Get your vaseline ready NY! Its here...

[Larry]

^{I would like to know where you get your info on cwd. When all studies from major collages and the CDC all say CWD is highly transmittable and fatal to deer and elk. I know you own a deer farm so I would think you would have an interest in cwd prevention and transmission.}

[WNYBuckHunter]

If you guys want to debate CWD, do it in its own thread please.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

If you guys want to debate CWD, do it in its own thread please.

Not going to happen...If he has not seen the big picture by now he never will.  Yes CWD dead deer are being found in every woodlot and street corner of every CWD positive state...Sheesh!  Just the fact that he does not understand the word..Possible.. and throwing up research from the year of 2000 shows he brings nothing to the table on the true facts of CWD!

 

Still pushing for that big 50 i guess!

[Five Seasons]

I don't think I've ever once commented on 4 seasons business. It's his business and not mine to worry about.

 

That said, it seams some of you just can't look past it. The guy is also a hunter, and if he's to be believed he hunts some hard access public land. Not every point he makes or every discussion needs to be turned into a debate regarding his business. If there's a specific topic or discussion regarding it then fine. But the rest of you need to leave it alone.

[Larry]

First I didn’t bring it up. A matter of fact I asked (axed) how CWD got on this thread. Second in this case it’s not me trying to get this thread to 50 pages.
Now for some facts, it is a proven fact that CWD is fatal to deer, elk and moose theirs no dispute on this. CWD is also similar to Mad Cow disease (bovine spongiform encephalopathy). The first known cases of CWD were discovered in an enclosed herd of captive mule deer in the late 1960s in research facilities in Colorado. In New York the only cases of CWD were found in and around a captive herd. The source may have been the connected taxidermy shop.
  CWD and Mad Cow are caused by a pathogenic effect on neurons of an abnormal isoform of a host-encoded glycoprotein, the prion protein.
When Mad Cow disease showed up in Britain they said it could not jump the species barrier well it did and is now linked to Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease in humans.
If CWD is ever found to be able to jump the species barrier it would end hunting as we know it in the US that’s my concern  

Edited September 8, 2015 by Larry

[Four Season Whitetail's]

First I didn’t bring it up. A matter of fact I asked (axed) how CWD got on this thread. Second in this case it’s not me trying to get this thread to 50 pages.

Now for some facts, it is a proven fact that CWD is fatal to deer, elk and moose theirs no dispute on this. CWD is also similar to Mad Cow disease (bovine spongiform encephalopathy). The first known cases of CWD were discovered in an enclosed herd of captive mule deer in the late 1960s in research facilities in Colorado. In New York the only cases of CWD were found in and around a captive herd. The source may have been the connected taxidermy shop.

  CWD and Mad Cow are caused by a pathogenic effect on neurons of an abnormal isoform of a host-encoded glycoprotein, the prion protein.

When Mad Cow disease showed up in Britain they said it could not jump the species barrier well it did and is now linked to Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease in humans.

If CWD is ever found to be able to jump the species barrier it would end hunting as we know it in the US that’s my concern  

Thats the point Larry, Read the words they print. Words like..Could,Can,Possible,Chance and so many more. Nothing proven..Scare tactics at its best. Why doe they say that it CAN or COULD be transmitted through Saliva when they do not find the prion?  Why do they say it COULD be spread in whitetail urine when in fact they have never found the prion in urine and that is even from 100% node and brain tested positive deer. Man infected the prion into urine in the lab, Stuck it into a rat and that rat became positive..Well thats all good and well but we sure are not running around injecting prions with needles into whitetails. 

 

You are also somewhat right on the Ny Cases. First the guy was a taxidermist accepting heads from out west and just throwing the material around. Second he was a wildlife rehaber with a permit by the state of Ny and givin fawns from the wild to rehab.for the state. They do not know if the cases came from the taxi work or the fawns brought in by the state but the fact is there were cases on both sides of the fence. The same state vet that tested those animals is also my state vet.

 

They say CWD will kill a deer when it gets CWD and that very well may be true but there has never been a proven case of a deer 100% killed by CWD and 99.9% of animals tested positive were healthy animals shot by humans or killed by their bumpers.

 

The Federal Govt has pulled all money for testing animals for CWD and left it to the states to do if they so wish. The states are not testing any number of animals to worry about this disease.as is proven by number like Michigan that tested like 43 whitetails out of the 10's of thousands killed in that state last year.

 

When farms in CWD positive states like say Wisconsin are selling corn all across the country that could be sitting on the shelves of your local Tractor Supply store in Ny state they know there is nothing they can do. They know its not killing deer.

 

I guess this gets us a page closer to the big 50 but as was asked...This is not the thread to have a CWD dispute.

[dbHunterNY]

Well Larry I'd make dang sure I had the doe tags available to those hunters in the time span I wanted to kill them in ..then I'd make sure to keep them in the woods by saying call in those doe and you can hunt buck the rest of that time period... But I would also do this at a time where I knew the weather would be cold enough to assure they would want to handle those deer..and or would have put into play easy ways for these hunters to get rid of the deer quickly and at no cost to them with in those units...whether it be donations for feeding families or even to feed animals...like any of the several zoos around NYS. Now I know about CWD...but I don't recall any dire things being said about wild deer in CWD areas having infected multitudes of wild animals that have eaten deer...or have I just missed that?

There is a long list of better solutions guys have offered than the cluster the DEC came up with.

 

 

(sp)

 

CWD as far as I know has no effect on predatory animals that would be fed the meat in a zoo.  it's limited to cervids and even then possibly not all of them.  that's why all kinds of species of wild animals aren't effected.  that's not even a remotely feasible or good idea to introduce disease into a deer herd in that context.

 

CWD has killed nothing anywhere...But to put point to your post..Our farm deer that get killed or culled go to the local zoo here and they are in need of higher numbers for the meat eaters!

 

CWD has killed nothing anywhere????  no.  I disagree.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

CWD as far as I know has no effect on predatory animals that would be fed the meat in a zoo.  it's limited to cervids and even then possibly not all of them.  that's why all kinds of species of wild animals aren't effected.  that's not even a remotely feasible or good idea to introduce disease into a deer herd in that context.

 

 

CWD has killed nothing anywhere????  no.  I disagree.

I'm sure you do...You want to throw some facts to back up your thoughts?   On another thread?

[Larry]

will start a new thread on CWD in the deer hunting forum

[WNYBuckHunter]

will start a new thread on CWD in the deer hunting forum

 

Thank you

[NYBuckHunter27]

I saw on the news last night that insurance companies have showed a decrease in deer vs. vehicle accidents this past year in WNY.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

I saw on the news last night that insurance companies have showed a decrease in deer vs. vehicle accidents this past year in WNY.

Impossible!!!!   They are as thick as fleas out here. Or they are just getting much better at crossing at the deer crossing signs...lol

[NYBuckHunter27]

Impossible!!!!   They are as thick as fleas out here. Or they are just getting much better at crossing at the deer crossing signs...lol

 

Apparently the DEC and insurance companies aren't on the same page lol, the best part was than they stated that even though the accidents have decreased, the cost to fix the damages has increased... 

[jjb4900]

I saw on the news last night that insurance companies have showed a decrease in deer vs. vehicle accidents this past year in WNY.

I heard that's due to the fact that drivers are know refusing to hit does.......apparently they're holding out for bucks, preferably 2.5 to 3 year olds.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

I heard that's due to the fact that drivers are know refusing to hit does.......apparently they're holding out for bucks, preferably 2.5 to 3 year olds.

Now that right there is funny

[greg54]

I saw on the news last night that insurance companies have showed a decrease in deer vs. vehicle accidents this past year in WNY.

I saw it also, they said New York State is ranked 28th in the nation when it comes to collisions with deer. I have to not believe those stats only cause I did 4500 in damage last year hitting one, and my sister and two friends also hit deer with their cars.

[phade]

I saw it also, they said New York State is ranked 28th in the nation when it comes to collisions with deer. I have to not believe those stats only cause I did 4500 in damage last year hitting one, and my sister and two friends also hit deer with their cars.

 

 

Deer-car collisions are a pretty stable trend to monitor population (not necessarily numbers but comparative trending). A lowered number indicates a reducing herd size, because most likely, the number of drivers, driver hours, etc. haven't gone down much (gas prices have been either steady or lowering).

 

This makes it even more important for the DEC to have a sound system, but its not being broadcast as part of their plans lately. No numbers in that sense.

[growalot]

 

CWD was brought up by growalot, when she was suggesting that the DEC could allow baiting in the high population areas.

 

Speaking of baiting...I never said that...I brought it up saying they should allow hunters in these areas to get rid of doe killed by offering them to NYS zoos...then said I had never heard of CWD killing off multitudes of animals that eat deer in CWD infected areas...THUS the zoo donations being a viable option...If guys that don't eat deer or can't use many deer had some place to donate other than over run butches...they may get more doe shot...

[Five Seasons]

I saw it also, they said New York State is ranked 28th in the nation when it comes to collisions with deer. I have to not believe those stats only cause I did 4500 in damage last year hitting one, and my sister and two friends also hit deer with their cars.

 

Classic NY hunter logic. Takes own personal experiences and decides on what's fact instead of actual statistical data.

 

Ranking 28th does not mean we don't still have a problem. It just means that more states have it worse, and less states have it better.

[HUNTINGS IN MY DNA]

What is everyone opinion on this I think it's ******** especially on long island they should open the season from sept 1 -jan31 not put restrictions on bucks because whoever is patterning a monster all summer long isn't going to get him early October in his feed patters!


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Edited September 15, 2015 by WNYBuckHunter
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[Five Seasons]

Just read my old man's outdoor news. A few quotes from this topic in their article. Pretty cool to see the author picked the ones against the plan. Glad that paper's taking the right side.

Edited November 20, 2015 by Belo

[phade]

Infiltrators! Lol.

[BizCT]

Just read my old man's outdoor news. A few quotes from this topic in their article. Pretty cool to see the author picked the ones against the plan. Glad that paper's taking the right side.

Who got quoted?

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[Bendog]

Not necessarily picking any side, but giving our readers a general idea of the sentiment on the issue.....

[Five Seasons]