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DEC doing Public Land Survey- Better Voice it NOW!

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wooly Newbie

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For sure the antis and non hunters are flooding the DEC with their participation in this! Don't complain after the fact if you don't fill it out....

 

The only time I use NY public land is for non hunting related recreational activities so that's what I based my answers on.

I am far from being an anti-anything, or a non hunter, but this reply makes it sound like my input is coming from hunter enemy #1.

Hunters need to quit separating themselves from the pack, and learn to share the lands available with everyone, to enjoy whatever outdoors activities they wish.

 

Everyone wonders why hunters run into so many hurdles trying to secure permissions to private lands and perhaps open new public grounds, when their narrow minded approach only accommodates themselves.

 

IMO- the non hunting outdoors enthusiast is likely to be more understanding of sharing public grounds with hunters, than hunters are willing to accept the fact that non hunters have just as much right to enjoy their activities as well.

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IMO- the non hunting outdoors enthusiast is likely to be more understanding of sharing public grounds with hunters, than hunters are willing to accept the fact that non hunters have just as much right to enjoy their activities as well.

I absolutely agree. Why would a pack of a dozen mountain bikers or hikers hooting and hollering on their way through the inescapable maze of paint smeared bike trails worry about some hunters sitting quietly in the woods hoping that some blind and deaf deer comes stumbling through all that ruckus. Sure they're willing to share or "invade". Hell, lets fill the woods with ATVs and snowmobiles and give those guys a crack at state land too. What the heck, we can hack a few of those pesky trees out of these areas and open up some nice public ski lifts (nothing fancy, just rope lifts) and give those folks equal access to state lands.....lol.

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The only time I use NY public land is for non hunting related recreational activities so that's what I based my answers on.

I am far from being an anti-anything, or a non hunter, but this reply makes it sound like my input is coming from hunter enemy #1.

Hunters need to quit separating themselves from the pack, and learn to share the lands available with everyone, to enjoy whatever outdoors activities they wish.

 

Everyone wonders why hunters run into so many hurdles trying to secure permissions to private lands and perhaps open new public grounds, when their narrow minded approach only accommodates themselves.

 

IMO- the non hunting outdoors enthusiast is likely to be more understanding of sharing public grounds with hunters, than hunters are willing to accept the fact that non hunters have just as much right to enjoy their activities as well.

 

In my experience hunters have always accommodated non-hunters however the reverse has not always been true.  You may not hunt on public ground but you should not treat your fellow hunters who may not have the luxury of access to private land so poorly.  In the recent past animal rights group have illegally harassed hunters in places like NW New Jersey making hunting all but  impossible.  I can't think of a single instance whereby hunters attempted to deny legal land use to the non-hunting public.  Please make such facts known.

 

According to the DEC  Hunters, fishermen and trappers are the only interest group that contributes directly to the Conservation Fund which is used to acquire and manage state recreational lands:

 

"The hunting, fishing and trapping community in New York State is the only interest group that funds the management of the resources that are important to them."

 "Hunting, fishing and trapping license sales (1.5 million per year) generate approximately $47 million dollars per year that is deposited into the Conservation Fund."  - 2013 Conservation Fund Advisory Board letter.  (Available at the NYDEC website).

 

Hunters, fishermen and trappers are the group most responsible for the public recreational lands yet and are the most willing to share those lands with everyone. 

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I absolutely agree. Why would a pack of a dozen mountain bikers or hikers hooting and hollering on their way through the inescapable maze of paint smeared bike trails worry about some hunters sitting quietly in the woods hoping that some blind and deaf deer comes stumbling through all that ruckus. Sure they're willing to share or "invade". Hell, lets fill the woods with ATVs and snowmobiles and give those guys a crack at state land too. What the heck, we can hack a few of those pesky trees out of these areas and open up some nice public ski lifts (nothing fancy, just rope lifts) and give those folks equal access to state lands.....lol.

What can I say to that...?

 Us mountain bikers, hikers, birdwatchers, and photographers are forced to be obnoxiously loud out of fear those silent, drunken, litterbug snipers in the treetops will mistake us for a cautious critters tip toeing through the leaf litter.

I don't think you can stereotype different groups here without being fair to them all... hunters included,lol

Even when you got all hunters on the same page with one end goal in sight, there remains a divide. How many times have you heard the pissing and moaning here alone about them pesky small game and turkey hunters interrupting big game season by intrusion... or was that by inclusion? Hunters don't even like being in the woods with other hunters. Go figure.

If you're looking to spend quiet hunting time in the woods, then public land probably isn't going to be where you're gonna find it, but last I checked, making a little noise and enjoying the outdoors was still legal.

If you don't own, or can't find private land to carry out your hunting adventures because someone else is likely using it for that purpose already, it may be time to be a little more tolerant of the "non-hunting public" since they seem to be the ones standing in the doorway between hunters and todays "prime" hunting grounds.

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Two Track Newbie

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Done. 

 

Will have to see if can get wife to do one. I am working and she and our daughter are staying with a friend at the beach.  She may be disconnected until she gets back to civilization.

 

Anyone know how long this survey is up for?

 

I have some friends that may fill it out too, but they are away for the weekend.

 

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What can I say to that...?

 Us mountain bikers, hikers, birdwatchers, and photographers are forced to be obnoxiously loud out of fear those silent, drunken, litterbug snipers in the treetops will mistake us for a cautious critters tip toeing through the leaf litter.

I don't think you can stereotype different groups here without being fair to them all... hunters included,lol

Even when you got all hunters on the same page with one end goal in sight, there remains a divide. How many times have you heard the pissing and moaning here alone about them pesky small game and turkey hunters interrupting big game season by intrusion... or was that by inclusion? Hunters don't even like being in the woods with other hunters. Go figure.

If you're looking to spend quiet hunting time in the woods, then public land probably isn't going to be where you're gonna find it, but last I checked, making a little noise and enjoying the outdoors was still legal.

If you don't own, or can't find private land to carry out your hunting adventures because someone else is likely using it for that purpose already, it may be time to be a little more tolerant of the "non-hunting public" since they seem to be the ones standing in the doorway between hunters and todays "prime" hunting grounds.

Dont worry Wooly, It wont be long and there will be no hunting on state parks. With guns anyway's. The bikers and hikers will soon out number and over power hunters and the state will fold for the monies.

How the heck wll we hunt when Ny takes all our guns away?  Here is where you pencil in Archery and X-Bow's if we are lucky!

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I took it ,but you must bullet vote.that means check hunting only,when given vote for any or all voting for more then one takes away from the one that you care the most about.

Although I tend to agree with Wooly , I made my stand with hunters even though I never outside of a few trips to the ADK hunt state land.

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wooly Newbie

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I can only relate personal experiences. That's not stereotyping

Well then have I ever got news for you..... gunfire doesn't have much of a calming affect on deer movement neither, so chances are you wouldn't have enjoyed yourself either way,lol

If you could see and hear the bikers coming down the paint stained tree path, I think you may want to reconsider your public land set up strategies.

Again, I'm no public land hunting expert....it's just my hunch you may need to get in a little deeper than the parking lot or foot paths. ;)

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