17 year old kills booner... ethical?

[WNYBuckHunter]

WNY do you really think it had CWD???

 

I dont know, thats why I was wondering if they would test it.

[growalot]

PS...I know how to spell accomplishment.....

[kpkot]

Four seasons whitetail...May I ask are whitetail farmer's able to insure their bucks?

On the contrary what if a paying hunter shoots a wild whitetail(somehow broke into enclosed fence) that scores respectively. However this wild whitetail is missing the game farms ear tag. You are on their property now. Are you paying or are you not held responsible?

Im not trying to stir the pot, I am just curious as to how this situation could be viewed differently. Reading most of the above responses the common theme is property ownership. If its your land that your paying taxes on, land you are given permission to hunt on, or state land your within the legal ramifications to harvest that deer.

In the end theres always the line between ethics and legality. It was legal was it ethical? Its not for myself to judge this hunter as he followed the law accordingly. When you think about it I would much rather hear this kind of story then the poacher stories...

[the blur]

I've seen deer jump 6' fences without effort.   They go where the food is, fence or no fence.     The hunting range would need a 15' fence to keep deer inside.

[Jeremy K]

Maybe this will be a lesson to the other deer not to escape during hunting season.

[G-Man]

If you shoot livestock you are in trouble in nys,I guess known deer ft om z farm don't apply. What if that ear tag was tore out and the hunter had no idea until it Showed up and it was killed and tried to enter in the books... seems likerecord books are going to be tainted when the wild game being persued is raised as livestock as well.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

Four seasons whitetail...May I ask are whitetail farmer's able to insure their bucks?

On the contrary what if a paying hunter shoots a wild whitetail(somehow broke into enclosed fence) that scores respectively. However this wild whitetail is missing the game farms ear tag. You are on their property now. Are you paying or are you not held responsible?

Im not trying to stir the pot, I am just curious as to how this situation could be viewed differently. Reading most of the above responses the common theme is property ownership. If its your land that your paying taxes on, land you are given permission to hunt on, or state land your within the legal ramifications to harvest that deer.

In the end theres always the line between ethics and legality. It was legal was it ethical? Its not for myself to judge this hunter as he followed the law accordingly. When you think about it I would much rather hear this kind of story then the poacher stories...

Yes my deer are insured for just about any loss. We are now paid for our animals, by the state of the farm, if we get hit by EHD or CWD. They are called farmed cervids. Some seem to like to call them..Captive Wildlife.. Well they were never captured from the wild.

 

The same rules would apply for a deer coming in a poor fence as a deer going out. The problem here is kinda two-fold..The farmer should be held to high fence upkeep. No Doubt's but life happens and trees do fall, Kids or wives or farmer himself forgets to latch gate and yes even other humans cut fences. On the other hand you have the DEC in control of seeing that every farms fences are to the to repair. Well i myself will tell you that after 15 years i have never been inspected. I cant see how a guy would not keep his fences up when these animals demand so much money when sold. I mean really..20 grand for that 1 animal? That is alot of peoples yearly wage!

I think this went this far because he was a 17 year old kid. We really dont know for a fact that this buck had all kinds of trail cam pics taken of him.I did not read the whole story but do we even know that this kids hunting land and killing spot was not right outside the fence.

We all know and can see where this world and even hunting itself is headed and like it or not high fence will be very much involved, I mean about every person on this site that has land farms for deer in one aspect or the other. 

It will only be a matter of time and you will see record books go by the wayside, I know many on here dont get theirs scored and recorded, i know 7 that i have over the years that would make the cut have not been. With age comes a different thought on hunting and we know us older hunters are on the way out of the sport and many of the few young hunters coming in will be in the mind set of either waiting for and killing the biggest buck they can or killing as many deer as they possibly can.

[Lawdwaz]

http://www.inquisitr.com/1696496/monster-buck-worth-almost-20k-escapes-hunting-pen-teen-kills-it/

I thought I would post this and see what the forum thought of this story. Its a quick read.

My thoughts were mixed. The teen was aware of the deer escaping the preserve, so I thought it was premeditated and seemed wrong. However on the flip side I put myself in his shoes. You are 17, you see a monster that you are aware has escaped from a game preserve, what would you do?....

At this point it's all a moot point. The kid didn't do anything legally wrong and the business will (as long as he was smart enough) be paid for his loss via the insurance company.

The kid shot a hog and it is what it is now.......ethics be damned.

[Five Seasons]

Maybe this will be a lesson to the other deer not to escape during hunting season.

 

i'd take my chances outside a fence and being hunted than inside a fence and being hunted.

[Five Seasons]

We all know and can see where this world and even hunting itself is headed and like it or not high fence will be very much involved, I mean about every person on this site that has land farms for deer in one aspect or the other. 

It will only be a matter of time and you will see record books go by the wayside, I know many on here dont get theirs scored and recorded, i know 7 that i have over the years that would make the cut have not been. With age comes a different thought on hunting and we know us older hunters are on the way out of the sport and many of the few young hunters coming in will be in the mind set of either waiting for and killing the biggest buck they can or killing as many deer as they possibly can.

 

i'm not against what you do, but i respectfully disagree that is where hunting is headed. You will never see me pay for a fenced deer. I will pay though the teeth for gear and leases etc. but for me, giant racks are not why I hunt.

 

I surely do hunt for big bucks don't get me wrong, but sometimes I think we get so involved in our little circles and we start to believe everyone is just like us. When it comes to guns, when it comes to why we hunt etc. The recent thread on "why do you hunt" is a good example.

Edited December 23, 2014 by Belo

[Culvercreek hunt club]

i'd take my chances outside a fence and being hunted than inside a fence and being hunted.

Maybe it was just a breeding facility. Inside that fence doesn't sound like a bad deal to me...lol

[Four Season Whitetail's]

i'm not against what you do, but i respectfully disagree that is where hunting is headed. You will never see me pay for a fenced deer. I will pay though the teeth for gear and leases etc. but for me, giant racks are not why I hunt.

 

I surely do hunt for big bucks don't get me wrong, but sometimes I think we get so involved in our little circles and we start to believe everyone is just like us. When it comes to guns, when it comes to why we hunt etc. The recent thread on "why do you hunt" is a good example.

Well i do agree with ya that its not for everyone but i will tell ya its for alot... When you and many others say that they will spend all kinds of cash to buy gear and stuff just for a chance to maybe see a deer, let alone a good buck or even mature deer. You have just as many if not more that are saying..Ya know what, I have no land to hunt, I see no deer, i out up with a bunch of assclowns every time i go hunting, i dont have the time to go this year and im sick of spending the same money every year for nothing.....Boom! Another hunter going to a ranch, spends the same money, has a blast for a couple days, puts a great buck and in most places now a doe for him or a family member to harvest, in the freezer and back to his life he goes.

 

Just look at the trend with land getting ate up in development, deer herds across the country decimated by EHD and bad management and the list goes on. If this CWD crap ever does take hold and people get afraid to hunt wild deer and eat them they are headed to a nice high fence ranch and hunt deer that are tested and clean.

 

Remember, I dont do hunts here and i can only tell you what i see from my eyes and from inside the fence of this industry and i sure can tell you its not getting smaller every year.