No Fracking in NYS

[reeltime]

Have you seen any of it taking place? Not a pissing match, I am truly trying to find out. Has it been done?

 

in the last 10 years they have done some timber cutting on the lake marsh game lands in wayne county.  one of my charter customers does quite a firewood business and he does quite a bit on state land via contracts with the DEC.

[Jennifer]

They log some of the state forest land here in WNY, and have been looking at mineral leases last I heard. I have a friend that does survey work for the DEC, and have seen some logging personally on state land near me.

 

For all of the money that timber companies have to tempt the state with, I guarantee oil has more. Moot point, though.

[wildcat junkie]

I'm wondering if some of these gas companies might start putting some research into finding non-toxic cocktails to inject into the earth with this process. Get rid of the (secret) toxins and instantly the opposition goes away.

Yeah, ain't it funny how they got exempted from the clean water act?

[wildcat junkie]

Remember the "ozone layer"?

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Remember banning flourocarbon aerosol propellents years ago?

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Did this do anything to the existing vertical fracking that is currently being done?

[mike rossi]

Good - science and common sense prevailed...

 

 And the comments on Cuomo's face book page to a fracking post about this by hunters is concerning. Calling people liberals and saying to them them they "probably don't own enough land to piss on"  is real conducive to support for hunting and a good public image of hunters...  Then claim to be "conservationists" and "sportsmen".

 

These people were engaged, numerous, organized, and dedicated. Getting them against you when a hunting issue comes to the table is real smart... Don't give me this crap they all are already against hunting either. After some of the comments and exchanges about this on face book, I am sure hunters lost credibility among people who never were previously biased against hunting and/or hunters....

 

 

[Freytown]

Please show me where I said that. Of course Fracking has brought in more production lowering the cost of gas and oil. Also lowering profits for the Gas and Oil industry making it harder for the smaller companies to  pay off bebt and survive.

 

I never said it did not lower the price for gas.

 

 

You didn't Dave, my comment was to the reply to my original post. I guess some are confused or just don't understand the positive impact fracking has made on oil/gas prices in the USA.

[First-light]

Have you seen any of it taking place? Not a pissing match, I am truly trying to find out. Has it been done?

Not logging but you can't compare the two. I think logging would be beneficial to the eco system. Fracking don't think so.

And yes, not a pissing match.

Edited December 19, 2014 by First-light

[wildcat junkie]

Coming to a plot of land near you. Notice the wind sock?

 

[Culvercreek hunt club]

I can't find anything on the existing vertical fracking. anyone?

[Mr VJP]

Good - science and common sense prevailed...

 

 And the comments on Cuomo's face book page to a fracking post about this by hunters is concerning. Calling people liberals and saying to them them they "probably don't own enough land to piss on"  is real conducive to support for hunting and a good public image of hunters...  Then claim to be "conservationists" and "sportsmen".

 

These people were engaged, numerous, organized, and dedicated. Getting them against you when a hunting issue comes to the table is real smart... Don't give me this crap they all are already against hunting either. After some of the comments and exchanges about this on face book, I am sure hunters lost credibility among people who never were previously biased against hunting and/or hunters....

 

Well, when you kick a dog enough, it's going to turn and bite you.  Then you can say the dog is dangerous and ask that it be put down.  That's how you give a good dog a bad image.  The public's perception can be manipulated.

 

Hunters never had to voice a concern in PA because they weren't being attacked for being OK with fracking.  I guess there are no scientists in PA either.  Especially since fracking began, there hasn't been any political will to shut it down.

[Sogaard]

What is your view on the documentary, GasLand?

[First-light]

I can't find anything on the existing vertical fracking. anyone?

The fracking ban will prevent drillers from using what is formally known as high-volume hydraulic fracturing, in which millions of gallons of water is shut underground at high pressure into deep layers of rock that contains natural gas.

Other forms of gas drilling are still legal in New York, including traditional vertical wells that tap into pockets of natural gas, Heath said.

 

The shallow fracking will still be allowed in the state. 

Edited December 19, 2014 by First-light

[mike rossi]

Well, when you kick a dog enough, it's going to turn and bite you.  Then you can say the dog is dangerous and ask that it be put down.  That's how you give a good dog a bad image.  The public's perception can be manipulated.

 

Hunters never had to voice a concern in PA because they weren't being attacked for being OK with fracking.  I guess there are no scientists in PA either.  Especially since fracking began, there hasn't been any political will to shut it down.

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Oh, come off it already... The only awareness that you have that this will be ammo against hunters is probably right here. The mad dog wasn't reacting to abuse, he is just a moron... And that wouldn't be an excuse anyway...  No need to help the manipulation of perception with your own behavior...

 

Your a funny guy...

[Mr VJP]

Why don't you address the situation that exists in PA vs NY Mike?  That would be productive rather than hysterical.

 

[Five Seasons]

They log some of the state forest land here in WNY, and have been looking at mineral leases last I heard. I have a friend that does survey work for the DEC, and have seen some logging personally on state land near me.

 

For all of the money that timber companies have to tempt the state with, I guarantee oil has more. Moot point, though.

 

i guess my comment was directed more towards the adirondacks. My family has had a cabin up there for 50+ years and it's forever wild. I love that the small lake we have a place on does not allow motor boats but the only time we see new growth is when there's a major storm. There are variables for sure, but it just seems the wildlife has been getting less and less and the land has not shrunk.

[Jennifer]

i guess my comment was directed more towards the adirondacks. My family has had a cabin up there for 50+ years and it's forever wild. I love that the small lake we have a place on does not allow motor boats but the only time we see new growth is when there's a major storm. There are variables for sure, but it just seems the wildlife has been getting less and less and the land has not shrunk.

 

I see, thanks for the explanation! I apologize if I misunderstood.

 

Forest ecology is very interesting. I am on a board for a nature preserve that has two properties, and one of the legal requirements of one of them is that it remain forever wild/untouched. The problem with this is the concept is that humans and nature are separate. At one time, perhaps, after the dawn of civilization and much of the world was still remote wilderness with a balanced ecology. Right now, and perhaps never again with the current or larger populations, are we going to see this balance in most areas. We've changed too much. Changed the species of climax timber, changed the apex predators, changed it all too much to leave it be and hope for the best. I used to actually have that mindset: "Nature took care of itself for way longer than humans have existed, leave it alone". This is a nice thought but it shows a bit of ignorance on my part as to the very, very complex changes people have wrought. I just read an article about how lack of understory because of over-browsing of native saplings and native understory plants has allowed invasive species of plant (which deer do not prefer) to take over much more rapidly, and it is also changing the entire ecology of the forest from the tiny microbes in the soil, to insects, to songbirds, etc.

If you ever want an interesting read, and are bored, google the American Chestnut and what that single tree used to do for wildlife in the US.

 

Sorry, that was rambling and off topic. What I am getting at is that careful, thoughtful selective logging and habitat management can go a long way. Leaving some old growth timber is important, but varied habitat is where we see the majority of wildlife.

Edited December 19, 2014 by Jennifer

[philoshop]

Rant withdrawn.

[Merlot]

Coming to a plot of land near you. Notice the wind sock?

 

 

[Merlot]

wind sock for direction drone comes in for a landing?? Why the heck would the site need a wind sock??? interesting...

[Culvercreek hunt club]

They log some of the state forest land here in WNY, and have been looking at mineral leases last I heard. I have a friend that does survey work for the DEC, and have seen some logging personally on state land near me.

 

For all of the money that timber companies have to tempt the state with, I guarantee oil has more. Moot point, though.

Jennifer, were they logging or doing some fire wood removal. From what I have gathered today there are certain classifications of State land that will allow that occasionally but I can't find any reference to any actual logging contracts

[Culvercreek hunt club]

If you ever want an interesting read, and are bored, google the American Chestnut and what that single tree used to do for wildlife in the US.

 

Sorry, that was rambling and off topic. What I am getting at is that careful, thoughtful selective logging and habitat management can go a long way. Leaving some old growth timber is important, but varied habitat is where we see the majority of wildlife.

Preferred whitetail food source. will ("use to"  I mean) walk over and around about anything to get to them. Chinese Chestnuts are very popular right now and are blight resistant, since they were probably the contributing factor in the transport of the blight in the first place.

[Jennifer]

Jennifer, were they logging or doing some fire wood removal. From what I have gathered today there are certain classifications of State land that will allow that occasionally but I can't find any reference to any actual logging contracts

 

Great point. That is a really good distinction. I am not sure-- I can ask my DEC friend.

[Jennifer]

Preferred whitetail food source. will ("use to"  I mean) walk over and around about anything to get to them. Chinese Chestnuts are very popular right now and are blight resistant, since they were probably the contributing factor in the transport of the blight in the first place.

 

SUNY has developed a resistant American Chestnut, and it's being sent to the FDA for approval. It's very interesting and I will be watching that, for sure. They used to be 25% of our Northeastern forests and fed a huge amount of wildlife.

http://www.esf.edu/chestnut/

I will stop derailing this thread now! Just thought it was interesting.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

SUNY has developed a resistant American Chestnut, and it's being sent to the FDA for approval. It's very interesting and I will be watching that, for sure. They used to be 25% of our Northeastern forests and fed a huge amount of wildlife.

http://www.esf.edu/chestnut/

I will stop derailing this thread now! Just thought it was interesting.

Hope it works. I am getting sick of singing "Pine cones roasting on an open fire"