LIVE From The Woods 2018 - Lets hear stories and see some pictures!

[upstate]

6 minutes ago, goosifer said:

And to top it off, it's going to rain in the morning. Regardless, I am not going to continue searching for it. I understand this (self-inflictedly) denigrates me on the board. I am sorry to disappoint you guys. One last question: if I were to find it tomorrow, and it's been eaten by coyotes, do I still have to tag it? If so, can I get a subsequent replacement tag?

If you take the deer, and its been eaten, you still need to tag it, I believe, but that doesn't matter to me. I'd still want to know. Deer are incredibly resilient and you won't know what happened until you actually find it. 

Learn from it. We all have made mistakes. 

 

 

[8s or Better HC]

43 minutes ago, goosifer said:

The problem is the blood trail just stopped. We looked for over 30 minutes trying to find the next spot of blood. Nothing. And coincidentally, the trail ends right where my property abuts two neighbors (one's on top of the other, so the property lines look like a "T") for which I would need to ask permission. Lastly, I have a bit of a coyote issue on that part of the property, and I fully expect the carcass to be picked clean by morning. (That's what happened to my hunting buddy's deer last year.) So, for those reasons, I abandoned the search. Is that generally considered to be an unethical thing to do?

Call a k9 to search, they are all over the state.  We used one last year and I learned a lot and they are so helpful.  Costs nothing to do it and no need for blood, the dog tracks the scent from foot glands. Best part is he calls in to DEC and can track into neighbors property, if anyone calls in to report poachers they already know who it is.

its worth the try, you shot it, you should find it

[goosifer]

1 minute ago, Taylormike said:

I try not to tell people what to do.  Since you've asked questions I'll give my two cents.  One of the top rules: do not push a deer. If it's a good hit wait 2-3 hours, if it's a poor hit, wait a minimum if 6-8.  Sometimes a liver takes 12 hours or more.

You know, I think that was a mistake I made. In retrospect, along the blood trail there were several spots where the blood was heavy in like a 4" circle. That must of been where it was laying down and we pushed it. To make it worse, the light bulb didn't go off that it was a liver hit until we were well on the trail. Shameful. May others learn from my mistakes.

I do think, though, that even if we hadn't pushed it, we may have ultimately ended up with a blood trail that ended with a deer, but the deer wouldn't have been intact.

[goosifer]

1 minute ago, 8s or Better HC said:

Call a k9 to search, they are all over the state.  We used one last year and I learned a lot and they are so helpful.  Costs nothing to do it and no need for blood, the dog tracks the scent from foot glands. Best part is he calls in to DEC and can track into neighbors property, if anyone calls in to report poachers they already know who it is.

its worth the try, you shot it, you should find it

OK, if deer search can facilitate property access, I'm willing to give that a shot. Thank you for pointing that out.

[Water Rat]

Congrats WNY Bowhunter .... that’s a fantastic buck with really nice G2’s. I’d probably have a heart attack trying to drag that to my truck. Well done !

[Taylormike]

1 minute ago, goosifer said:

OK, if deer search can facilitate property access, I'm willing to give that a shot. Thank you for pointing that out.

They can't go onto a neighboring property unless permission is granted.

[Hock3y24]

3 minutes ago, goosifer said:

OK, if deer search can facilitate property access, I'm willing to give that a shot. Thank you for pointing that out.

You need to ask for permission, also 30 minutes looking for blood is about 2-3 hours not long enough imo. People have already pointed out the mistakes that you can learn from so I won’t. But at least knock on a door or use the phone book and give it a shot.

[8s or Better HC]

1 minute ago, Taylormike said:

They can't go onto a neighboring property unless permission is granted.

The dog takes priority in this, if it tracks passed a property line , he absolutely can stay with the dog.. it’s proper to ask neighbor first but if unavailable doesn’t mean you don’t go track a dying deer.  They can’t track unless they call in first.

at least thisis how it was explained to me

[Jdubs]

2 hours ago, WNY Bowhunter said:

BBD @ 3:15...

Congrats WNY!!  What an awesome buck; he had to be tops on your target list.  Looking forward to hearing the story about your hunt!

[Taylormike]

1 minute ago, 8s or Better HC said:

The dog takes priority in this, if it tracks passed a property line , he absolutely can stay with the dog.. it’s proper to ask neighbor first but if unavailable doesn’t mean you don’t go track a dying deer.  They can’t track unless they call in first.

at least thisis how it was explained to me

Unfortunately , you are incorrect.  Land owner has complete authority to grant or deny such request.

[goosifer]

1 minute ago, 8s or Better HC said:

The dog takes priority in this, if it tracks passed a property line , he absolutely can stay with the dog.. it’s proper to ask neighbor first but if unavailable doesn’t mean you don’t go track a dying deer.  They can’t track unless they call in first.

at least thisis how it was explained to me

 

https://www.deersearchwny.org/services.html website states "It is the hunter’s responsibility to obtain permission from the landowner prior to any tracking." I will try to contact the landowner's in the morning for permission.

[grampy]

9 minutes ago, goosifer said:

OK, if deer search can facilitate property access, I'm willing to give that a shot. Thank you for pointing that out.

Deer Search will not go on any property that permission has not been granted.

I will not pile on here. But there is so many things about this, that really should be reflected upon, and learned from.

[TreeGuy]

Goosifer. What town are you in ? I'm willing to come help tonight

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[TreeGuy]

WNY. Awesome buck. Love when you have pics / history and it all comes together !!

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[8s or Better HC]

3 minutes ago, TreeGuy said:

Goosifer. What town are you in ? I'm willing to come help tonight

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You’re a good man, hope he’s close, let us know if it works out

Edited November 9, 2018 by 8s or Better HC

[8s or Better HC]

Good man!  

[goosifer]

3 minutes ago, TreeGuy said:

Goosifer. What town are you in ? I'm willing to come help tonight

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Porter (Youngstown), Niagara County, NY. Until/unless I get landowner permission, can't continue the search anyway. But thank you, TreeGuy, I appreciate the offer of help.

[TreeGuy]

Do you know the neighbors ? Is it posted ? I have onX maps that gives landowner info. Are you 100% certain deer didn't double back ? Are you 100% sure it went on to neighbors ?

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[grampy]

6 minutes ago, TreeGuy said:

Goosifer. What town are you in ? I'm willing to come help tonight

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This is what being a true sportsman is all about. My hat is off to you sir.

[TreeGuy]

Porter is 1hr. Lmk and I'm on my way.

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[TreeGuy]

This is what being a true sportsman is all about. My hat is off to you sir.

Put your hat back on, I'm sure there's a long line of willing participants in the room !

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[goosifer]

Just now, TreeGuy said:

Do you know the neighbors ? Is it posted ? I have onX maps that gives landowner info. Are you 100% certain deer didn't double back ? Are you 100% sure it went on to neighbors ?

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No.
No.
Have landowner names, working on getting phone numbers.
Given where it went, pretty sure it didn't double back. It is the traditional sanctuary area.
Blood trail ends near property line, so to continue the search would most likely require going on neighbor's property. It's all wild country back there. Not like there are fences or markers or anything. I had to look on onX to see if we were still on my property when following the blood trail.

[grampy]

3 minutes ago, TreeGuy said:

Put your hat back on, I'm sure there's a long line of willing participants in the room !

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I've always had respect for you Andrew. Always will my friend.

[grampy]

2 minutes ago, goosifer said:

No.
No.
Have landowner names, working on getting phone numbers.
Given where it went, pretty sure it didn't double back. It is the traditional sanctuary area.
Blood trail ends near property line, so to continue the search would most likely require going on neighbor's property. It's all wild country back there. Not like there are fences or markers or anything. I had to look on onX to see if we were still on my property when following the blood trail.

You need to buck up and do everything you possibly can to find that deer! That is the ethical thing to do as the hunter, that pulled the trigger on this animal.

You have someone with the experience, kindly willing to help you. Take advantage of every opportunity. 

[TreeGuy]

No.
No.
Have landowner names, working on getting phone numbers.
Given where it went, pretty sure it didn't double back. It is the traditional sanctuary area.
Blood trail ends near property line, so to continue the search would most likely require going on neighbor's property. It's all wild country back there. Not like there are fences or markers or anything. I had to look on onX to see if we were still on my property when following the blood trail.

Gotcha. I have to go to a wake tomorrow so I cant be much help, but I think it's worth a look. Liver shot is a dead deer. If you aimed any higher than low heart, you most likely have a high hit since he prob dropped with the far shot. Both liver and high hits typically don't have great blood trails. Usually drips. Liver shot deer want to bed within 100. If you bumped him he prob only went another 100 or so. If I had to guess, you might have hit high liver and the lack of blood/ why you lost it is because he was running. You may want to focus on finding hoof tracks Vs blood till you get back on it. If you want any kind of assistance you can pm me and I'll give you my cell. If not, this forum is loaded with knowledge to help with recovery. If you can, get a dog out there cause they have the nose and any tracker would be willing to go after a liver hit deer.

Im hoping you consider the fact you took the shot and wounded, and that buck deserves every effort to be recovered. Coyote bait or not, my .02 is you owe it to the deer.


Good luck !!!!

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