Where are all the White Supremacists?

[Northcountryman]

One of the major themes of Bidens Inaugural address was, basically, a recognition of the Dangers of "White Supremacists" and "Domestic Terrorists" , and,  that these groups must be overcome and defeated for the sake of the country.  This disturbed me immesely and here's why:

1) First of all, who are the domestic terrorists? MAGA? The White Supremacists (which includes who?)? Conservatives?    Except for the white supremacists, I sure hope not!!!

Also, Im hoping that the "list" of domestic terrorists that he's targeting will include ANTIFA/BLM dont you?? Sadly, I doubt that they make the list !! (though, I hope I'm wrong about that)

2) Who are these supposed "White 
Supremacists" and where are they??Furthermore,  How numerous are they in America today? I dont know about you guys and maybe this sounds naive, but, I dont know any white supremacists myself, dont know anyone who has have ever  met one, so, where all they all? Do I have to go out to Idaho to meet one?? 

To be blunt, this a load of crap!!  That doesnt mean there are , literally,  NO white supremacists in this country  mind you, but, are they really that big of a threat to be discussed so prominently in the Presidents Inaugural address?  Hardly  

It is my belief that each "side" of the political landscape in America today  has their own perceived "Boogyman" who, in their view,  is the paragon of evil. For the right, it is often the "Communists" or "Socialists" that are the existential threat and, for the left, its the Racist "White Supremacists".  To be honest, I think that BOTH sides exaggerate these perceived threats and use it to their political advantage( though I do believe that there are far more real true Communists/Socialists out there than there are White Supremacists!!lol) , simply due to the fact that it is far easier to control groups of people when they are afraid of something.  It stirs them up and keeps them inline, keeps them voting for your side, your policies , etc. 

3)What will be the strategy for combatting these threats? Silencing them on social media?  Re-education camps? War?  (Sure Hope not!!) 

What do you think?

 

[Grouse]

The plan is to vilify them, marginalize them and paint all white people as members of that group.  White guilt must be accepted by all whites so they agree to reparations.  It's political pandering for the minority vote at the expense of innocent Americans who really don't think it will affect them.

[Versatile_Hunter]

Trump’s DHS found white supremacy groups to be the greatest terror threat to the US. There’s plenty of documentation on this.  Here’s one link: 
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-terror-threat-dhs-409236

 

[Culvercreek hunt club]

24 minutes ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

Trump’s DHS found white supremacy groups to be the greatest terror threat to the US. There’s plenty of documentation on this.  Here’s one link: 
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-terror-threat-dhs-409236

 

What did the final version say?

[Versatile_Hunter]

30 minutes ago, Culvercreek hunt club said:

What did the final version say?

Same thing. 
 

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/2020_10_06_homeland-threat-assessment.pdf

[Grouse]

13 minutes ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

Same thing. 
 

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/2020_10_06_homeland-threat-assessment.pdf

From your link.

"The Terrorist Threat to the Homeland Ideologically motivated lone offenders and small groups pose the most likely terrorist threat to the Homeland, with Domestic Violent Extremists presenting the most persistent and lethal threat. Foreign terrorist organizations will continue to call for Homeland attacks but probably will remain constrained in their ability to direct such plots over the next year. Iran will maintain terrorist capabilities, including through proxies such as Lebanese Hizballah, as an option to deter the United States from taking action Tehran considers regime-threatening."

Nothing in this report points to "white supremacists".  It specifies there are MANY DIVERSE GROUPS in America that may attack it to defend their grievances.  It is vague about who the #1 threat is, but it is clear it refers to ANY AND ALL domestic terror groups in the US, like ANTIFA, BLM, ISLAMIC RADICALS, etc., etc..  Nowhere does it say "White Supremacists" are the #1 threat.

If it does, I missed it.  Show me.

[Versatile_Hunter]

8 minutes ago, Grouse said:

From your link.

"The Terrorist Threat to the Homeland Ideologically motivated lone offenders and small groups pose the most likely terrorist threat to the Homeland, with Domestic Violent Extremists presenting the most persistent and lethal threat. Foreign terrorist organizations will continue to call for Homeland attacks but probably will remain constrained in their ability to direct such plots over the next year. Iran will maintain terrorist capabilities, including through proxies such as Lebanese Hizballah, as an option to deter the United States from taking action Tehran considers regime-threatening."

Nothing in this report points to "white supremacists".  It specifies there are MANY DIVERSE GROUPS in America that may attack it to defend their grievances.  It is vague about who the #1 threat is, but it is clear it refers to ANY AND ALL domestic terror groups in the US, like ANTIFA, BLM, ISLAMIC RADICALS, etc., etc..  Nowhere does it say "White Supremacists" are the #1 threat.

If it does, I missed it.  Show me.

Yup, it’s definitely in there, you missed it.  Try again. If you still can’t find it, I’ll give you a hand later. (Hint: the official report  even has plots for you).

In the interim, if you find yourself confused, here’s a cheat sheet.

lizard people: not a concern

white supremacy: a real concern 

[Splitear]

39 minutes ago, Grouse said:

From your link.

"The Terrorist Threat to the Homeland Ideologically motivated lone offenders and small groups pose the most likely terrorist threat to the Homeland, with Domestic Violent Extremists presenting the most persistent and lethal threat. Foreign terrorist organizations will continue to call for Homeland attacks but probably will remain constrained in their ability to direct such plots over the next year. Iran will maintain terrorist capabilities, including through proxies such as Lebanese Hizballah, as an option to deter the United States from taking action Tehran considers regime-threatening."

Nothing in this report points to "white supremacists".  It specifies there are MANY DIVERSE GROUPS in America that may attack it to defend their grievances.  It is vague about who the #1 threat is, but it is clear it refers to ANY AND ALL domestic terror groups in the US, like ANTIFA, BLM, ISLAMIC RADICALS, etc., etc..  Nowhere does it say "White Supremacists" are the #1 threat.

If it does, I missed it.  Show me.

I'll help, take a look at page 18. 

I don't have a dog in this fight, so I'm not looking to pick one. Just one anecdotal example, but one of my friends and former drummers has been radicalized in a extreme right white supremist militia in Missouri. When I was home in July, I met up with one of my best friends, and guitar player in that band. I asked him about Nathan, and he just shook his head. He still plays a couple times a month with this guy's brother, and apparently he has left his family, moved to somewhere in Missouri and lives at some kind of compound.

Now, this is all hearsay on my part, but heartbreaking none the less. Nathan was always a great guy, we practiced at his house, and he was a stay at home dad for his severely autistic son. It has really opened my eyes to how good people can get pulled to the extreme. I just hope he can come back.

Edited January 21, 2021 by Splitear

[ApexerER]

29 minutes ago, Grouse said:

From your link.

"The Terrorist Threat to the Homeland Ideologically motivated lone offenders and small groups pose the most likely terrorist threat to the Homeland, with Domestic Violent Extremists presenting the most persistent and lethal threat. Foreign terrorist organizations will continue to call for Homeland attacks but probably will remain constrained in their ability to direct such plots over the next year. Iran will maintain terrorist capabilities, including through proxies such as Lebanese Hizballah, as an option to deter the United States from taking action Tehran considers regime-threatening."

Nothing in this report points to "white supremacists".  It specifies there are MANY DIVERSE GROUPS in America that may attack it to defend their grievances.  It is vague about who the #1 threat is, but it is clear it refers to ANY AND ALL domestic terror groups in the US, like ANTIFA, BLM, ISLAMIC RADICALS, etc., etc..  Nowhere does it say "White Supremacists" are the #1 threat.

If it does, I missed it.  Show me.

I don't agree with a single thing Versatile Hunter posts. Unlike the other posters here that have views that are different than mine, that i enjoy chatting with. I think he is a whack job that contributes nothing to this forum, so it pains me to say he is correct. It's right in there....

Domestic violent extremism is a threat to the Homeland. As Americans, we all have the right to believe whatever we want, but we don’t have a right to carry out acts of violence to further those beliefs. The Department works with other Government, non-Government, and private sector partners to prevent individuals from making this transition from protected speech to domestic terrorism reflected by violence. As Secretary, I am concerned about any form of violent extremism. That is why we design our programs to be threat agnostic – ensuring that we can combat a broad range of domestic threats. However, I am particularly concerned about white supremacist violent extremists who have been exceptionally lethal in their abhorrent, targeted attacks in recent years. I am proud of our work to prevent terrorizing tactics by domestic terrorists and violent extremists who seek to force ideological change in the United States through violence, death, and destruction.

[Grouse]

Like the OP said, where are these people and where are the attacks.  If they have been attacking the country on a grand scale and pose such a threat, why don't we hear about it in the news?

[steve863]

5 minutes ago, Splitear said:

I'll help, take a look at page 18. 

I don't have a dog in this fight, so I'm not looking to pick one. Just one anecdotal example, but one of my friends and former drummers has been radicalized in a extreme right white supremist militia in Missouri. When I was home in July, I met up with one of my best friends, and guitar player in that band. I asked him about Nathan, and he just shook his head. He still plays a couple times a month with this guy's brother, and apparently he has left his family, moved to somewhere in Missouri and lives at some kind of compound.

Now, this is all hearsay on my part, but heartbreaking none the less. Nathan was always a great guy, we practiced at his house, and he was a stay at home dad for his severely autistic son. It really has really opened my eyes to how good people can get pulled to the extreme. I just hope he can come back.

 

When you start believing everything you hear from any one side, group, religion, etc. you will be doomed.  Everyone needs to listen to things with an open but skeptical mind.  Doesn't matter what side you are on or what subject it's about.  From what I see there are plenty on the political forum here that have been brainwashed out of their minds.  And I'm not talking only about the liberal minded folks around here either.  Many here on the right side of the aisle think only those on the left are the brainwashed ones, but I've got some news for them. 

 

 

 

 

[Culvercreek hunt club]

They also show it in the chart but they don't disclose which events they are attributing to the White Supremacists

 

Edit: They also don't disclose  what groups are categorized in each section or even if the "protest" from 2018-2019 were included 

Edited January 21, 2021 by Culvercreek hunt club

[Splitear]

3 minutes ago, steve863 said:

 

When you start believing everything you hear from any one side, group, religion, etc. you will be doomed.  Everyone needs to listen to things with an open but skeptical mind.  Doesn't matter what side you are on or what subject it's about.  From what I see there are plenty on the political forum here that have been brainwashed out of their minds.  And I'm not talking only about the liberal minded folks around here either.  Many here on the right side of the aisle think only those on the left are the brainwashed ones, but I've got some news for them. 

 

 

 

 

For sure, no one side owns extremism. Before I found out about my ex-bandmate, "radicalization" was something that happened on the news. When you know someone who has been radicalized, it changes the perspective and hits close to home. You realize that most extremists are real people who have been more or less corrupted, rather than just some faceless "bad guy". 

Edited January 21, 2021 by Splitear

[Grouse]

2 minutes ago, Splitear said:

For sure, no one side owns extremism. Before I found out about my ex-bandmate "extremism" was something that happened on the news. When you know someone who has been radicalized, it changes the perspective. 

I'm sure people felt the same way in revolutionary times when people joined Washington's army.

Edited January 21, 2021 by Grouse

[Splitear]

6 minutes ago, Grouse said:

I'm sure people felt the same way in revolutionary times when people join Washington's army.

I'm not sure what you're getting at. 

Edited January 21, 2021 by Splitear

[GreeneHunter]

41 minutes ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

Yup, it’s definitely in there, you missed it.  Try again. If you still can’t find it, I’ll give you a hand later. (Hint: the official report  even has plots for you).

In the interim, if you find yourself confused, here’s a cheat sheet.

lizard people: not a concern

white supremacy: a real concern 

Being a " Sky is Falling type " which you are wouldn't it be better if you moved to Canada or Mexico (unless your Racist ?) than too stay here in the USA under such horrible conditions ? Ask Mom , I'm sure she'll let you go !

[Grouse]

31 minutes ago, Splitear said:

I'm not sure what you're getting at. 

People who decided to join militias to fight the crown were considered "extremists" at the time.  It wasn't until they started winning battles that they got respect and more recruits.

[Splitear]

4 minutes ago, Grouse said:

People who decided to join militias to fight the crown were considered "extremists" at the time.  It wasn't until they started winning battles that they got respect and more recruits.

That probably was the case, but what does that have to do with white supremist groups?

[DoubleDose]

33 minutes ago, steve863 said:

 

When you start believing everything you hear from any one side, group, religion, etc. you will be doomed.  Everyone needs to listen to things with an open but skeptical mind.  Doesn't matter what side you are on or what subject it's about.  From what I see there are plenty on the political forum here that have been brainwashed out of their minds.  And I'm not talking only about the liberal minded folks around here either.  Many here on the right side of the aisle think only those on the left are the brainwashed ones, but I've got some news for them. 

 

 

 

 

Your description well describes a cult and those that have "drank the kool-aid".  All the politicians are pseudo cult leaders and blindly following the political party is like being in a cult.   There is clearly some of this, as well as what I call tribalism.  My tribe is either Dem or Rep and I need to defend "my tribe".  We all would be better served with some self-reflection to make sure that is not our behavior.  We all should be objectively debating, policies, plans, and actions; and the pros and cons of same for America. 

[Grouse]

3 minutes ago, Splitear said:

That probably was the case, but what does that have to do with white supremist groups?

White people who oppose tyranny in America today are all classified as "White Supremacists" by the leftists.  They called the protest in DC against election fraud a "Klan rally".

[Splitear]

1 minute ago, Grouse said:

White people who oppose tyranny in America today are all classified as "White Supremacists" by the leftists.  They called the protest in DC against election fraud a "Klan rally".

We're talking about 2 entirely different things here, so I'll bow out and let you have your argument. 

[Versatile_Hunter]

Whoa! A lot of panties in a bunch over the indisputable and lamentable existence of extremist white supremacy groups. This is what happens when a large, seemingly illiterate, portion of the population gets their news exclusively from Facebook memes.

Edited January 21, 2021 by Versatile_Hunter

[Grouse]

1 minute ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

Whoa! A lot of panties in a bunch over the indisputable and lamentable existence of extremist white supremacy groups. This is what happens a large, seemingly illiterate, portion of the population gets their news exclusively from Facebook memes.

What about the larger mass of indisputable and lamentably existing extremist groups that actually tried to burn cities to the ground, looted, murdered and took over city blocks in 2020?  All the while having the main stream media make excuses for them and run interference for them as well.  Not to mention elected officials refusing to do their duty and stop them.

This is what happens when clueless leftists have their heads so far up their rectum they cannot see the reality of the propaganda they swallow.

To paraphrase Cassius Clay, "No white supremacist ever called me a cracker".

 

[Versatile_Hunter]

11 minutes ago, Grouse said:

What about the larger mass of indisputable and lamentably existing extremist groups that actually tried to burn cities to the ground, looted, murdered and took over city blocks in 2020?  All the while having the main stream media make excuses for them and run interference for them as well.  Not to mention elected officials refusing to do their duty and stop them.

This is what happens when clueless leftists have their heads so far up their rectum they cannot see the reality of the propaganda they swallow.

To paraphrase Cassius Clay, "No white supremacist ever called me a cracker".

 

This “what about them” argument you keep trying to make fails every time. I don’t support rioting, looting, or violence. What you continue to misconstrue as Democratic support for violence is incorrect. I, and most Americans, support the calls for racial justice. This is not equivalent to supporting violence or rioting. The side you’re in support of has no moral equivalence once you remove the violence. The “peaceful protesters” at the capital are marching for something that is demonstrably false. Democrat and Republican leadership have denounced Trump’s pathetic attempt to change the election outcome and are on record stating that Trump fed lies in an active disinformation campaign. 

I’ll give you another cheat sheet:

Violence from the left: disavow 

Violence from the right: disavow

Peaceful calls for racial justice: support

Cries of election fraud: wholly discredited by the very Republicans who lost 

[Grouse]

4 minutes ago, Versatile_Hunter said:

This “what about them” argument you keep trying to make fails every time. I don’t support rioting, looting, or violence. What you continue to misconstrue as Democratic support for violence is incorrect. I, and most Americans, support the calls for racial justice. This is not equivalent to supporting violence or rioting. The side you’re in support of has no moral equivalence once you remove the violence. The “peaceful protesters” at the capital are marching for something that is demonstrably false. Democrat and Republican leadership have denounced Trump’s pathetic attempt to change the election outcome and are on record stating that Trump fed lies in an active disinformation campaign. 

I’ll give you another cheat sheet:

Violence from the left: disavow 

Violence from the right: disavow

Peaceful calls for racial justice: support

Cries of election fraud: wholly discredited by the very Republicans who lost 

Except the idea that there is "Racial injustice" or "Police injustice"  has been proven false by every data set, research study and scientific investigation that has ever looked into it.  Therefore those BLM and ANTIFA riots were marching for something that is demonstrably false.  Trump wasn't trying to change the election outcome.  He was supporting protesters who have every reason to believe there was a ton of evidence of election fraud, especially with mass mailed in ballots.  And I don't care who said it, it is a bald faced lie to say Trump fed anyone lies.  The lies are all coming from the left and the left caused ALL of the violence in 2020.  They provoked the violence in DC too, not Trump.  It's been proven the DC uprising was planned in advance, so how did Trump's speech incite it?