True Hunters...

[quicktrigger25]

Hunters are not true hunters unless they track down that which they shot. Some seem to think that it should fall as soon as it is hit, and if it doesn't they missed. Shame really, some big bucks have never been recovered due to that mistake. I know at a ranch 20 mins down the road from me they will spend days tracking down a buck until it is found, nothing is left to assume it was a miss. Look at their pictures for proof, www.bestdeerhuntohio.com

[sampotter]

Hunters are not true hunters unless they track down that which they shot. Some seem to think that it should fall as soon as it is hit, and if it doesn't they missed. Shame really, some big bucks have never been recovered due to that mistake. I know at a ranch 20 mins down the road from me they will spend days tracking down a buck until it is found, nothing is left to assume it was a miss. Look at their pictures for proof, www.bestdeerhuntohio.com

This may be a post for a new topic.

Isn't that place a High-Fence operation? How hard is it to find a wounded deer inside a fence? There are only so many places to hide. After looking at the website I would wager they have a lot of deer they need to follow up on judging by the Yahoos this type of operation attracts. Yes hunters are not true hunters if they don't follow up on a shot, but hunters are also not true hunters if they shoot something inside a fence; they are just shooters, and if their aim is true or lucky it makes them killers, neither of which should be confused with hunters, most of which would appreciate not being associated with those that shoot at farm-raised animals. Gives us a bad name.

[WNYBuckHunter]

I split this out of the topic, because it has all the makings of a great thread on its own.  :

I guess to be a "True Hunter", you need to pay top dollar shoot deer on a preserve and then take days to track it down inside an enclosure after you shot it, huh?

[ny hunter]

I agree 1000percent that is BS not hunting and should be taken down.

[nyantler]

Some guys just do not understand that killing is not all that hunting is about.. at least for most of us.. if they banned weapons all together tomorrow I would still be out hunting and trying to capture a beautiful buck on camera... it is always about the excitement of the hunt for me, not the kill. The kill is just the bonus sometimes for all the time and hours put in.. but without a good hunt and a good story to go with it.. the kill would mean nothing to me.

A freind of mine and I were driving home from a weekend hunt in the Adirondacks, when we saw a huge probably 150 class buck run across the road chasing a doe. The buck stopped in a field on state land. We stopped and watched the buck for about 10 minutes just standing in the field 50 yards away... paying no attention to us. I had my gun in the car and a shell not far away.. my friend said I should get out and shoot the buck.. I told him no.. he asked "Are you serious? He'll make the book!" I said.. "Yeah, and what story would I tell when someone asked how I got him? Thats not hunting." He said, "you're right" we watched the buck lope off a few minutes later behind the doe. Athough it was a great experience it was not a hunting experience.

[ny hunter]

It is funny you spend days in the woods and see nothing.But always a real monster while driving home.Only antlers I saw all season was a nice 6pt on the road down the mountain.I swear he was laughing at me.......................

[nyantler]

I would feel better if another hunter hunted that buck and killed him another day. His story would definitely be better than mine..

[bubba]

A true hunter is just as happy hanging out with friends and talking hunting and planning and helping out others as they are taking a deer.  A true hunter does not need the newest gadgets gizmos and toys to hunt.  A true hunter puts in their time at the range to be sure they make the clean ethical one kill shot when the opportunity arises.  A true hunter respects the game he is after and the others who are after the same game. A true hunter shakes the hand of a fellow hunter or a rival hunter when they are successful.  A true hunter follows the rules and when he is fortunate to be successful at the very small part of hunting taking an animal, he uses it as it was intended and does not let it go to waste.  And last but not least a true hunter understands we did not inherit the lands from our forefathers, we are only holding onto it for our future generations, an dis willing to teach them how to use the them. 

[sampotter]

Tell you what- shooting some massive, gnarly, drop-tined, bleach-antlered, top-heavy, pedigree-bred, pellet-fed, artificially-inseminated,  ear-tagged, drug-doped, no-license-needed, trophy-fee, named and numbered, farm-raised, domesticated, medicated whitetail buck has the allure and mystique of snorkeling for cultured pearls.

[nyantler]

right Sam.. love to hear the hunting tale that would go with that one.

[ny hunter]

Very well said.Anyone get the feeling this is what this guy had in mind when he posted that web sight.He has all of us talking?

[Pygmy]

This guy most be trolling...He can't be serious... .....

[NYBowhunter]

Please guys enlighten me because I'm lost.....maybe some can explain to me why someone would hunt at a place like this?? I know this might ruffle someones feathers...but even if I could not see a fence for miles however I knew there were fences somewhere it would really bother me to walk in a ranch that was fenced let alone hunt it . What is the challenge if the deer are not free ranging? To each thier own and I guess bragging rights are thier main priority not hunting, but these people should not be classified as hunters. I guess these sorts of high fence operations with thousands of acres are an accepted practice in states like texas.....and the justification is that these ranches want to manage thier own deer herd. I just cant come to even remotely tolerate high fence operations irregardless of it size. Just look at those deer in these high fence operations....they look genetically minipulated..Yeah the racks are nice, but I couldnt hang something like that in my cabin knowing where it came from.

[nyantler]

I know lots of guys that would hunt there... I also know it is just about them getting to shoot their guns at something.. and why not a big buck? It is kinda sickening.. but more sickening that people raise htese whitetails for just such hunts... it brings in big $$ bucks$$ for the farm that offers the hunts. We have an elk farm here in central NY where guys pay thousands to kill monarch 7x7 elk. hate to say it , but most of the hunters come from NJ... not knocking NJ... it's just the truth. I will say.. it is neat to drive by the place and see huge elk by the dozens... just don't see the attraction to pay to kill them. Maybe if you're desperate to fill a space in your trophy room and just aren't good enough to kill one in the wild... I still would love to hear the stories they tell guys that ask them how they got 'em... bet that would be a hoot.

[Husker5]

Anyone who has the money to do so can take a trophy buck from that place, but could you really call yourself a hunter?

[First-light]

Some guys just do not understand that killing is not all that hunting is about.. at least for most of us.. if they banned weapons all together tomorrow I would still be out hunting and trying to capture a beautiful buck on camera... it is always about the excitement of the hunt for me, not the kill. The kill is just the bonus sometimes for all the time and hours put in.. but without a good hunt and a good story to go with it.. the kill would mean nothing to me.

A freind of mine and I were driving home from a weekend hunt in the Adirondacks, when we saw a huge probably 150 class buck run across the road chasing a doe. The buck stopped in a field on state land. We stopped and watched the buck for about 10 minutes just standing in the field 50 yards away... paying no attention to us. I had my gun in the car and a shell not far away.. my friend said I should get out and shoot the buck.. I told him no.. he asked "Are you serious? He'll make the book!" I said.. "Yeah, and what story would I tell when someone asked how I got him? Thats not hunting." He said, "you're right" we watched the buck lope off a few minutes later behind the doe. Athough it was a great experience it was not a hunting experience.

There was a thread a while back talking about road hunting and for the most part nobody really saw any problem shooting a deer that you spotted while driving. As long the law was followed. Joe I give you credit for not shooting, it must of been some sight!

My question to you guys is if you won a contest at one of our sportsman shows and the prize was a hunt at this place, no out-of-pocket expenses, would you go?

[erussell]

Anyone who has the money to do so can take a trophy buck from that place, but could you really call yourself a hunter?

No, not in a million yrs would I consider a behind the fencer a true hunter. Let me say this is IMO so not to offend some on this forum who think it is an sin to have an opinion.  :  I'm sure someone will put there 2 cents in here someplace saying there is no difference between fair chase and a behind the fencer. Which is IMO not fair chase and only has it not been outlawed because of the big money clientel that keep it open so they can rub themselves and call themselves hunters.  That aught to get them started 

[First-light]

A true hunter is just as happy hanging out with friends and talking hunting and planning and helping out others as they are taking a deer.  A true hunter does not need the newest gadgets gizmos and toys to hunt.  A true hunter puts in their time at the range to be sure they make the clean ethical one kill shot when the opportunity arises.  A true hunter respects the game he is after and the others who are after the same game. A true hunter shakes the hand of a fellow hunter or a rival hunter when they are successful.  A true hunter follows the rules and when he is fortunate to be successful at the very small part of hunting taking an animal, he uses it as it was intended and does not let it go to waste.  And last but not least a true hunter understands we did not inherit the lands from our forefathers, we are only holding onto it for our future generations, an dis willing to teach them how to use the them.

I like this Bubba, well put!

[WNYBuckHunter]

I dont think ranch or fenced hunts should be outlawed, I wouldnt participate in a preserve deer hunt or elk hunt, Id rather go after the wild versions. At the same time, Im not gonna call someone a scumbag for doing it, but Im not gonna say they hunted the deer they killed there.

Im pretty sure the original post was spam, but I thought you guys would have fun with it lol. 

[sampotter]

Glad to see nobody supporting hunting inside a fence, although it takes the fireworks out of the thread.

I swear I read somewhere about a guy that entered farmed-buck in a big buck contest, won, was exposed, then faced charges of fraud and violations of the Lacey Act, although I couldn't find it on the internet. Its one thing to shoot one behind a fence and acknowledge that is where you got it; but another to say you killed it fair chase.

[ny hunter]

How can you consider an animal that was farm raised a true trophy?That is not hunting,if that makes you feel like a hunter your missing out on the true meaning of hunting.I'm sure there are places you pay to hunt and still come home with an unfilled tag.But if the fence is there to keep your trophy there for you to shoot is that fair chase?

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Tell you what- shooting some massive, gnarly, drop-tined, bleach-antlered, top-heavy, pedigree-bred, pellet-fed, artificially-inseminated,  ear-tagged, drug-doped, no-license-needed, trophy-fee, named and numbered, farm-raised, domesticated, medicated whitetail buck has the allure and mystique of snorkeling for cultured pearls.

lefdt out one important part of that........IN A POOL!!

[sampotter]

Yes, sorry- a kiddie wading pool.

[landtracdeerhunter]

Why would anyone want to pay to hunt in a high fence.  I realize with hunting lands being tied up more and more, their is less places to hunt.  Paying big money to shoot a deer- not for me!  I love and respect the sport far to much to pay someone to shoot a farm raised deer.

[Geno C]

Why would anyone want to pay to hunt in a high fence.  I realize with hunting lands being tied up more and more, their is less places to hunt.  Paying big money to shoot a deer- not for me!  I love and respect the sport far to much to pay someone to shoot a farm raised deer.

theres alot of guys out there willing to throw their money at a hunt rather there own personal time and effort to "Hunt". i guess when the success rate is more on your side with a fenced in guided operation, it tends to attract a specific kind of person willing to partake and pay for it i guess...

from what i hear the market for it is doing pretty well however, it has its own breed of clientele.