What happened to the Xbow inclusion thread?

[ATbuckhunter]

I see this post having the same fate as the crossbow post

[ApexerER]

Well...I created the thread and it doesn't show at all in my history..hmmm was it all a bad dream?

[LJC]

33 minutes ago, zeus1gdsm said:

After seeing my gun only hunting buddy pick up a new crossbow and drill quarter sized groups at 40yards with a stock sniper 370. He had assembled it wrong and I had to reassemble it for him. he shot like that with no prior experience. 2 shots to dial in at 20 yards.
I immediately understood why people are against it.

I work all summer almost every day on form, muscle memory and shooting balance to not even get groups that good.

There is a skill in compound hunting not as much as traditional or recurve obviously.

I feel that extra practice and dedication is deserving of special time.

That said I'd be okay with the season being split down the middle. And you can bet I'll be getting a crossbow to use during the crossbow only season.

I see the crossbow as a much better and precise tool. Why use a hand screwdriver when I can use a drill.



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No good there to easy to  use  to many guys will get out there with them  and come gun season it will be slim picking all the deer will be spooked off . 

It will mess up archery season and gun season .

Edited October 28, 2016 by LJC

[stubby68]

Might want to go Chech where and when I have used that term.I do not call now hunters elitist anything except cry babies. The only time I use that term is in response to a bow hunter already using. I have never said it other then repeating of quoting one of you.  So leave me out of your little giddy fit.

[Bowshotmuzzleloader]

5 minutes ago, LJC said:

No good there to easy use  to many guys will get out there with them  and come gun season it will be slim picking all the deer will be spooked off . 

It will mess up archery season and gun season 

Ok how will it mess up each season ??? If a hunter shoots a deer with A crossbow that's going to mess up gun season,,, this is such a messed up statement in so many ways,, it would be no different than if he had be sitting in his stand with a compound... if you are trying to say because he had a crossbow and was able to take the deer instead of because he couldn't do it with a compound and took your deer for gun season well than I understand your motive for this post...

LOL and LOL

 

[LJC]

46 minutes ago, moog5050 said:

Not necessarily true.  I would be just fine with full inclusion although I have no plans to shoot one.   

Really and then maybe you can give us you address of the private property  you hunt on and let's see how you injoy the extra hunters there . Like I will injoy the already over hunted public lands I hunt on with  all those exstra  xbow  guys that show up  . Lol 

[stoneam2006]

Really and then maybe you can give us you address of the private property  you hunt on and let's see how you injoy the extra hunters there . Like I will injoy the already over hunted public lands I hunt on with  all those exstra  xbow  guys that show up  . Lol 

Your point is not valid I hunt as much stateland as anyone here all season practice all season shoot very well with compound and I am pro xbow so it's not a valid argument just bc you don't want the extra guys to make your hunt harder lol

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[LJC]

10 minutes ago, Bowshotmuzzleloader said:

Ok how will it mess up each season ??? If a hunter shoots a deer with A crossbow that's going to mess up gun season,,, this is such a messed up statement in so many ways,, it would be no different than if he had be sitting in his stand with a compound... if you are trying to say because he had a crossbow and was able to take the deer instead of because he couldn't do it with a compound and took your deer for gun season well than I understand your motive for this post...

LOL and LOL

 

They only give out so many dmp permits more deer  killed by crossbows will mean less dmp permits in gun season .

Because they definitely are going to be alot more hunters in the woods for archery 

[moog5050]

18 minutes ago, stubby68 said:

Might want to go Chech where and when I have used that term.I do not call now hunters elitist anything except cry babies. The only time I use that term is in response to a bow hunter already using. I have never said it other then repeating of quoting one of you.  So leave me out of your little giddy fit.

Lol - how bad is your memory.   

[moog5050]

14 minutes ago, LJC said:

Really and then maybe you can give us you address of the private property  you hunt on and let's see how you injoy the extra hunters there . Like I will injoy the already over hunted public lands I hunt on with  all those exstra  xbow  guys that show up  . Lol 

Or you could work to buy your own property to "injoy" and then exclude all the xbow hunters.  This is not an issue of land access it's about the implement used.   Period.  

[BigVal]

I could live with full inclusion though I prefer things the way they are. Lots of bickering going on all to say that an xbow is not nearly the same as a vertical bow in terms of hunting capabilities. Yes it has a string yes it shoots an arrow like projectile. Give a new guy an x bow and a compound or recurve it would be funny to watch the first shots with verticles (in most cases) and repetitive decent groups with no problems coming from Ann xbow. Yep that's a good thing if the only point is to have more proficient shots for people who aren't capable of proficient shots with vertical bows. They could be eventually and that to me is what archery season is. A time for those who are able to BOW hunt are in he woods doing so. With all that said there's plenty of argument either way and I do believe that we'll be seeing inclusion eventually. Doesent mean I will support it fully.

[wooly]

Does anyone remember which side was leading in the poll..?

That's the team I wanna be on this week!

 

[LJC]

8 minutes ago, stoneam2006 said:

 

Your point is not valid I hunt as much stateland as anyone here all season practice all season shoot very well with compound and I am pro xbow so it's not a valid argument just bc you don't want the extra guys to make your hunt harder lol

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[LJC]

21 minutes ago, moog5050 said:

Or you could work to buy your own property to "injoy" and then exclude all the xbow hunters.  This is not an issue of land access it's about the implement used.   Period.  

Are you joking me if you are hunting private land it  does not matter one way or the other nobody is going to go hunt there .

It only makes  a difference if your hunting on public land because we have to deal with the exstra hunting pressure  there you don't .  Nobody in there right mind who just hunts public and only wants to use a bow wants more guys there . Lol its that simple . 

Edited October 28, 2016 by LJC

[Bowshotmuzzleloader]

27 minutes ago, LJC said:

They only give out so many dmp permits more deer  killed by crossbows will mean less dmp permits in gun season .

Because they definitely are going to be alot more hunters in the woods for archery 

Yep just like gun season and those always get filled ... nothing will change you still have to be in the woods on stand and just in case your wondering crossbows are not deer magnets or long range shooting equipment...

ok so I see your point now if all inclusion happens then all the DMPs will be filled and your gun season will be ruined ,,, Let me guess your voting for the Donald ...

 

[Bowshotmuzzleloader]

12 minutes ago, wooly said:

Does anyone remember which side was leading in the poll..?

That's the team I wanna be on this week!

 

I vote for your dog with the Miller lite !!!!

cool pic ...

[fasteddie]

13 minutes ago, wooly said:

Does anyone remember which side was leading in the poll..?

That's the team I wanna be on this week!

 

I believe the choice on top -- Full Inclusion was way ahead .

I bought a cross bow on a whim . I will give it a try . But .... I am not for Full Inclusion .

I don't fight it , nor do I support it . Maybe when I get old and decrepit I might change my mind but I am only 75 . 

[LJC]

9 minutes ago, fasteddie said:

I believe the choice on top -- Full Inclusion was way ahead .

I bought a cross bow on a whim . I will give it a try . But .... I am not for Full Inclusion .

I don't fight it , nor do I support it . Maybe when I get old and decrepit I might change my mind but I am only 75 . 

All the gun hunter voted yes of course lol

No brainer lol 

[stubby68]

33 minutes ago, moog5050 said:

Lol - how bad is your memory.   

Mine is fine. If you find something where I called a bow hunter elitist, go back a few posts before that and you will find it was in reference to a bow hunter already using it. Or one stated how you needed special skills and dedication to be a bow hunter.  In fact my memory is so good I can remember not even being in this till you opened your yap and brought me in.

[stoneam2006]

Yep just like gun season and those always get filled ... nothing will change you still have to be in the woods on stand and just in case your wondering crossbows are not deer magnets or long range shooting equipment...
ok so I see your point now if all inclusion happens then all the DMPs will be filled and your gun season will be ruined ,,, Let me guess your voting for the Donald ...
 

God I hope you are voting for him too

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[Bowshotmuzzleloader]

6 minutes ago, LJC said:

All the gun hunter voted yes of course lol

No brainer lol 

I've been bowhunting for almost 30 years,,, I'm also an avid gun hunter and by the end of bow season Im glad to put my bow away,,, full inclusion wouldn't also mean I would stop bow hunting as it would for many other people,, but it certainly wouldn't bother me to hunt with my son a hundred yards away with a crossbow if he so chooses,,, or maybe he would shoot my deer out from under me with his crossbow gun ... LOL if he had any tags left ...

[zeus1gdsm]

Just a thought..... But could a full inclusion of crossbow be detrimental for the deer pop in general? Bow hunting takes place primarily pre rut.

Could a huge increase in deer takings prior to rut lead to a further reduced deer population due to a lack of deer to repopulate during the rut. to maintain current numbers?

I could see this at my property where the neighbors blast anything with hooves and go out 6 guys at a time each weekend. Lots of yearlings taken each year.


I think we all agree more open crossbow access will put alot more hunters in the field.

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[Bowshotmuzzleloader]

14 minutes ago, zeus1gdsm said:

Just a thought..... But could a full inclusion of crossbow be detrimental for the deer pop in general? Bow hunting takes place primarily pre rut.

Could a huge increase in deer takings prior to rut lead to a further reduced deer population due to a lack of deer to repopulate during the rut. to maintain current numbers?

I could see this at my property where the neighbors blast anything with hooves and go out 6 guys at a time each weekend. Lots of yearlings taken each year.


I think we all agree more open crossbow access will put alot more hunters in the field.

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I'm not so sure that's the case,,,it may make more bow hunters switch IMO but a decent crossbow is still the same cost as a decent huntable bow,, so what the thought pattern to why so many more will pick up the sport they still have to incur the cost... 

Acutaully the real issue I with crossbows is they are not clearly defined by our screwed up DEC as to what they really are ,,, which is a string and a stick not a firearm and if inclusion  where to take place a bow hunting / crossbow course should be mandatory not some silly signed piece of paper in the big game book...

[LJC]

54 minutes ago, zeus1gdsm said:

Just a thought..... But could a full inclusion of crossbow be detrimental for the deer pop in general? Bow hunting takes place primarily pre rut.

Could a huge increase in deer takings prior to rut lead to a further reduced deer population due to a lack of deer to repopulate during the rut. to maintain current numbers?

I could see this at my property where the neighbors blast anything with hooves and go out 6 guys at a time each weekend. Lots of yearlings taken each year.


I think we all agree more open crossbow access will put alot more hunters in the field.

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That's what I am saying  exactly my point  .     And probably more poching as well 

Edited October 29, 2016 by LJC

[LJC]

57 minutes ago, Bowshotmuzzleloader said:

I've been bowhunting for almost 30 years,,, I'm also an avid gun hunter and by the end of bow season Im glad to put my bow away,,, full inclusion wouldn't also mean I would stop bow hunting as it would for many other people,, but it certainly wouldn't bother me to hunt with my son a hundred yards away with a crossbow if he so chooses,,, or maybe he would shoot my deer out from under me with his crossbow gun ... LOL if he had any tags left ...

What's wrong with the way it is,now it works it's not broken so leave it alone