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I was watching Bill Winke talk about selling his farm and he even noted how much of an impact EHD had on his heard and noted that it was a 5-year rebound period. Keep in mind his ground arguably might have been some of the best managed in the country and he had a five year rebound period.

Looks like its still pretty rough and going. You guys need some cold weather asap!!!!

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9 minutes ago, phade said:

I was watching Bill Winke talk about selling his farm and he even noted how much of an impact EHD had on his heard and noted that it was a 5-year rebound period. Keep in mind his ground arguably might have been some of the best managed in the country and he had a five year rebound period.

Looks like its still pretty rough and going. You guys need some cold weather asap!!!!

75-80 highs next 5 days. we just had a cold snap, but 38 a few mornings isn't enough

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75-80 highs next 5 days. we just had a cold snap, but 38 a few mornings isn't enough

It was 32 when I went to work the other morning in Rock Tavern at 0500. Not sure if we need multiple morning freezes to kill the midges.


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2 hours ago, Lawdwaz said:

Sorry I haven’t been closely following but hey Bill, what’s in the bag??

twinkies and nunchucks and a turkey call of course. 

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The most important thing after EHD is hunter responsibility. We learned that the hard way. All young bucks have to get a pass because it seems that EHD hits the older age class of bucks especially hard. Its Nothing to lose almost all your 4 and 5 year old bucks. The number of cases that game agency's will report is always a joke. For example the county of the farm I hunted last year had less then 50 confirmations. We had more EHD deaths on the farm and the neighbors farm then that, yet because they were "confirmed" they didnt count. So the county numbers were ridiculous.

Doe harvest needs to get cut back the first couple years after EHD, even if your population is decent. You Need to be careful that its doesn't hit a couple years in row. You think its past and over....shoot some does then get hit again next summer and prolong the issue


I have no hope that any help comes from the DEC, and I doubt you will see any NY hunters showing restraint. The saving grace is that the deer opulation is pretty high, and that its fairly late in the year.
I hope it passes quick for all the hunters in those areas.

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2 minutes ago, Trial153 said:

The most important thing after EHD is hunter responsibility. We learned that the hard way. All young bucks have to get a pass because it seems that EHD hits the older age class of bucks especially hard. Its Nothing to lose almost all your 4 and 5 year old bucks. The number of cases that game agency's will report is always a joke. For example the county of the farm I hunted last year had less then 50 confirmations. We had more EHD deaths on the farm and the neighbors farm then that, yet because they were "confirmed" they didnt count. So the county numbers were ridiculous.

Doe harvest needs to get cut back the first couple years after EHD, even if your population is decent. You Need to be careful that its doesn't hit a couple years in row. You think its past and over....shoot some does then get hit again next summer and prolong the issue


I have no hope that any help comes from the DEC, and I doubt you will see any NY hunters showing restraint. The saving grace is that the deer opulation is pretty high, and that its fairly late in the year.
I hope it passes quick for all the hunters in those areas.

the only way for the to save stewart forest is to stop all deer hunting for 2 or 3 years i don't see them doing that. As it is it is over hunted now . I have hunted there all my life and every year fewer and fewer deer  . I am worried if they don't close it they will wipe out alot more deer . And it won't ever be the same .

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5 minutes ago, cynthiafu said:

That’s just his shirt over his shoulder 

Wow, I guess the eyes are the second thing to go.....I looked closer and DID see it is his shirt over his shoulder. 

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Just now, Lawdwaz said:

Wow, I guess the eyes are the second thing to go.....I looked closer and DID see it is his shirt over his shoulder. 

I forgot what the first thing was??

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7 minutes ago, cynthiafu said:

That qas his shirt over his shoulder 

Thanks Cynthia.  No mystery Bag- LOL.

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5 minutes ago, cynthiafu said:

the only way for the to save stewart forest is to stop all deer hunting for 2 or 3 years i don't see them doing that. As it is it is over hunted now . I have hunted there all my life and every year fewer and fewer deer  . I am worried if they don't close it they will wipe out alot more deer . And it won't ever be the same .

I agree Cynthia. Unfortunately, I don't think the DEC will close the Deer Hunting at Stewart.

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2 hours ago, Trial153 said:

The most important thing after EHD is hunter responsibility. We learned that the hard way. All young bucks have to get a pass because it seems that EHD hits the older age class of bucks especially hard. Its Nothing to lose almost all your 4 and 5 year old bucks. The number of cases that game agency's will report is always a joke. For example the county of the farm I hunted last year had less then 50 confirmations. We had more EHD deaths on the farm and the neighbors farm then that, yet because they were "confirmed" they didnt count. So the county numbers were ridiculous.

Doe harvest needs to get cut back the first couple years after EHD, even if your population is decent. You Need to be careful that its doesn't hit a couple years in row. You think its past and over....shoot some does then get hit again next summer and prolong the issue


I have no hope that any help comes from the DEC, and I doubt you will see any NY hunters showing restraint. The saving grace is that the deer opulation is pretty high, and that its fairly late in the year.
I hope it passes quick for all the hunters in those areas.


From your experience, is it more likely to come back, once it’s in an area? 
 

i just got an update from the DEC. So far they’ve tallied 450 likely EHD mortalities. 
also, added that the impact on the local herd is unknown and won’t know until after  Hunting harvest data comes in.

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The most important thing after EHD is hunter responsibility. We learned that the hard way. All young bucks have to get a pass because it seems that EHD hits the older age class of bucks especially hard. Its Nothing to lose almost all your 4 and 5 year old bucks. The number of cases that game agency's will report is always a joke. For example the county of the farm I hunted last year had less then 50 confirmations. We had more EHD deaths on the farm and the neighbors farm then that, yet because they were "confirmed" they didnt count. So the county numbers were ridiculous.

Doe harvest needs to get cut back the first couple years after EHD, even if your population is decent. You Need to be careful that its doesn't hit a couple years in row. You think its past and over....shoot some does then get hit again next summer and prolong the issue


I have no hope that any help comes from the DEC, and I doubt you will see any NY hunters showing restraint. The saving grace is that the deer opulation is pretty high, and that its fairly late in the year.
I hope it passes quick for all the hunters in those areas.


Any idea why it effects older deer more? While I haven’t come across or heard of any deaths near where I hunt in 3N, this is the first year with no 8pters on cam and overall the slowest cam year since we started hunting it in 2016. Now the lack of acorns could be a major factor also, or EHD is killing deer somewhere nearby but nobody is finding them? We don’t have water on the property or anywhere really close. So maybe they traveled and died?


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Any idea why it effects older deer more? While I haven’t come across or heard of any deaths near where I hunt in 3N, this is the first year with no 8pters on cam and overall the slowest cam year since we started hunting it in 2016. Now the lack of acorns could be a major factor also, or EHD is killing deer somewhere nearby but nobody is finding them? We don’t have water on the property or anywhere really close. So maybe they traveled and died?


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I really do know. In all honesty its disputed that it effects older deer specifically older bucks at higher rate. My guess is that we have become better at cataloging and keeping track of bucks with trail cams. So on heavily managed farms they have pretty good idea of what the older crop of bucks consist of, and when they turn up dead or missing ....its way more noticable then does or young bucks that are off the radar.
That said some very good deer managers are convinced that older bucks are more susceptible to it. One theory is that large velvet antlers are easy places for midges to get blood meal....I dont know.
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8 minutes ago, Biz-R-OWorld said:

 


Any idea why it effects older deer more? While I haven’t come across or heard of any deaths near where I hunt in 3N, this is the first year with no 8pters on cam and overall the slowest cam year since we started hunting it in 2016. Now the lack of acorns could be a major factor also, or EHD is killing deer somewhere nearby but nobody is finding them? We don’t have water on the property or anywhere really close. So maybe they traveled and died?


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It could be just that it’s a drought year, and they moved off, because your property wasn’t providing enough water for them, but yeah, I guess you can’t discount the possibilities of EHD either. 
 

im in the same boat as you, I couldn’t believe how slow my cameras were, because I’ve had history in the areas , and know the normal amounts to expect. Unfortunately,  I found EHD had hit

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From your experience, is it more likely to come back, once it’s in an area? 
 
i just got an update from the DEC. So far they’ve tallied 450 likely EHD mortalities. 
also, added that the impact on the local herd is unknown and won’t know until after  Hunting harvest data comes in.
I dont think it's more likely. I do however think that an outbreak exposes a location that is conducive to spawning the midges in the right conditions, so if it happens on the area it can happen again given the similar conditions

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I dont think it's more likely. I do however think that an outbreak exposes a location that is conducive to spawning the midges in the right conditions, so if it happens on the area it can happen again given the similar conditions


I assume standing stagnant water is worse than moving stream water?


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Yes, from everything I’ve read, the midges breed in warm shallow stagnant water, With muddy banks being prime habitat. Orange County is full of shallow muddy ponds, probably why it’s so prevalent right now.
 

but, couple areas found dead were mountains with little feeder streams, Or creeks with good running water, so I think really can happen just about anywhere, there’s a concentration of deer. 
 

 

 

 

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Yorehntr, are you from the area? I'm assuming you are from your ability to identify specific areas. Have you heard of any areas in Sullivan County affected?  Thanks for your input on the subject btw. 

I saw you posted a picture from Montgomery. The wallkill river describes exactly the climate that you describe when is comes to EHD.

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I assume standing stagnant water is worse than moving stream water?


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No, the lack of the water rather then the type of water, do to drought and abnormally dry conditions is the common denominator.
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1 hour ago, corydd7 said:

Yorehntr, are you from the area? I'm assuming you are from your ability to identify specific areas. Have you heard of any areas in Sullivan County affected?  Thanks for your input on the subject btw. 

I saw you posted a picture from Montgomery. The wallkill river describes exactly the climate that you describe when is comes to EHD.

Im from rock tavern/Washingtonville. I haven’t heard anything out that way. The dec biologist hasn’t mentioned anything about Sullivan Either. Really, I haven’t heard about anything much west of goshen.

I don’t know if there’s anything to it, but seems to me, it’s expanding north more than anything. Possibly Mountainous terrain slows it down, because deer populations are generally lower?

i heard they found some dead in crum elbow creek in Hyde park. Which is up the line a ways.

 

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So 423 bucks killed in 3N last year. 1 by my dad, 1 by me and 421 others. Say 200 died already this year, what’s left?


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So 423 bucks killed in 3N last year. 1 by my dad, 1 by me and 421 others. Say 200 died already this year, what’s left?


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25% to 50% is widely excepted ad the common mortality in wild populations.
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Any idea why it effects older deer more? While I haven’t come across or heard of any deaths near where I hunt in 3N, this is the first year with no 8pters on cam and overall the slowest cam year since we started hunting it in 2016. Now the lack of acorns could be a major factor also, or EHD is killing deer somewhere nearby but nobody is finding them? We don’t have water on the property or anywhere really close. So maybe they traveled and died?


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Have you considered moving the cams?


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