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[BizCT]

4 minutes ago, mowin said:

That may have been true 30 yrs ago, not now.  My f350 has over 5000 lbs of payload

That's my point. You truck is a 2.5 Ton truck then.

[mowin]

3 minutes ago, Biz-R-OWorld said:

That's my point. You truck is a 2.5 Ton truck then.

By the old standard, ya.  But it's still concerned a 1 ton. 

You'd think the F550 would be called a 2 ton, but I've never heard someone refer to them as that.  

[BizCT]

Just now, mowin said:

By the old standard, ya.  But it's still concerned a 1 ton. 

You'd think the F550 would be called a 2 ton, but I've never heard someone refer to them as that.  

the old standard is dead, that's my point. it makes zero sense nowadays with all the different sizes of trucks.

[stubborn1VT]

Biz owns a pickup for a month and has the truck industry all figured out!  A F150 or a 1500 are half tons.  An F250 or 2500 are 3/4 tons.  It's tradition.  No reason to get all worked up!

[BizCT]

Biz owns a pickup for a month and has the truck industry all figured out!  A F150 or a 1500 are half tons.  An F250 or 2500 are 3/4 tons.  It's tradition.  No reason to get all worked up!

It’s wrong though. The phrase is intended to align with payloads. So what is a Honda Ridgeline? Or Toyota Tacoma? tundra? Etc.


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[stubborn1VT]

2 minutes ago, Biz-R-OWorld said:

 

It’s wrong though. The phrase is intended to align with payloads. So what is a Honda Ridgeline? Or Toyota Tacoma? tundra? Etc.


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They're not full-sized trucks, so their payload isn't important.  The phrase has been around longer than Biz has been alive.  If you want actual payloads you look them up.  The phrase just identifies the class.  

[crappyice]

It’s wrong though. The phrase is intended to align with payloads. So what is a Honda Ridgeline? Or Toyota Tacoma? tundra? Etc.


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I bet you want to get rid of the Dewey Decimal System too?!?!?


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[Nomad]

6 minutes ago, crappyice said:

I bet you want to get rid of the Dewey Decimal System too?!?!?


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Well ,it’s alright to keep,that, for trivia questions , and the the like 

[BizCT]

They're not full-sized trucks, so their payload isn't important.  The phrase has been around longer than Biz has been alive.  If you want actual payloads you look them up.  The phrase just identifies the class.  

That’s the point. The phrase is outdated. Besides Chevy and ford where do the other trucks fall in that “full size”?


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[stubborn1VT]

You want each model to have its payload in its name?  Makes no sense.  It does accurately separate the classes of trucks.  

What other trucks?  Dodge, Toyota and Nissan all make full sized trucks. All US truck makers use 1500/2500 or 150/250 to designate half ton vs 3/4 ton etc.

Tacoma, Frontier, Colorado, Ridgeline etc were never made for a payloads measured in tons.  

You don't like it, but it's been used for 50+ years and I really doubt that will change anytime soon.

[airedale]

What I don't like is when I buy a gallon of gas say for $2.69 and 9 tenths of a cent and give the clerk $2.70 and do not get my 1 tenth of a cent change back.

Al

[BizCT]

You want each model to have its payload in its name?  Makes no sense.  It does accurately separate the classes of trucks.  
What other trucks?  Dodge, Toyota and Nissan all make full sized trucks. All US truck makers use 1500/2500 or 150/250 to designate half ton vs 3/4 ton etc.
Tacoma, Frontier, Colorado, Ridgeline etc were never made for a payloads measured in tons.  
You don't like it, but it's been used for 50+ years and I really doubt that will change anytime soon.

Nissan and Toyota Use numbers?


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[stubborn1VT]

5 minutes ago, Biz-R-OWorld said:

 

Nissan and Toyota Use numbers?


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As I wrote above, all US truck makers use numbers.

[Jeremy K]

59 minutes ago, crappyice said:

I bet you want to get rid of the Dewey Decimal System too?!?!?


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I'm the guy who mixes up the cards in the card catalogs 

[BizCT]

As I wrote above, all US truck makers use numbers.

So 3 brands out of all of them? That’s why just model names should be used


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[stubborn1VT]

Just now, Biz-R-OWorld said:

 

So 3 brands out of all of them? That’s why just model names should be used


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They basically invented the pickup truck, so yeah.

[BizCT]

They basically invented the pickup truck, so yeah.

 

I don’t think dodge or gmc ever use those phrases “half ton”, but maybe I’m wrong?

 

Edit: does Ford use it anymore? I never saw it mentioned when I was at the dealer

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[stubborn1VT]

Yep, you're wrong.  Maybe stick with baseball.  

[Bionic]

1 minute ago, Biz-R-OWorld said:

 

I don’t think dodge or gmc ever use those phrases “half ton”, but maybe I’m wrong?


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No because Dodge rots away too fast, false advertising.

all kidding aside Biz Ram has 1500/2500/3500 on there trucks labeled accordingly

Edited August 21, 2019 by Bionic

[BizCT]

Yep, you're wrong.  Maybe stick with baseball.  

Show me a recent ad that uses “half ton”


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[stubborn1VT]

They may not use the term in advertising, but everyone knows that an F150 is a half ton pickup.  I guess I'm done with this.   I'll pass on the petty arguing.  Our entire measurement system is outdated compared to the metric system.  Why don't you piss & moan about that?

[Steuben Jerry]

3 hours ago, stubborn1VT said:

They're not full-sized trucks, 

A Tundra is not considered a full size truck? With over a 1500 lb payload and a wheelbase the same as an F-150?

[stubborn1VT]

2 minutes ago, Steuben Jerry said:

A Tundra is not considered a full size truck? With over a 1500 lb payload and a wheelbase the same as an F-150?

I read Ridgeline and Tacoma.  A Tundra is a half ton.  I drove one and like it, but wouldn't want one as a work truck.

[t_barb]

4 hours ago, Biz-R-OWorld said:

So a Ford Ranger that has 1560-1860lbs payload (depending on the model), is 3/4 ton to 9/10's ton pickup truck? it makes no sense. It is not 1953 anymore. STOP USING THIS OUTDATED PHRASE!! 

I guess this was the point I was trying to make in general..   Go and put 1,560 - 1,860 pounds in your Ranger (I am a huge fan of the new Ranger, so nothing against the truck) and let me know what you think.  I am willing to bet you will not drive it down the road and feel safe.

I have personal experience with a Ram 1500 and F150.    Despite what the published payloads are, it is like night and day in reality...   The F150 can handle a lot more tongue weight and payload.   

The point was that they market payload, towing capacity, etc..  because it makes things sound good, but the reality is that 70% of the people that drive trucks never use them to those levels..

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[stubborn1VT]

Just now, t_barb said:

I guess this was the point I was trying to make in general..   Go and put 1,560 - 1,860 pounds in your Ranger (I am a huge fan of the new Ranger, so nothing against the truck) and let me know what you think.  I am willing to bet you will not drive it down the road and feel safe.

I have personal experience with a Ram 1500 and F150.    Despite what the published payloads are, it is like night and day in reality...   The F150 can handle a lot more tongue weight and payload.   

The point ways that they market payload, towing capacity, etc..  because it makes things sound good, but the reality is that 70% of the people that drive trucks never use them to those levels..

Good point.  Also, most of the published payloads are put out by manufacturer.