THE DEC HAS RELEASED THE 2018 DEER HARVEST REPORT

[Larry]

The DEC has released the 2018 deer harvest report seeing it is a PDF file you will have to down load it from the DEC web site.

[Steve D]

Thanks

https://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/wildlife_pdf/2018deerrpt.pdf

[The_Real_TCIII]

Looks like we did pretty well for ourselves

[dbHunterNY]

i look at them as estimates and not exact numbers to take to the grave it does paint the picture in each aggregate or WMU though.  it's interesting that the chance of seeing a 3.5 yr old buck is at least double in most WMUs when comparing to a handful of others.  also when comparing the harvest ratio you know some areas having to have a really good buck age structure then others.  if you save each years to look at you can notice what areas really produce a lot of deer and what areas simply held back less that year with letting the lead fly.  i'm really beginning to like how they are presenting the info now.

also it's crazy to be involved with such a large QDM co-op and others in the same WMU and know what the trend is before DEC publishes it. lol

[The_Real_TCIII]

How do they know how many bucks were 2.5+?

[The_Real_TCIII]

Just now, The_Real_TCIII said:

How do they know how many bucks were 2.5+?

Nevermind I just saw where they use the % of the 15,000 deer they checked

[dbHunterNY]

9 minutes ago, The_Real_TCIII said:

How do they know how many bucks were 2.5+?

 

8 minutes ago, The_Real_TCIII said:

Nevermind I just saw where they use the % of the 15,000 deer they checked

they survey what they can get their hands on at meat cutters, taxidermists shops, voluntary check stations, the rare public land temporary check stations, etc that make up that 15,000 if that's the number. as of a couple years ago they have a slip the size of a diner order slip that had all kinds of data to record, one being age. many DEC techs are somewhat trained on tooth wear and replacement of the lower jawbone. i can vouch that many are really good but some couldn't age a deer if their lives depended on it.  problem i see is since DEC has been plugging the whole voluntary "let young bucks go and watch them grow" they've been more excepting of pooling data from taxidermists and especially QDM co-ops, where as before they didn't want to because they claimed it'd skew the data sample collected. QDM co-ops have extremely low numbers of yearling and in some cases young buck harvests.

[Nomad]

Hey now DB , they aged my buck at 3 1/2 I’m going with that ! , even though I thought simply by size 2 1/2 . Who am I to,question them .....

[dbHunterNY]

10 minutes ago, Stay at home Nomad said:

Hey now DB , they aged my buck at 3 1/2 I’m going with that ! , even though I thought simply by size 2 1/2 . Who am I to,question them .....

like i said some are pretty good. we have some on the co-op every year that get taken. people assume 2.5 but when pulling jawbone they're older. we usually send in those teeth to the lab with others if we're stumped. usually even an older deer with a "scrub" rack will have good mass.

at the same time, i've known of some techs that stuck their finger in the mouth and by feel aged the deer, one said 15 yrs old for a doe. respectfully keep your comments to yourself, but starting at close to 8.5 the teeth will all be flattened smooth! lol  also aging hundreds of jawbones each year most have the lingual crests (pointed ends) chipped off.

[dbHunterNY]

This 90+" buck from this past season taken on the farm was assumed to be 2.5 or 3.5 based on smaller size in body and rack but when pulling jaw it seemed a bit older. We'll see if the lab results come back and match the tooth wear.




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[BizCT]

My dad killed 1 of 419 bucks in 3N


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[BizCT]

According to 2018 kill stats. 8R has 16 deer per square mile. That's nuts. 3N is 3.1, so I would see 5 times as many deer in 8R


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[Hunter007]

1 minute ago, Biz-R-OWorld said:

According to 2018 kill stats. 8R has 16 deer per square mile. That's nuts. 3N is 3.1, so I would see 5 times as many deer in 8R


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Guess we are all driving to 8r next year .

[Hunter007]

13 hours ago, Biz-R-OWorld said:

According to 2018 kill stats. 8R has 16 deer per square mile. That's nuts. 3N is 3.1, so I would see 5 times as many deer in 8R


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Top 6 best for bucks on that list   are  8r 8f 8g 8h 8x 9y  got to take a drive up and check those places out this summer.  To bad they are all 300 miles away from me .

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[Culvercreek hunt club]

25 minutes ago, Storm914 said:

Top 6 best for bucks on that list   are  8r 8f 8g 8h 8x 9y  got to take a drive up and check those places out this summer.  To bad they are all 300 miles away from me .

They are lying. You can't believe the DEC. I would suggest that everyone ignore the data...lol

[Hunter007]

10 minutes ago, Culvercreek hunt club said:

They are lying. You can't believe the DEC. I would suggest that everyone ignore the data...lol

So you are saying they  purposely but the places that are in the middle of nowhere at top of the list just to make us drive more lol 

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[Culvercreek hunt club]

27 minutes ago, Storm914 said:

So you are saying they  purposely but the places that are in the middle of nowhere at top of the list just to make us drive more lol 

Yeah...those region 8 ones don't have nearly the quantity or quality they talk about...lol

[Hunter007]

5 minutes ago, Culvercreek hunt club said:

Yeah...those region 8 ones don't have nearly the quantity or quality they talk about...lol

Kind of hard to know since they are so far away from everything lol   

[Nomad]

26 minutes ago, Culvercreek hunt club said:

Yeah...those region 8 ones don't have nearly the quantity or quality they talk about...lol

Yep no need to hunt the 8’s, especially 8H. Look elsewhere.

[grampy]

I need to relocate!!!   Do some prospecting out west!!

[moog5050]

1 hour ago, Storm914 said:

Kind of hard to know since they are so far away from everything lol   

Its true - no need for you to make that long trip for nothing!

[Five Seasons]

On 4/10/2019 at 10:08 AM, dbHunterNY said:

 

they survey what they can get their hands on at meat cutters, taxidermists shops, voluntary check stations, the rare public land temporary check stations, etc that make up that 15,000 if that's the number. as of a couple years ago they have a slip the size of a diner order slip that had all kinds of data to record, one being age. many DEC techs are somewhat trained on tooth wear and replacement of the lower jawbone. i can vouch that many are really good but some couldn't age a deer if their lives depended on it.  problem i see is since DEC has been plugging the whole voluntary "let young bucks go and watch them grow" they've been more excepting of pooling data from taxidermists and especially QDM co-ops, where as before they didn't want to because they claimed it'd skew the data sample collected. QDM co-ops have extremely low numbers of yearling and in some cases young buck harvests.

i think it's fairly easy to determine the difference between 1.5, 2.5 and 3.5+ and really that's all we should be looking at. Mature or immature. 

[Five Seasons]

It also would be interesting to know how that 15k translates. Statistics and polls always fascinate me because of their variables. For example, is a guy who cuts up his own deer more likely to shoot younger bucks or vise versa? I do totally understand that they use what they have, but it's something that makes me think.

[Hunter007]

46 minutes ago, moog5050 said:

Its true - no need for you to make that long trip for nothing!

I tell you when I get there

Summer exploration trips are fun .

[Five Seasons]

On 4/9/2019 at 9:31 PM, Steve D said:

Thanks

https://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/wildlife_pdf/2018deerrpt.pdf

this will come across as snowflake male, and it's not my intention because i support it, but man are they pushing woman in the outdoors or what?