Covid round two!

[Grouse]

16 hours ago, left field said:

There are many factors that contribute but look at the hospitalization rate of boosted 80+ year olds against unvaxxed 12-29 year olds. And 30-39. And 40-49. And ...

That is an effective vaccine.

This is an example of misinformation.  This chart counts all hospitalizations for people who are in WITH COVID as well as BECAUSE OF COVID.  At least 75% of these people are WITH COVID.  If you are admitted into a hospital today for any reason, there's a very high probability you will become COVID positive soon after.  When you find many of the folks are hospitalized for a broken leg, hernia or appendicitis, and now have COVID, the numbers begin to show the truth.

[Grouse]

The sad truth is that a vast majority of the people today are fully on board with one - or both.

"There are but two ways in nature to enslave a people, and to continue that slavery over them; the first is superstition, and the last is force: By the one we are persuaded that it is our duty to be undone; and the other undoes us whether we will or no."

-Cato's Letter No. 95 (1722) by John Trenchard

[Jeremy K]

I was thinking this morning . We have a virus that evolved in a laboratory . Instead of the world's population talking about it and government officials fielding questions about it ,we fight with each other over tje choice we have made to protect ourselves from it. If you even mentioned lab leak in the beginning you were kicked off the internet ,now that its 98 percent true it started in lab ,nobody demands answers.

[knehrke]

98% true? I respectfully disagree. If you'd like to talk about biosafety measures surrounding the use of viruses in research, I am pleased to engage. But please source your information appropriately. Every theory that I've seen so far claiming to "prove" that this virus was developed in a lab has been itself fairly easy to debunk. Some of these utilize sophisticated analyses, and it may be difficult for the layperson to establish their rigor...and I get that it's hard to know who to trust in those situations. You feel like so-called experts have a vested interest in maintaining the narrative, right? Except in most cases they don't. They're just doing their job. And thus far, there's been nothing conclusive, or even incriminating that's been adopted as consensus through any peer-reviewed channel. This has been established up and down the chain. Never say never, but the vast preponderance of actual evidence doesn't support your claim.

[Northcountryman]

1 minute ago, knehrke said:

98% true? I respectfully disagree. If you'd like to talk about biosafety measures surrounding the use of viruses in research, I am pleased to engage. But please source your information appropriately. Every theory that I've seen so far claiming to "prove" that this virus was developed in a lab has been itself fairly easy to debunk. Some of these utilize sophisticated analyses, and it may be difficult for the layperson to establish their rigor...and I get that it's hard to know who to trust in those situations. You feel like so-called experts have a vested interest in maintaining the narrative, right? Except in most cases they don't. They're just doing their job. And thus far, there's been nothing conclusive, or even incriminating that's been adopted as consensus through any peer-reviewed channel. This has been established up and down the chain. Never say never, but the vast preponderance of actual evidence doesn't support your claim.

Really - what is your gut feeling as to the origins of COVID then? 

[Jeremy K]

20 minutes ago, knehrke said:

98% true? I respectfully disagree. If you'd like to talk about biosafety measures surrounding the use of viruses in research, I am pleased to engage. But please source your information appropriately. Every theory that I've seen so far claiming to "prove" that this virus was developed in a lab has been itself fairly easy to debunk. Some of these utilize sophisticated analyses, and it may be difficult for the layperson to establish their rigor...and I get that it's hard to know who to trust in those situations. You feel like so-called experts have a vested interest in maintaining the narrative, right? Except in most cases they don't. They're just doing their job. And thus far, there's been nothing conclusive, or even incriminating that's been adopted as consensus through any peer-reviewed channel. This has been established up and down the chain. Never say never, but the vast preponderance of actual evidence doesn't support your claim.

My mistake I was just going off what the disease specialist said during an interview. I'm still trying to recall which episode it was . I'll try and remember what was said and I'm sure I'll butcher it ,hopefully you may be able to figure out what I'm trying to say and correct it. The eco health alliance was funded to study bat corona research ,they specifically applied for a grant to study furin cleavage site , he went on to say this was the particular spike protein of interest with the current covid sars2 that throws a red flag.

Edited January 18, 2022 by Jeremy K

[knehrke]

Shoot me the interview; I'll take a look. Here's what I know about the furin cleavage site: There's been lots of chatter about the polybase insertion PRRAR (this is a sequence of five amino acids that is very rich in "R" or Arginine, a positively charged base) at the S1/S2 cleavage site, which is different from the closest related coronaviruses such as SARS-CoV, and can be cleaved by furin. This route of entry provides a selective advantage and may enhance transmission. However, the site is not an optimal furin cleavage site - which, if it were an engineered variant, would almost certainly have been used  as proof-of-principle. Also, the site is present in other more distal but related coronaviruses (as the funded research undoubtedly used as premise for their approach). Finally, the "UK" variant, which arose in humans, has an adjacent mutation in a proximal region to the polybase insertion, which makes it a better substrate for furin cleavage, demonstrating how viral evolution continues toward a more transmissible variant. All of these lend me to believe that this occurred through a natural route. 

But you are correct, there were some raised eyebrows when this was first noted. Which have since descended as more folks have gotten into the game. There are a fair number of papers now in the literature on this topic.

As for gut feelings, I try to avoid those when assessing anything of importance (or whenever there are greasy hamburgers in the vicinity). My gut lies to me all the time. It told me 25 years ago that there was no way I was getting a second date with my wife lol. I try to keep an open mind and acknowledge that there could be a laboratory origin, and that proof of such may never be available. The current theories of interspecies transmission are the most plausible, but still don't check all of the boxes IMHO. But I've yet to see a convincing counter theory.

[BizCT]

China only got omicron because it was sent to them overseas via mail. That's what the news articles say today.

[Jeremy K]

10 minutes ago, Biz-R-OWorld said:

China only got omicron because it was sent to them overseas via mail. That's what the news articles say today.

I wonder if my neighbors grocery sterilizing area outside her side door can handle mail as well?

[Northcountryman]

47 minutes ago, knehrke said:

Shoot me the interview; I'll take a look. Here's what I know about the furin cleavage site: There's been lots of chatter about the polybase insertion PRRAR (this is a sequence of five amino acids that is very rich in "R" or Arginine, a positively charged base) at the S1/S2 cleavage site, which is different from the closest related coronaviruses such as SARS-CoV, and can be cleaved by furin. This route of entry provides a selective advantage and may enhance transmission. However, the site is not an optimal furin cleavage site - which, if it were an engineered variant, would almost certainly have been used  as proof-of-principle. Also, the site is present in other more distal but related coronaviruses (as the funded research undoubtedly used as premise for their approach). Finally, the "UK" variant, which arose in humans, has an adjacent mutation in a proximal region to the polybase insertion, which makes it a better substrate for furin cleavage, demonstrating how viral evolution continues toward a more transmissible variant. All of these lend me to believe that this occurred through a natural route. 

But you are correct, there were some raised eyebrows when this was first noted. Which have since descended as more folks have gotten into the game. There are a fair number of papers now in the literature on this topic.

As for gut feelings, I try to avoid those when assessing anything of importance (or whenever there are greasy hamburgers in the vicinity). My gut lies to me all the time. It told me 25 years ago that there was no way I was getting a second date with my wife lol. I try to keep an open mind and acknowledge that there could be a laboratory origin, and that proof of such may never be available. The current theories of interspecies transmission are the most plausible, but still don't check all of the boxes IMHO. But I've yet to see a convincing counter theory.

Ok- sounds to me like youre still open to the notion of COVID orginating from a lab leak but feel as if that theories been far from proven, to date. Do you agree, however, that the Left and its supporting media pundits went way overboard in suppressing those that expressed that sentiment last year on social media ?

[Chef]

China only got omicron because it was sent to them overseas via mail. That's what the news articles say today.

I don’t think anyone here disputes that China is full of shi7


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[Chef]

Ok- sounds to me like youre still open to the notion of COVID orginating from a lab leak but feel as if that theories been far from proven, to date. Do you agree, however, that the Left and its supporting media pundits went way overboard in suppressing those that expressed that sentiment last year on social media ?

Except they didn’t suppress it.. I have seen numerous story’s on this on CNN.

There is a huge difference between suppression and waiting for more facts before reporting a story.

I think that’s the big difference here, many on this site and around the world get news from clickbait and take it as fact


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[Northcountryman]

2 minutes ago, Chef said:

Except they didn’t suppress it.. I have seen numerous story’s on this on CNN.

You saw them Last year when FOX News first started talking about it?

[Chef]

You saw them Last year when FOX News first started talking about it?

I have seen it a couple times… it’s not story that fox broke first because it’s not a story it’s a theory… it’s not news. When there is a real breakthrough on the subject then it will be news. For now it’s just rhetoric and grandstanding trying to show that Biden is week on China.

First off half the stuff on fox is not news

The Ingraham angle as an example how does news have a angle.

Fox has said in court Tucker and Hannity are not news


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[Jeremy K]

26 minutes ago, Chef said:

Except they didn’t suppress it.. I have seen numerous story’s on this on CNN.

There is a huge difference between suppression and waiting for more facts before reporting a story.

I think that’s the big difference here, many on this site and around the world get news from clickbait and take it as fact


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To be fair ,the place you get your news from is sponsored by Pfizer. 

[Jeremy K]

18 minutes ago, Chef said:

I have seen it a couple times… it’s not story that fox broke first because it’s not a story it’s a theory… it’s not news. When there is a real breakthrough on the subject then it will be news. For now it’s just rhetoric and grandstanding trying to show that Biden is week on China.

First off half the stuff on fox is not news

The Ingraham angle as an example how does news have a angle.

Fox has said in court Tucker and Hannity are not news


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The guy who just bought cnn has said he plans on replacing the staff with actual journalist.

[virgil]

4 minutes ago, Jeremy K said:

The guy who just bought cnn has said he plans on replacing the staff with actual journalist.

That's great.  Hope he buys Fox News next.

[Chef]

To be fair ,the place you get your news from is sponsored by Pfizer. 

I’d bet any money there are Pfizer adds on fox, news max, oan. And every other TV network you watch


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[Four Seasons]

1 hour ago, Chef said:

Except they didn’t suppress it.. I have seen numerous story’s on this on CNN.

There is a huge difference between suppression and waiting for more facts before reporting a story.

I think that’s the big difference here, many on this site and around the world get news from clickbait and take it as fact


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Did you seriously just say that you get your info from CNN and then say we were the idiots sucking down the clickbait?                 Holy &k;& !!    Now please keep trying to get us to believe your not as left as the rest of the fools.   

[luberhill]

1 hour ago, Chef said:

I have seen it a couple times… it’s not story that fox broke first because it’s not a story it’s a theory… it’s not news. When there is a real breakthrough on the subject then it will be news. For now it’s just rhetoric and grandstanding trying to show that Biden is week on China.

First off half the stuff on fox is not news

The Ingraham angle as an example how does news have a angle.

Fox has said in court Tucker and Hannity are not news


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So Fox is NOT news , but CNN is LMAO

Unreal

[luberhill]

32 minutes ago, Four Seasons said:

Did you seriously just say that you get your info from CNN and then say we were the idiots sucking down the clickbait?                 Holy &k;& !!    Now please keep trying to get us to believe your not as left as the rest of the fools.   

Yes he did … I give up on this dude ..

He digs his own hole deeper every day …

[The_Real_TCIII]

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[BizCT]

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Fauci the Fraud! he should have been forced into mandatory retirement 17-19 years ago

[luberhill]

2 hours ago, Jeremy K said:

The guy who just bought cnn has said he plans on replacing the staff with actual journalist.

Highly doubtful 

[Jeremy K]

30 minutes ago, The_Real_TCIII said:

 

 

 

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I couldnt figure out how to send that whenni saw it.