OMG HAZ HE TAKEN ALLZ UR GUNZ YET?!?!

[Mr VJP]

We are talking about post-Obama here, why are you going back to the early 1990s?

We are talking about gun confiscation. History repeats itself for those who don't know it.

[Doewhacker]

Wrong again. I lived in NJ under Gov. Florio, he signed an "assault weapons" ban and they did take guns from me, and a lot of other gun owners. So, I have seen this before. Maybe that's why I'm not sharing your uninformed opinion here.

Sounds like your methods of stopping things failed back then too, ever think maybe it's you?

[Sogaard]

I have better things to do than waste half my day going back and forth with your lunacy. Don't worry, I'm sure 13BVET or the 15 year old will congratulate you for winning. I'll rest easy remembering your own self descriptive words, "I'm a dying breed."

[Five Seasons]

No one has taken a single gun from you on the state level, and we have the strictest rules in the Union, so I was never wrong to begin with.

this is false. you can now not purchase certain guns, therefore they have taken a gun I have always planned on buying and just never had the extra money to do so from me. They have also taken guns from families. Once you die, your ARs and AKs are no longer yours. Who among us doesn't have an old rifle handed down from their grandfather? Who wouldn't want to hand their AR down to their grandson? If you go through even a mild case of depression or perhaps anxiety they may be taken from you for 5 years. I mostly support that, but there are cases where someone on zollof is no harm to themselves or others, but that's up to a social worker or therapist to decide I guess. They're opinions on gun control obviously do not affect their decision... so now they can't protect their family, hunt deer, duck or turkey unless it's with a bow? I have 2 family members on anti-anxiety drugs. They are by no means wack jobs, they just struggle in public places. The system they proposed does not leave a lot of room to argue your "sanity" to the government and if you could, you need to pay high priced lawyers to do so; all of which violates obamacare and hippa anyhow.

So why it's easy to say they haven't taken any right out of your hands, they have.

[Mr VJP]

Sounds like your methods of stopping things failed back then too, ever think maybe it's you?

The fight only began at that point. Since then many things have changed for the better in NJ. Gov. Florio did not get re-elected and the chances of anything like NY's new gun ban happening in NJ today are very slim.

Ever think you should have stayed in school?

[Mr VJP]

I have better things to do than waste half my day going back and forth with your lunacy. Don't worry, I'm sure 13BVET or the 15 year old will congratulate you for winning. I'll rest easy remembering your own self descriptive words, "I'm a dying breed."

As this drama unfolds across America, and it is drama, we will be calling you back. I hope you will see the light eventually and apologize for your ineptitude. (Someone doesn't like the other word I used)

Edited January 16, 2013 by Mr VJP

[Doewhacker]

You are too predictable Vinny. Thank goodness these things are fought in courts by guys unlike you.

[Mr VJP]

Really? Where do you think I fight them?

LOL!

[Doewhacker]

So now you are going to pretend to be a lawyer?

[steve863]

I presume you're correct. But what do statistics show? Logically, you'd need them to back up your statement. Please post them ASAP. BTW, why does slavery still exist in many parts of the world today then?

Oh please, don't even start with the slavery issue. The US was one of the LAST civilized nations to ban it on their land. Many were backward thinkers then, just like many of you are backward thinkers today.

[Mr VJP]

So now you are going to pretend to be a lawyer?

Univ Of Maryland, College Park & Georgetown University Law School

I pretend to care what anti-gun folks think though.

[Doewhacker]

You must be famous in the court room for your antics. Lol

[steve863]

Univ Of Maryland, College Park & Georgetown University Law School

Mopping the bathroom floors of those institutions don't make you a lawyer, though.

[Mr VJP]

LOL! Proletariat morons abound!

Edited January 16, 2013 by Mr VJP

[ants]

No one has taken a single gun from you on the state level, and we have the strictest rules in the Union, so I was never wrong to begin with.

You're right. But what about the fact that under this new law, if you currently own an "assault rifle" you can keep it , but you can not transfere or sell it to anyone in NY. You can't even will it to someone. When you die it has to be surrendered to the state. Is that a back door way to confiscation?

[First-light]

This downstate idiot that elected all those downstate idiot politicians liked what President Obama had to say. It's a start and the battle has begun.

[steve863]

This downstate idiot that elected all those downstate idiot politicians liked what President Obama had to say. It's a start and the battle has begun.

He made a very good speech. To the point, without insulting anyone on the other side of the issue, unlike we see here from the pro-gun side. I have a hunch he will win the majority of the publics support with at least the universal background checks for ALL gun sales, and magazine capacity limit. The total assault weapons ban I am not sure about, but again, that part of the law is all cosmetic anyway. People will still be able to buy the same weapon without some of the so called "evil" features, and that's pretty much it. The paranoia and rally cries from the pro-gun side that he is out to confiscate all weapons will not go very far this time out. Will only make them look like fools and that's about it. Time for gun owners to agree on some sensible improvements to gun laws and go on with it.

[First-light]

Well said Steve.

[HuntOrBeHunted]

Fact of the matter is that NY is just a weakening state. In texas I bet there won't be all these new laws. And I know what a lot of you are going to say.. Move there, and trust me I will not be having kids and making a life in NY Texas may be screaming my name.

But I feel bad for you down-state folks because your on the front lines and half of you don't even see it. My grand dad must be turning in his grave right now as he loved his freedom.

[burmjohn]

He made a very good speech. To the point, without insulting anyone on the other side of the issue, unlike we see here from the pro-gun side. I have a hunch he will win the majority of the publics support with at least the universal background checks for ALL gun sales, and magazine capacity limit. The total assault weapons ban I am not sure about, but again, that part of the law is all cosmetic anyway. People will still be able to buy the same weapon without some of the so called "evil" features, and that's pretty much it. The paranoia and rally cries from the pro-gun side that he is out to confiscate all weapons will not go very far this time out. Will only make them look like fools and that's about it. Time for gun owners to agree on some sensible improvements to gun laws and go on with it.

I'm not against all of the proposed changes. Universal BG checks, not a bad idea, if its done right. The problem is, once you give an inch, they will take a mile.

[nyantler]

I keep hearing about more "sensible" gun laws...How many do we need? 45,000 isn't enough? Or maybe we have to keep trying until they actual work to reduce crime... nothing we do in the way of laws will reduce gun violence by criminals... it's been proven time and time again in the U.S... What is it that some just can't seem to understand? There is nothing sensible about the liberal approach to reducing gun violence... it's a notion that makes some of you feel good, yet does nothing to curb the violence... it makes as much sense as passing out "assault weapons" to drug cartels in Mexico or blaming a YouTube video for the death of 4 Americans in Bengazi... gun owners should take the same approach with new "sensible" gun laws as our current administration took after those two debacles and push them aside as if they didn't happen.

[Doc]

Well, here's the deal ..... We already have universal background checks for initial purchases. A few weeks back when I bought my Ruger American .270, I had a background check run on me along with all kinds of other info filled out on a form. So, what's new?

Ok, here is what's new: background checks required for private sales. The question is, is this just another version of outlawing private sales of guns because of the unrealistic plan of having a federal firearms dealer run the check for you for some piddly little fee (which is just another way of saying that it will never actually happen) and your firearms will be virtually unsaleable.

[nyantler]

Why does there need to be a separate background check done each time you make a purchase? Once you own a gun and have been checked it should be a no brainer after that... we all know that the information is on record once you have been checked once... so why not give out a card that says you are on the "good guy" list and all you have to do after that is show your card? If you commit a crime after being checked they will check if you are a gun owner anyway so they can revoke your card and you will be on the "bad guy" list... If they're going to start keeping track anyway, why not give the law abiding citizen a break so at least he doesn't have to go through all the BS for each purchase? The answer is because they care just as much about keeping track of the good guys as the bad guys.

[132 eight pointer]

I have legally owned a .22 pistol with a ten shot clip since 1988. As of yesterday the clip is illegal.Today I heard a Senator on a radio show say 7 rounds can be carried in the "illegal" clip and it will be "legal". Now you guys that see no problem with this legislation tell me how much sense this makes and how many lives are going to be spared by my weapon of mass destruction.I am an independent registered voter, I will never vote for a Democrat again as long as I live.This was forced legislation.It is oppressive and will do nothing to prevent crime,stop defending the anti-gun Democrats.

[Nomad]

Ah come on man 7 is a fun number,7-11's, 7 dwarfs , 7 colors in the rainbow, 7 music notes .

Our leaders are no dummies......