Baiting for deer

[Larry]

Baiting is illegal in this state end of discussion if you do it your a poacher.
Food plots are not habitat improvement. If you took money you spent on food plots and bought blight resistance chestnut trees that would be habitat improvement.
Yes you can carry a gun at night. See hunting reg's.

[PREDATE]

Unpressured deer are completely different animals than pressured ones.

so when sex crazed bucks are traveling miles in a day during mid November, do they care about pressure? My point is that food holds does and bucks of all sizes will actively seek them out. More than likely, most bucks will wind up in foriegn territory at some point completely unknowing of any danger. So saying that 2+ year old deer can't be taken over bait is absurd

[gjs4]

Baiting is for the lazy. That being said- I would have minerals all over and corn for sheds and post season pic collection. I would not hunt over it nor do I think that it is needed.

I also believe there are many of folks baiting already. If you disagree just go to random retailer- note quantities of bait for sale and leaving the store. Note trail cam pics. I haven't had a civil discussion with any pro gaiters who weren't playing already. Actually anyone who tries to label food plots baiting probably has more than 3 piles per hunting property

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[Bowshotmuzzleloader]

I live in housing tract there is a old house near me that has five large old apple trees, I have also grown up,and lived in this area my whole life... Every year the same thing happens around those trees a lot of early season activity and a few large good buck sightings, from everyone I know who hunts.. The apples fall from the tree not in one spot or a pile or all at once !!! The deer come at all different times and not on a schedule , the apples run out and the deer stop coming through that area less and less, Also there are years where apple trees do not produce the same amount of apples as the year before .. I have hunted this property before and it's not easy predicting where they will come in or to set up, wind , trees to set a stand etc.. Not the same as a bait pile which can be controlled and is unnatural.. I also hunt another property where there are so many scrub apples and corn that you could dump a pile of either and it wouldn't do you a bit of good cause the food is so plentiful.. To say hunting food plots or planting apple tree is the same as baiting is just plain absurd ... Planting a tree or food plot ,hunting natural food sources is what you do when you hunt deer!!! They move to eat, not exercise then you get lucky the big boy slips up and follows a doe somewhere he not supposed to be , and then goes and finds another that's when we shoot them.. I just bought ten acres and I am going to plant apple trees which I'm sure will be many years before they bear fruit, but maybe someday I will reap the benefits of it, if I'm lucky..

It always amuses me to find how passionate people become over deer hunting like they defending their kids ....just enjoy your time in the woods, and appreciate how lucky you are to be able to do it..

[Doc]

Good post.  To any of you that think your gonna throw a pile of corn out and your gonna tame those mature bucks to come in and your actually gonna kill a big buck over bait is that easy think again.  It is not that easy and believe me there is also methods to it just like any other hunting method. You could kill every 1.5 year old buck in the area just by throwing a pile of feed and hunting over it but that does not work for the big boys.....

I don't know why it would matter as to the age structure of deer that are attracted to bait. If you believe that baiting is an unfair advantage, why does anyone care whether it is a 1.5 year old or one of the "big boys"? Oh, and by the way, for those whose ethics are established by antler size, there is no shortage of photo and video evidence that shows plenty of those "big boys" munching down bait in full daylight .

 

[nyantler]

 

Actually, there are a whole lot of differences between plotting and baiting. Hard though it may be to believe, some plotting is being done strictly as a habitat improvement. Also, there is a big difference in difficulty between hunting over a 6' diameter pile of bait, vs. a 1/4 to 3 acre or larger field with dozens of entry and exit spots. This is a real important distinction particularly with bowhunting. Also, baiting allows the chemist to get into the act, with unlimited inventions of more and more effective concoctions. Also, I have read about some of these timed bait broadcasting feeders acting like a dinner bell to the point where you even get a sense of "When" the deer will be getting on the scene. Another big difference regards the practicality of enforcement. Imagine the legal quagmire that would result trying to differentiate between legitimate ag activity and that special small field back in the woods. On the other hand, a bait pile is a bait pile. very easy to define, identify and with very little question as to intent. So the bottom line is that food plots and baiting are very different things.

 

I would contend that very few food plots are created with habitat improvement as the main motive for planting... unless done by a conservation organization or the state... the peaked interest in food plotting was started by hunters looking to attract animals and hold them on the property with the intention of hunting near or over those food plot areas... in most habitats.. enhancement or replanting of already present food sources would serve the deer populations just as well as introducing acres and acres of crop type foods known to attract and hold deer. I don't think anyone can deny that food plotting is beneficial to deer... but it would not exist at it's current level unless it served deer hunters... we need to start calling things what they are and stop hiding from the truth about why food plotting has become so popular... like you, I don't think I would go as far as to say it is the same as baiting.

[HUNTINGS IN MY DNA]

Of course I agree with you but it's known that creating food plots are beneficial to the wildlife turkey deer exc.... It all adds to conservation growing bigger and healthier animals and harvesting them

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[Culvercreek hunt club]

Baiting is illegal in this state end of discussion if you do it your a poacher.

Food plots are not habitat improvement. If you took money you spent on food plots and bought blight resistance chestnut trees that would be habitat improvement.

Yes you can carry a gun at night. See hunting reg's.

Did you even read the original post Doc made to start this thread?

[Doc]

I would contend that very few food plots are created with habitat improvement as the main motive for planting... unless done by a conservation organization or the state... the peaked interest in food plotting was started by hunters looking to attract animals and hold them on the property with the intention of hunting near or over those food plot areas... in most habitats.. enhancement or replanting of already present food sources would serve the deer populations just as well as introducing acres and acres of crop type foods known to attract and hold deer. I don't think anyone can deny that food plotting is beneficial to deer... but it would not exist at it's current level unless it served deer hunters... we need to start calling things what they are and stop hiding from the truth about why food plotting has become so popular... like you, I don't think I would go as far as to say it is the same as baiting.

You will seldom find anyone willing to admit that their food plotting efforts and expenditures are anything but benevolent acts of concern for nature's benefit......lol. I have suspicions that align more closely with yours, but for the sake of giving all these people the benefit of the doubt, I chose not to highlight my suspicions. The one thing that makes plotting far more palatable than baiting is the beneficial side effects, and they are significant. 

 

Food plotting is something that I have avoided because of my aversion to "conditioning" wild deer to make my hunting easier. That is a personal hang-up that I do not expect others to abide by, but is just something to further distance my hunting from livestock manipulation. But I have no problems with those that enjoy that activity ...... As long as it doesn't impact my own hunting (and so far it hasn't).

[WNYBuckHunter]

so when sex crazed bucks are traveling miles in a day during mid November, do they care about pressure? My point is that food holds does and bucks of all sizes will actively seek them out. More than likely, most bucks will wind up in foriegn territory at some point completely unknowing of any danger. So saying that 2+ year old deer can't be taken over bait is absurd

 

Yes, they still react to pressure, though not as much as they usually do. The does will react to pressure and take the bucks with them. Who said that a 2 1/2 year old buck CANT be taken over bait? Absolutely they can, but its not some kind of magic bullet like some are making it out to be. The point I was getting at is that comparing deer activity in NY to that in the midwest or some super managed ranch is not even a fair comparison.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Oooooo yea another 30 pages of quoting wars... Involving ,, What the same 5 people lmao, No wayyy I would have never guessed !!!

 

If you dont use the quotes, its hard to tell what someone is responding to. If people werent discussing topics, the site wouldnt last long....just sayin...

[WNYBuckHunter]

I would contend that very few food plots are created with habitat improvement as the main motive for planting... unless done by a conservation organization or the state... the peaked interest in food plotting was started by hunters looking to attract animals and hold them on the property with the intention of hunting near or over those food plot areas... in most habitats.. enhancement or replanting of already present food sources would serve the deer populations just as well as introducing acres and acres of crop type foods known to attract and hold deer. I don't think anyone can deny that food plotting is beneficial to deer... but it would not exist at it's current level unless it served deer hunters... we need to start calling things what they are and stop hiding from the truth about why food plotting has become so popular... like you, I don't think I would go as far as to say it is the same as baiting.

 

I agree. Would I be putting in plots if I didnt hunt? No, I probably wouldnt even know what one was if i didnt hunt lol. I hunt Ag country, lots of food for the deer here, we put plots in for a few reasons. 1, it helps hold and attract deer to our property by providing quality food, which helps the deer's health, and in turn helps with fawn production, bigger antlers and more MEAT. 2, its fun for us to play "farmer" a bit, and gives us something else to do during the off season. 3, it helps out other species, like turkey, etc.

[Five Seasons]

If you dont use the quotes, its hard to tell what someone is responding to. If people werent discussing topics, the site wouldnt last long....just sayin...

 

exactly. I love the guy who comes into a thread about hunting on a hunting forum to bitch about it.

[skully]

Baiting is for the lazy. That being said- I would have minerals all over and corn for sheds and post season pic collection. I would not hunt over it nor do I think that it is needed.

I also believe there are many of folks baiting already. If you disagree just go to random retailer- note quantities of bait for sale and leaving the store. Note trail cam pics. I haven't had a civil discussion with any pro gaiters who weren't playing already. Actually anyone who tries to label food plots baiting probably has more than 3 piles per hunting property

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Lazy.  Then your not doing it right.  Do you know how much energy and time it takes to carry 400Lbs of corn and sweetfeed a half of mile??????????????

[WNYBuckHunter]

LMAO

[gjs4]

You don't use your quad aka gun rest?

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[HuntOrBeHunted]

exactly. I love the guy who comes into a thread about hunting on a hunting forum to bitch about it.

 

 

 

But it makes it wayyyy better that your bitching about other people bitching right lmao !!!??

[crappyice]

This is not my situation but lets play this out since we can do better than 10 ages!

You have 25 acres that borders public land in Conneticut where baiting is legal prior to the season(I think all bait must be removed prior to hunting season- correct me if I am wrong) . Would you dump your bait on the Ct side and sit/hunt your proprty in NY?

[BizCT]

This is not my situation but lets play this out since we can do better than 10 ages!

You have 25 acres that borders public land in Conneticut where baiting is legal prior to the season(I think all bait must be removed prior to hunting season- correct me if I am wrong) . Would you dump your bait on the Ct side and sit/hunt your proprty in NY?

I believe there are 2 units in CT where you can hunt over bait all season long. 1 of the units is either all or most of Fairfield County

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[Culvercreek hunt club]

I believe there are 2 units in CT where you can hunt over bait all season long. 1 of the units is either all or most of Fairfield County

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most of the areas along the coast you can.

[nyantler]

 

You will seldom find anyone willing to admit that their food plotting efforts and expenditures are anything but benevolent acts of concern for nature's benefit......lol. I have suspicions that align more closely with yours, but for the sake of giving all these people the benefit of the doubt, I chose not to highlight my suspicions. The one thing that makes plotting far more palatable than baiting is the beneficial side effects, and they are significant. 

 

Food plotting is something that I have avoided because of my aversion to "conditioning" wild deer to make my hunting easier. That is a personal hang-up that I do not expect others to abide by, but is just something to further distance my hunting from livestock manipulation. But I have no problems with those that enjoy that activity ...... As long as it doesn't impact my own hunting (and so far it hasn't).

I whole heartedly agree... I only chose to make the point because it is one of the things that has turned me off about the QDM movement.. I don't like the emphasis being put on food plotting for attracting and holding whitetails on a property... I too like to distance myself from the concept of livestock manipulation... it just seems unnatural from a hunting standpoint... even though I know it can be beneficial in some habitats

[nyantler]

I agree. Would I be putting in plots if I didnt hunt? No, I probably wouldnt even know what one was if i didnt hunt lol. I hunt Ag country, lots of food for the deer here, we put plots in for a few reasons. 1, it helps hold and attract deer to our property by providing quality food, which helps the deer's health, and in turn helps with fawn production, bigger antlers and more MEAT. 2, its fun for us to play "farmer" a bit, and gives us something else to do during the off season. 3, it helps out other species, like turkey, etc.

There was a time I thought I liked the idea of food plots for attracting deer too... but for some reason it never seemed to sit well with me... I don't begrudge anyone else that enjoys it though... I'm convinced that some of my current personal hunting rules are arrived from some terrible mental problem I think I developed after I turned 50,,,lol

[Doc]

I don't really get too excited about others getting involved in food plotting, unless their aim is to pull deer off a neighbor's property. No, legally there's nothing wrong with that idea, but there feels like something very wrong with one hunter trying to do that to another hunter. I have not encountered that situation where I am, but just like the potential of baiting wars, I can see food plot wars ..... lol. Those things are not attitudes that I like to see flourishing in hunting. It has led to a term that came to me called "deer hoarding". Sure the aggrieved neighbor can always retaliate with a super-food plot of his own. Is that kind of neighborly competition really a good thing? I suppose it's great for the deer ..... lol.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

I don't really get too excited about others getting involved in food plotting, unless their aim is to pull deer off a neighbor's property. No, legally there's nothing wrong with that idea, but there feels like something very wrong with one hunter trying to do that to another hunter. I have not encountered that situation where I am, but just like the potential of baiting wars, I can see food plot wars ..... lol. Those things are not attitudes that I like to see flourishing in hunting. It has led to a term that came to me called "deer hoarding". Sure the aggrieved neighbor can always retaliate with a super-food plot of his own. Is that kind of neighborly competition really a good thing? I suppose it's great for the deer ..... lol.

I guess that way of thinking could go right along with leasing land from a group of hunters. If you dont think we live in a dog eat dog world where the biggest way of thinking is me,me,me then i believe you will be shocked to see where we..Hunting..will be in a few short years.

 

I think baiting will be the least of our worries!

[Doc]

I guess that way of thinking could go right along with leasing land from a group of hunters. If you dont think we live in a dog eat dog world where the biggest way of thinking is me,me,me then i believe you will be shocked to see where we..Hunting..will be in a few short years.

 

That may well be true, but I don't have to like it .... or promote it .... or support it ... or get involved in it. Generally speaking, we keep pretty good relationship between neighbors in my area, and like I said there is none of this deer hoarding attitude here.....yet. Food plots are not really an issue because most of the neighbors here are not interested in the time and expense of such things. However, if baiting were to be legalized, who knows what kinds of mentality might come along with those fancy bait distribution contraptions .... lol.