CWD in NY

[luberhill]

https://www.wwnytv.com/2024/10/27/state-chronic-wasting-disease-case-confirmed/?outputType=amp

[landtracdeerhunter]

Yes  up in the Watertown area. Random testing. I don't understand how it can't be in the wild deer herd?

[Four Seasons]

2 hours ago, landtracdeerhunter said:

Yes  up in the Watertown area. Random testing. I don't understand how it can't be in the wild deer herd?

Where did you get your info from?  Region 6 is like 6 counties? 

[suburbanfarmer]

8 hours ago, Four Seasons said:

Where did you get your info from?  Region 6 is like 6 counties? 

https://dec.ny.gov/news/press-releases/2024/10/new-york-state-confirms-an-isolated-detection-of-chronic-wasting-disease-in-decs-region-6

[mowin]

I'm assuming if you're in the same region FS, you'll probably get notified? 

[Four Seasons]

2 minutes ago, mowin said:

I'm assuming if you're in the same region FS, you'll probably get notified? 

Known about it for a couple days now. Amazing how shit spreads. Like it’s even an issue anymore in many places. Wisconsin does not even test for the harmless crap anymore. When the federal monies run out…It disappears.  

[Four Seasons]

51 minutes ago, suburbanfarmer said:

https://dec.ny.gov/news/press-releases/2024/10/new-york-state-confirms-an-isolated-detection-of-chronic-wasting-disease-in-decs-region-6

That says nothing about the case being in Watertown area?  The first cases that we had were in Oneida.  Region 6. Back in 05.  The stuff does not just go away. You see you have to test something to find something. They test 0.0001 of the wild herd and 100% of any fenced animals. Where will they find it first. 

[landtracdeerhunter]

8 hours ago, Four Seasons said:

Known about it for a couple days now. Amazing how shit spreads. Like it’s even an issue anymore in many places. Wisconsin does not even test for the harmless crap anymore. When the federal monies run out…It disappears.  

I do believe politics has entered the picture.  With New York, you know how that plays out.

[Four Seasons]

15 minutes ago, landtracdeerhunter said:

I do believe politics has entered the picture.  With New York, you know how that plays out.

Cwd has been a political money grab disease from the jump. Amazing hunters believe that this is a threat to their herd or sport. Sucks the stuff is around but just like it sucks when someone gets real cancer but we all have the gene in us. 

[escpen]

10 hours ago, Four Seasons said:

Known about it for a couple days now. 

Is it anywhere close to the facility you are associated with?

This article suggests Jefferson County, Watertown area ... https://www.outdoornews.com/2024/10/28/cwd-discovered-in-whitetail-at-jefferson-county-facility-in-new-york/

What does the state do with the other animals in a facility with confirmed CWD?

[Four Seasons]

30 minutes ago, escpen said:

Is it anywhere close to the facility you are associated with?

This article suggests Jefferson County, Watertown area ... https://www.outdoornews.com/2024/10/28/cwd-discovered-in-whitetail-at-jefferson-county-facility-in-new-york/

What does the state do with the other animals in a facility with confirmed CWD?

This will be a fine example of not to believe everything you read and who is trying to push narratives. Years ago it was total depopulation. Now is farming thru cwd. As you can see. We had it in 05 and have not had another case since till now. Amazes me that they even talk about it anymore. The cwd prion attaches to corn,alfalfa and every other living thing. You can literally buy a bag of corn from Tractor Supply and hand feed your animals CWD. We are breeding CWD out of deer behind fence just like they bred Scrapies out of sheep. Scrapies and CWD are exactly the same. Misfolded prions. More deer die on the thruway between Syracuse and Rochester every fall then die from the complications of CWD. Just like when a hunter kills a perfectly healthy 200 pound 5yr old 12pt buck and he is positive.You have to look to find CWD which is why they have to test to find it. They go looking for the problem. Yet 1000’s of head of Whitetails die yearly, laying rotting right in front of them from EHD. It was all a money grab from the states from the federal govt and now someone smart enough in power up there is cutting off the cash flow. Hence CWD will go by the way of Ebola one day soon. Wisconsin does not even test for the stuff anymore. 

[escpen]

9 minutes ago, Four Seasons said:

This will be a fine example of not to believe everything you read and who is trying to push narratives. Years ago it was total depopulation. Now is farming thru cwd. As you can see. We had it in 05 and have not had another case since till now.

What narrative do you think is trying to be pushed and what part of the article shouldn't be believed?  It's good, in my opinion, that folks livelihoods aren't at stake as might be the case with total depopulations.

9 minutes ago, Four Seasons said:

The cwd prion attaches to corn, alfalfa and every other living thing. You can literally buy a bag of corn from Tractor Supply and hand feed your animals CWD. 

So it would be better to not have the prion on the landscape to begin with then, right?

9 minutes ago, Four Seasons said:

We are breeding CWD out of deer behind fence just like they bred Scrapies out of sheep. Scrapies and CWD are exactly the same. Misfolded prions. 

I listened to an interesting podcast on this topic - the HUNTR podcast had Dr. Chris Seabury on to talk about the genetic testing he and his research team have done at Texas A&M on CWD "resistant" deer.  That guy really seems to know his stuff.  I think he mentioned that Scrapies and CWD are similar (both misfolded prions), but also slightly different based on the species they impact (could be misremembering that, though).  I believe Oklahoma is actually releasing "resistant" farm-raised deer into their wild herd to help combat the long-term impacts (perceived or real - I'm not going to judge) of CWD.

9 minutes ago, Four Seasons said:

It was all a money grab from the states from the federal govt and now someone smart enough in power up there is cutting off the cash flow. Hence CWD will go by the way of Ebola one day soon.

Federal funding for CWD research is being cut?

9 minutes ago, Four Seasons said:

Wisconsin does not even test for the stuff anymore. 

In captive herds?  They are certainly testing for it in the wild herds, but I believe it is a voluntary program.  A buddy of mine hunts Wisconsin every year, took a good buck last year, and it tested positive for CWD.  He was a bit bummed to not be able to use the meat (his choice - wasn't worth the risk, however small, of exposing his family), but will certainly continue to hunt there.

 

Back to my original question - is your facility impacted in any way by this?  Increase in testing, maybe?  Has a test for live animals been developed or is it still only able to be done after an animal has died?

[Four Seasons]

41 minutes ago, escpen said:

What narrative do you think is trying to be pushed and what part of the article shouldn't be believed?  It's good, in my opinion, that folks livelihoods aren't at stake as might be the case with total depopulations.

So it would be better to not have the prion on the landscape to begin with then, right?

I listened to an interesting podcast on this topic - the HUNTR podcast had Dr. Chris Seabury on to talk about the genetic testing he and his research team have done at Texas A&M on CWD "resistant" deer.  That guy really seems to know his stuff.  I think he mentioned that Scrapies and CWD are similar (both misfolded prions), but also slightly different based on the species they impact (could be misremembering that, though).  I believe Oklahoma is actually releasing "resistant" farm-raised deer into their wild herd to help combat the long-term impacts (perceived or real - I'm not going to judge) of CWD.

Federal funding for CWD research is being cut?

In captive herds?  They are certainly testing for it in the wild herds, but I believe it is a voluntary program.  A buddy of mine hunts Wisconsin every year, took a good buck last year, and it tested positive for CWD.  He was a bit bummed to not be able to use the meat (his choice - wasn't worth the risk, however small, of exposing his family), but will certainly continue to hunt there.

 

Back to my original question - is your facility impacted in any way by this?  Increase in testing, maybe?  Has a test for live animals been developed or is it still only able to be done after an animal has died?

The narrative is to be rid of high fence.   Yes it would be nice not to have the prions on the landscape. But tell me. They stop live deer movement into states but do not try and stop every other vector that can carry Cwd prions. Stop corn and hay sales from positive states and such. Won’t happen because that’s not part of the narrative. They will take the risk on every other vector but not a multi billion dollar whitetail industry. And that’s your DEC at work. We have the better product and thousands use it rather then hunt smaller animals. Yes Dr Seabury is a pretty smart cookie when it comes to this stuff. Myself I have been breading with resistant genes for 3 years now. Live tests are used and allowed in Texas but not accepted in Ny. Now our Tb test program is only 85% effective which is the same as the live test for cwd and the Tb is ok to use but the cwd live test not???? Hmmm.  Makes ya wonder huh? That’s because back then it was 100% depopulation and DEC could use that tool to rid the landscape of a positive farm. But the federal govt finally quit giving out indemnity payouts to farms to depopulate. At the average price per head as it stands today if I got CWD and they wanted to depopulate me they would pay me right around 900 grand. And they paid that kind of money for years to 1000’s of farms across the country. Just for them to buy another piece of ground and start back up again. They finally saw that CWD is all but harmless after 60 plus years.   My world will not change at all from this positive. It’s over 90 miles from me. Hence don’t listen to all you read. They did stop deer movement permits yesterday until they get this investigation over but I moved all of my bucks out last month. They will open up the movement permits again in a couple weeks I’m sure.  The sad thing is in the area outside the fence the DEC is going to kill a pile of healthy deer looking for it and make hunters turn their heads in. You would think if the state just did more testing in all the areas of the state they could get a better handle on things. One thing I can all but promise you is that there is CWD in Ny state wild deer. They just don’t test for it. Down near the Pa border without a doubt. 

Edited Tuesday at 01:54 PM by Four Seasons

[grampy]

So.....it's ok for deer farms to ship out deer that may, or may not have CWD, to areas where it has not been established?

[Four Seasons]

2 hours ago, grampy said:

So.....it's ok for deer farms to ship out deer that may, or may not have CWD, to areas where it has not been established?

So….Its ok to ship a load of corn or a tractor trailer full of hay to areas that may not have CWD?  Typical narrative pusher at its best. My deer are 25 plus years CWD tested, closed herd for 15years and I’m double fenced my deer are safer then most vectors. How about we close the boarders to hunters from leaving their states so they don’t bring positive stuff in!! 

[Four Seasons]

On 10/29/2024 at 8:03 AM, escpen said:

Is it anywhere close to the facility you are associated with?

This article suggests Jefferson County, Watertown area ... https://www.outdoornews.com/2024/10/28/cwd-discovered-in-whitetail-at-jefferson-county-facility-in-new-york/

What does the state do with the other animals in a facility with confirmed CWD?

As to your question to what this might have to do with my business? Movement permits were not even stopped for a full 24 hours. Business as usual. Funny how people believe what they read and jump to conclusions before they even get half of the facts. What do you think they will say when they find out it was not a whitetail or had anything to do with high fence hunting?  Some things will never change. I just had to read what the smart people had to say elsewhere and I see some things never change. I love living rent free but you might want to be careful about saying anything positive about me. You might lose friends. 

[escpen]

43 minutes ago, Four Seasons said:

What do you think they will say when they find out it was not a whitetail or had anything to do with high fence hunting?  Some things will never change. I just had to read what the smart people had to say elsewhere and I see some things never change. I love living rent free but you might want to be careful about saying anything positive about me. You might lose friends. 

Not a whitetail?  So the referenced articles are inaccurate?  If so, that's really terrible.  

I appreciate you entertaining my questions - you are uniquely positioned to share a different perspective than most and, in the spirit of continuous learning, I can personally benefit by having some insight into that perspective.

[Four Seasons]

40 minutes ago, escpen said:

Not a whitetail?  So the referenced articles are inaccurate?  If so, that's really terrible.  

I appreciate you entertaining my questions - you are uniquely positioned to share a different perspective than most and, in the spirit of continuous learning, I can personally benefit by having some insight into that perspective.

And Thanks for the positive words to the haters. Sure that didn’t leave a great taste in their mouths.  They said Jefferson Cty in the write up and it was 90 plus miles away. Red deer in a closed herd since 2006 with huge Restaurant sales and meat market sales. Nothing hunting related. 

[Steve D]

October 27, 2024 

New York State Confirms an Isolated Detection of Chronic Wasting Disease in DEC’S Region 6

The New York State Departments of Agriculture and Markets (AGM) and Environmental Conservation (DEC), in coordination with the State Department of Health (DOH), today announced a confirmed case of Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) in a facility in DEC’s Region 6 area.

While there is no evidence that CWD is present in wild deer at this time, DEC will initiate enhanced surveillance in wild deer working with local hunters, processors, and taxidermists in the area. Efforts are also underway to collect roadkill to determine if CWD is present in wild deer.

It's what happens when you just read the headlines.

https://dec.ny.gov/news/press-releases/2024/10/new-york-state-confirms-an-isolated-detection-of-chronic-wasting-disease-in-decs-region-6

 

 

[mowin]

15 hours ago, Four Seasons said:

As to your question to what this might have to do with my business? Movement permits were not even stopped for a full 24 hours. Business as usual. Funny how people believe what they read and jump to conclusions before they even get half of the facts. What do you think they will say when they find out it was not a whitetail or had anything to do with high fence hunting?  Some things will never change. I just had to read what the smart people had to say elsewhere and I see some things never change. I love living rent free but you might want to be careful about saying anything positive about me. You might lose friends. 

In all honesty, you make it easy to "hate".  Most asked questions as all we have to go by is what is reported. So, ya, it's what be "believe" to be true, but you're defensive attitude from the start is what throws people off, but I kinda understand why. 

All I was looking for is what you knew about the situation.  Whitetail or not, still concerning to most hunters.