Curious, whats everyone's vote / thoughts on Gambling Amendment, Proposal 1?

[Five Seasons]

you know what I mean culver.

[jjb4900]

If it creates jobs and gets more money flowing into the economy, then I'm all for it. As for the problems it may create? I'm not too concerned.............we have thousands of legal places for people to fill themselves to the brim with booze and then go cause whatever damage they may to either themselves and their families or to people they have never met, can't see casino's causing that many problems.

[pewlodar]

I have to say it's interesting that some of the pro-gun crowd is also anti-gambling. You fight so much for your rights... but only pick and choose which rights/freedoms are ok? The point in fighting for your rights and freedom is that it doesn't really matter "which", it's the fact that the government is telling you no. Haven't we all used the argument to the anti-gun crowd regarding the 1st amendment and asked them how they would feel if they took that away? You can't pick and choose.

Last time I checked there are numerous ways to gamble in NY. Feel free to choose one of those. If you tell me I can't own certain firearms then why can't gambling be limited to crappy video lottery systems.

Sounds fair to me.

Edited October 30, 2013 by pewlodar

[Five Seasons]

it's only fair to you because you're not a gambler. Did you know playing poker for money with your buddies is gambling?

 

I'd like to add that I do not gamble. I just do not agree with the government telling me what I can and can't do. You should all feel the same, but only choose to when the issue is important to you and that's wrong.

Edited October 30, 2013 by Belo

[burmjohn]

I'm not a "gambler", however we go to foxwoods or AC maybe once every year (now with kids, we went once in the last three years).  However, I'm more interested in the shows / entertainment  / something else to do factor it brings to the table up in Sullivan County along with the jobs.  

[Culvercreek hunt club]

you know what I mean culver.

I know. I was just making the point that they aren't really on the same level. I would put it more at the level of the public smoking ban.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

something else to do factor it brings to the table up in Sullivan County along with the jobs.  

 Any idea what the jobs there pay?

[burmjohn]

 Any idea what the jobs there pay?

 

No idea. I'm assuming there will be a range depending upon the requirements from a janitor to managers. 

[PWGUNNY]

I would vote yes if I knew it wouldn't be putting casinos on Long Island.  I agree that people will gamble anyway and NY should not watch revenue disappear to NJ,PA,CT.

[burmjohn]

I would vote yes if I knew it wouldn't be putting casinos on Long Island.  I agree that people will gamble anyway and NY should not watch revenue disappear to NJ,PA,CT.

 

I don't believe any are proposed for the Island / NYC Area.

[pewlodar]

it's only fair to you because you're not a gambler. Did you know playing poker for money with your buddies is gambling?

I'd like to add that I do not gamble. I just do not agree with the government telling me what I can and can't do. You should all feel the same, but only choose to when the issue is important to you and that's wrong.

Typical response from you making assumption and trying to read between the lines.

I stated why I will voted against it.

Did you know buying a gun raffle ticket is gambling?

[Five Seasons]

I know. I was just making the point that they aren't really on the same level. I would put it more at the level of the public smoking ban.

 

agreed, although the issue with public smoking is that it affects the health of those nearby. Abortion is another similar topic, but it falls more in-line with "when does life begin" on what the gov't can tell you to do with your body. lets leave that alone in this thread though. haha.

[Five Seasons]

Typical response from you making assumption and trying to read between the lines.

I stated why I will voted against it.

Did you know buying a gun raffle ticket is gambling?

 

how is this a typical response from me? Not voting for something because a politician who you dislike is behind it is exactly what's wrong with this country. I'm a republican voting conservative, but there are views the republicans have I disagree with. There are particular republicans I do not like. And I've seen both parties veto bills from the other party that were good for everyone "just to prove a point". If we were less political and more common sense and created laws that made sense for everyone then we might not have the problems we do in this country. If como was for reducing property taxes (haha) would you vote against it because he was supporting it?

[Culvercreek hunt club]

it's only fair to you because you're not a gambler. Did you know playing poker for money with your buddies is gambling?

 

I'd like to add that I do not gamble. I just do not agree with the government telling me what I can and can't do. You should all feel the same, but only choose to when the issue is important to you and that's wrong.

 

Actually the proposition is not whether it will be legal or illegal for a person to gamble or not. The State Constitution has provisions that need to be alters to allow it. Currently the constitution does not allow for activities like table games. (notice how they skirted around it for things like Video terminals and lotteries). THis is actually the correct way to go about it and if they wanted to modify the state constitution to eliminate the 2nd ammendment they should have attempted a similiar route as well. (Same goes for the National but they know it would never fly- Hence the end around). To be honest the ones opposing this measure and against what took place under the UnSafe Act are really being pretty consistent if you view both as upholding the Constitution.

Edited October 30, 2013 by Culvercreek hunt club

[Five Seasons]

that's some good insight culver. thanks.

[hunter49]

    Vote NO for proposal 1& vote all the A-holes out that voted yes for the safe act!

[growalot]

I'm not voting no JUST because Cuomo wants it...I'm looking at the real big picture and it's implications..yes for him ...but the state as a whole....when one puts on blinders and views just the narrow portions of life..... they find making decisions easier....things look so cut and dry...it's not and.... I won't buy into the hype...... when I can call upon history to show the truth behind the smoke and mirrors....

 

PS.... Belo Don't ask..lord I can see it coming and I'm not going to hold your hand and walk you through it step by step.....

[Five Seasons]

ask what? about the crime associated with gambling from the 1920s?

[Doc]

The real problem of this proposal may very well be all the palm-greasing and favoritism that will accompany the location selection process. Could be that Andy's election coffers and those of the NYS Democrat party candidates may have some sudden increases in benefactors as a result.

[raymerlo]

think about all the PR dollars that will not come into NYS that were going to wildlife restoration because of the

 

safe act,ammo sales are dropping 

 

gun sales also,think coumo will make up the difference when the casinos come in,the politicians stick it to us

 

and some of you want to make nice with them,I don't get it

[covert]

I've been all for legalizing casino gambling since waaay back when they let the Indians build Turning Stone.  I think it would be a good source of jobs and revenue if handled correctly. 

 

That being said, we will be voting NO on Prop 1 as a thank you to Emporer Coomo for the SAFE Act.  I have been encouraging all of the registered voters I know to do the same.

[pewlodar]

The Democrat and Chronicle had a very interesting article about how little of an economic impact the Seneca casinos have had.

[jjb4900]

The Democrat and Chronicle had a very interesting article about how little of an economic impact the Seneca casinos have had.

I've never been to a NY casino, always go to CT.........I think the majority of New Yorkers who are looking for a true casino experience either go to NJ, CT or Vegas.........the way casino's are currently set up in NY are lousy and second rate.

[New York Hillbilly]

In 1979  when I was just barely into my 20's I got blasted by the older guys I worked with for saying I thought NY should legalize gambling. As we watched factory after factory move out turning upstate into a rust belt, my thought was we should legalize gambling and build a casino on the shores of Oneida Lake. Using the Erie Canal system would literally connect the casino to the world as traffic in by boat through the Great Lakes and Hudson River. Either Syracuse or Oneida airports could bring people in by air. Rather than recycle the same money from store to store here locally we would bring in money from outside. Bad idea right?  Fast forward a bunch of years and look at "Turning Stone", and where it is built. I guess somebody was listening or had the same thinking I did. But, it wasn't our leaders.

 

In the late 1980's when I was working in a solder factory that supplied the emerging computer boom, I was vocal about how we should focus on luring silicon chip manufacturers to the area. Here again all I hear was the long list of reasons why it was a dumb idea, and would not work. Now 25 years later it is all the rage.

 

Gambling aside, the message here is, the reason NY is in the sad shape it is in is the lack of vision from it's leaders and people. As always we are a quarter of a century behind the times! I voted yes to legalized gambling in 1979, before anyone else was even thinking about it!

Edited November 4, 2013 by New York Hillbilly

[jjb4900]

In 1979  when I was just barely into my 20's I got blasted by the older guys I worked with for saying I thought NY should legalize gambling. As we watched factory after factory move out turning upstate into a rust belt, my thought was we should legalize gambling and build a casino on the shores of Oneida Lake. Using the Erie Canal system would literally connect the casino to the world as traffic in by boat through the Great Lakes and Hudson River. Either Syracuse or Oneida airports could bring people in by air. Rather than recycle the same money from store to store here locally we would bring in money from outside. Bad idea right?  Fast forward a bunch of years and look at "Turning Stone", and where it is built. I guess somebody was listening or had the same thinking I did. But, it wasn't our leaders.

 

In the late 1980's when I was working in a solder factory that supplied the emerging computer boom, I was vocal about how we should focus on luring silicon chip manufacturers to the area. Here again all I hear was the long list of reasons why it was a dumb idea, and would not work. Now 25 years later it is all the rage.

 

Gambling aside, the message here is, the reason NY is in the sad shape it is in is the lack of vision from it's leaders and people. As always we are a quarter of a century behind the times! I voted yeas to legalized gambling in 1979, before anyone else was even thinking about it!

yup, I don't see too many businesses breaking down the door to set up shop in NY these days, better take what we can get..............