No business and business is booming in every state in the country.

 If you do a little research you will find where high fence whitetails have in fact been released to bring deer back into some states to improve herds!

 

Like i said in the last post. I could give you thousands of sportsmen that do not believe dogs are...Fair Chase. Lot of sportsmen ship there!

[Four Season Whitetail's]

English Bulldogs are a shell of what they were. They can't even birth naturally now.

 

And yes, you are a hypocrite on multiple levels in this thread alone. Any disagreement on anyone but your view is wrong regardless of input. Face it, you aren't even remotely any better than anyone else in this thread. Just come back to earth space cadet.

Funny Jack i have not seen you or anyone else put the blame for any of this but onto one place.  You prove what your part is. We prove ours everyday.  You didnt have answers days ago and still dont today You just point fingers, Well now in some areas of the hunting industry the finger will be pointed at you.