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  1. THE DEC HAS RELEASE THEIR DEER HUNTING FORECAST FOR 2016 deerforecastr8.pdf2016.pdf deerforecastr3.pdf2016.pdf deerforecastr5.pdf2016.pdf deerforecastr6.pdf2016.pdf deerforecastr7.pdf2016.pdf deerforecastr9.pdf2016.pdf deerforecastr5.pdf2016.pdf deerforecastr4.pdf2016.pdf deerforecastr1.pdf2016.pdf
  2. 444 marlin it works like Thor's Hammer on deer I'm getting to old to chase them after shooting them and I hate dragging up hill
  3. I take most of the month of November off. There is a difference between rutting and breading, breading is just a small part of the rut. I don’t take much stock in the lunar tables. I do have to agree with the time frame around November 10th seeing a lot of activity.
  4. It was told on their webinar or pod-cast or whatever it was they had.
  5. I reload almost every center fire rifle and handgun I shoot. I have killed deer with 3 handgun cal’s 6mm rem br 100gr sp, 35rem 180gr. Ssp. And 44mag 180 gr xtp, 210gr hp, 240gr xtp. When I hunt with a handgun I mostly use the 44mag and I only use 1 of 2 powders H-110 or 296 and only use cci-350 primers. I use 1 of 2 guns DW-HV8 or a SW-629DX 83/8’s. I have killed 14 deer with a handgun. 12 including my first deer with one of the 44mags. In rifle I reload for my 444 marlin. I use a 265gr. Flat point and ether IMR-4198 or H-4198 and REM 91/2 primers. I have killed 8 deer with this load.
  6. here are the 2016-17 waterfowl reg's 2016wfregs.pdf
  7. Have you ever seen the video on how to use the butt out? It hurts just to watch it. It’s just not right!
  8. I like cider not apple juice!
  9. This is part of an article in SCI: CWD is an infectious brain disease that has been killing deer, elk and moose since it was first identified in captive mule deer in a Colorado research facility in 1967. CWD is classified as a transmissible spongiform encephalopathy (TSE), and is similar to mad cow disease in cattle and scrapie in sheep. The infectious agents of CWD are classified as prions, which are infectious proteins without associated nucleic acids. CWD is incurable, always fatal, and now infects wild deer and elk in two Canadian provinces and 20 states; and captive herds in two provinces and 14 states. Scent manufacturers are now caught in the middle of this debate. Wildlife agencies would rather prevent the disease than try to manage it once it arrives. Some manufacturers want to work with states, but regulations are variable. There are still also many unknowns about CWD and the risks of transmission and there is no inexpensive way to test live animals for CWD.
  10. They are not going to be afraid of any law suit. The science on how CWD is transmitted is more than good. You would not want to see this go to court. Remember this if they find one deer on a farm in this state with CWD. Not only will the state or Feds kill every deer on that farm. They will also kill every deer on every farm that farm sold deer to.
  11. this was posted on outdoor life web cite Can Urine-Based Deer Attractants Really Spread Chronic Wasting Disease? by Craig Dougherty 19 <img height="437" width="680" class="media-element file-default attr__typeof__foaf:Image img__fid__266352 img__view_mode__default attr__format__default attr__title__ attr__data-image_style__article_image_full" data-image_style="article_image_full" typeof="foaf:Image" src="http://www.outdoorlife.com/sites/outdoorlife.com/files/styles/article_image_full/public/deerscents.png?itok=yBcHMH9d" alt="" title="" /> Photo by Charlie Alsheimer Virginia’s recent decision to ban the use of natural deer urine when hunting or scouting has hunters asking: “What’s going on? I’ve been using deer urine since I was a kid.” What’s going on is Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD), the killer deer disease that has worked its way through North America’s deer and elk herds. Wildlife agencies are taking steps to control the spread of CWD and outlawing deer urine attractants is one of those steps (Vermont has also banned it). Tracing the Spread CWD was originally discovered in captured deer in Colorado in the 1960s. It was fist discovered in wild deer in 1981. It’s been with us ever since. The disease has now been found in 20 states (including Virginia) and two provinces and is commonly perceived to be the number one threat to deer herds today. Symptoms include: erratic behavior, a weakened condition, excessive saliva, dramatic weight loss, and extreme thirst. Stopping a CWD outbreak from spreading has proven next to impossible even though millions are spent on CWD containment. CWD is believed to be caused by defective or rouge proteins called prions, which are thought to be passed from animal to animal. Prions attack the brain; it is always fatal. Infectious prions have been detected in the saliva, urine, and feces of diseased deer and some scientists believe CWD may be spread through contact with these liquids. That’s where the urine-based attractants come in. The Urine Connection Much of the deer urine used in attractants comes from commercial deer farms. The farms collect urine in catch pens with a grated floor that funnels deer waste into a receptacle. Multiple deer use these pens at the same time, comingling urine, feces, and even saliva. CWD is often associated with captive deer herds, which could be infected with CWD. Captive deer herds are generally monitored for CWD by either state or federal agencies. Conscientious urine suppliers take numerous precautions to ensure their herds are CWD free, but there are no absolute guarantees that any given captive herd (or for that matter wild herd) will remain CWD free. Unfortunately, there is no real way of determining if the deer contributing the waste liquids are carriers of the disease until it is too late. “Prions are shed in the saliva, urine, and feces just months after a deer becomes infected," says Dr. Krysten L. Schuler, a wildlife disease ecologist at Cornell University’s College of Veterinary Medicine. "That deer will still look perfectly healthy and it can live for more than a year after it’s infected. That deer’s infected urine may be gathered at any time. The trouble with these prions is they bind to soil particles and can be taken up into plants. This allows prions to contaminate the environment for years after they are poured out of a bottle. There is no safe dose of prions.” She urges hunters, “not to risk contaminating your favorite hunting spot with a product that has the potential to introduce a disease into your deer herd. When it comes to CWD, prevention is the only proven strategy.” Unfortunately there is no viable way to test for prions in deer urine attractants, and we don’t know how long they can live in a bottle—or even if they can live in a bottle at all. I could find no documentation or research proving or disproving this. Wait, Not So Fast Dr. Nicholas J. Haley (DVN, PhD) at the Department of Diagnostic Medicine and Pathobiology at Kansas State University, is not quite convinced that deer urine attractants are a serious CWD threat. He points out that infected urine is significantly less likely to transmit CWD than saliva and points to published and unpublished research that identifies a low level of infectivity in deer urine. He also points to mitigation efforts by deer farmers to ensure captive herds are CWD free. “That will go a long way toward reducing the risk to near zero,” Haley says. “Farms providing urine to the scent companies have very strict standards of health to uphold.” That said, he states: “There is obviously some concern for the potential that scent urine may have some role, however small, in the introduction of CWD to new areas.” The scent industry is concerned, that much is certain. Phil Robinson, president of Tink’s Hunting Products states: “In all of our searching and communicating with experts, we are aware of only two published studies suggesting any possibility of a link between CWD and urine and CWD transmission. Both studies involved experimental and artificial/extreme protocols (injecting brains of mice with infected urine) that are clearly not present during normal use of a hunting scent”. Sam Bergeson, Vice President of the Wildlife Research Center, points to the extreme protocols of the studies even though they identified a weak connection between CWD-infected urine and mice getting the disease when injected with it. “Obviously deer hunters are not going around injecting urine into deer brains with a hypodermic needle,” Bergeson says. Industry leaders are quick to note that there are dollars and jobs at stake, and that hunters are being denied products they have been using for decades. The deer urine industry is asking: “Is there really sufficient data available to shut a whole industry down?” Terry Rohm of Tink’s put it this way: “If we had some real solid evidence, that would be another matter. No one wants to see CDW spreading all over the landscape. The whole hunting industry is deer driven. We need deer. But there is just nothing out there to justify taking deer urine attractants off the market.” Hunters seem to be unsure of where they stand on the urine-elimination issue. A recent poll of members of the newly formed National Deer Alliance (a national deer hunters group) indicated that a full 83 percent of respondents either did not know or did not believe urine based attractants are a real threat to wild deer. The same poll found that 42 percent of the respondents were against making them illegal. Better Safe Than Sorry? At this point, it may be safe to say what we don’t know about prions, deer urine, and the spread of CWD outweighs what we do know. However, the Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fisheries’ position is printed in black and white on its website: “The VDGIF is taking a pro-active approach on this issue and has banned possession and use until it is proven that prions are not spread in commercial deer urine products, rather than continue to risk introducing CWD to new areas until it is confirmed that urine attractants do spread prions.” A cautionary position to be sure, but wildlife agencies are the keepers of the public trust when it comes to wild places and wild things. Is it really surprising where Virginia officials (and before them Vermont officials) landed on this issue? So where do you stand? Your state may very well be discussing a urine ban as you read this. Are you in the “pro-active, safe not sorry camp” or the “wait, not so fast” camp? Editor's note: Craig Dougherty is the Executive Director of the National Deer Alliance.
  12. I don’t start using any scents till the 31 of October and I use North Country scents. Unless I see rutting activity beforehand. This will start some trouble. The state was on the verge of BANNING all urine base scents this year, and is recommending that hunters not to use urine base scents. I’m sure they will look at this again down the road. They were going to put the ban in place to prevent the possibility of the spread of CWD though urine base scents. It is possible for CWD to be spread by urine base scents. But I don’t know how likely that is to happen. There are other states that have ban their use.
  13. I just wonder how many guys can fill 2 doe tags and their bow tag and possibly their bow/ml doe tag in the month of October.
  14. Dmp’s can be used at any time from October 1st till the last day of the ML season. So I can’t see why is of you are saying that permits aren’t available when needed. You can get 2 8n’s now use them in October then on November 1st get 2 more and use them. If you can fill 4 dump’s and need more have someone transfer 2 over to you.
  15. We had that same thing happen it ended up being a broken pipe out in the yard.
  16. In the wmu’s that had the doe only for part of the season last year. It would not matter where you put the doe only or what weapon was used you won’t increase the doe harvest that much. IT’S AN ACESS PROBLEM PLANE AND SIMPLE YOU CAN’T KILL THEM IF YOU CAN’T GET TO THEM. THAT’S WHAT THE PROBLEM IS !!
  17. I don’t do all day sits till November. Unless it is warm out them I will sit till 11 then go back out for the last 2hr’s. it’s waste of time sitting all day I early October when the bow season first opens. I will sit all day in October if the day is cold. What I mean by cold is temp’s not getting out of the 40’s.
  18. Larry

    2016

    Don’t get your nuts all twisted the doe only season or part of a season has been rescinded. In most WMU’s that had them last year. Remember to keep continuity they just put online what they have to send to the printers for the hard copy. There was a press release on this
  19. my go to deer gun is my 444 marlin with 265 flat points that I reload my self
  20. I would say the same yote with mange
  21. The largest mammal that kills the most humans is another human. Just go to downtown Rochester on Friday or Saturday night, and you will see one or to humans bleeding on the side of the road.
  22. I looked up who these two clowns are I didn’t know if they were NY legislators or not. There bills at this time won’t even make it out of committee in ether the house or senate. But after Novembers elections they could so everyone needs to vote.
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