OK guy's Call your lawmakers

[SteveB]

If the survey you have refered to is the DEC 2009 survey...let me recap

53% believe crossbows shoule be legalized

that includes 53% that identified them selves as bowhunters

and 54% of other hunters. there was only 32% of bowhunters that said it shouldn't be legalized

This held consistent for the specific question on wheter it should be included when any bow was a legal implement

53% legal for bowhunting

When questioned on use only 21% of bowhunters said they definitely would not use one. 43% were in some form of YES

Was this the survey you were refering to?

http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/wildlife_pdf/deersurvppt2010.pdf

That's going to leave a pretty serious mark! ;D

[WNYBuckHunter]

What are bowhunters sacrificing exactly? Sounds to me like there are more participants in archery season. Why is that a bad thing?

I am not interested in more "participants."  I am interested in more bowhunters.

Another non-answer. Again, what are bowhunters sacrificing?

[shu9265]

I wonder how many people if allowed to try crossbow would eventually want to try bow?

It hasn't happened to any significant level in Ohio.....growth in crossbows extends over vertical bows each year.

Where did you get this information ? 

I hunt Ohio yearly, and have not been asked what type of equipment I would be using.  I go in and I buy my license(s) and my Urban tags(anterless), and no one ever asks what I am hunting with.

[WNYBuckHunter]

If you are refering to the survey again...I can't tell....ALL in not a truthful statement

The survey was sent out to ALL license holders, not just bowhunters.

Pure fabrication. Pure lie.

[arrowflinger]

If you are refering to the survey again...I can't tell....ALL in not a truthful statement

The survey was sent out to ALL license holders, not just bowhunters.

Pure fabrication. Pure lie.

Do some research.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

If you are refering to the survey again...I can't tell....ALL in not a truthful statement

The survey was sent out to ALL license holders, not just bowhunters.

Pure fabrication. Pure lie.

Do some research.

I have....me....I never got one and I don't know anyone that has? did they pass them out at a NYB meeting?

[SteveB]

If you are refering to the survey again...I can't tell....ALL in not a truthful statement

The survey was sent out to ALL license holders, not just bowhunters.

Pure fabrication. Pure lie.

Do some research.

I have....me....I never got one and I don't know anyone that has? did they pass them out at a NYB meeting?

Other then a short one at the yearly dinner, there are no meetings.

At least none the general membership can attend.

[arrowflinger]

If you are refering to the survey again...I can't tell....ALL in not a truthful statement

The survey was sent out to ALL license holders, not just bowhunters.

Pure fabrication. Pure lie.

Ahhhh .... I see the problem.

I should have said a SAMPLING of all deer hunters, not every single deer hunter.

My bad.  The point is, they sampled across all facets of deer hunters and not just bowhunters.

[WNYBuckHunter]

If you are refering to the survey again...I can't tell....ALL in not a truthful statement

The survey was sent out to ALL license holders, not just bowhunters.

Pure fabrication. Pure lie.

Do some research.

I dont need to. You are saying that they asked all lisence holders. Since I have been a lisence holder for 20 years and have never gotten a survey, then you are wrong. Im not the only one that didnt get the survey, culver said he didnt either. You are the one making the claims, maybe you should do your research before you spout off.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

If the survey you have refered to is the DEC 2009 survey...let me recap

53% believe crossbows shoule be legalized

that includes 53% that identified them selves as bowhunters

and 54% of other hunters. there was only 32% of bowhunters that said it shouldn't be legalized

This held consistent for the specific question on wheter it should be included when any bow was a legal implement

53% legal for bowhunting

When questioned on use only 21% of bowhunters said they definitely would not use one. 43% were in some form of YES

Was this the survey you were refering to?

http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/wildlife_pdf/deersurvppt2010.pdf

Arrow,

I wanted to make sure you didn't miss this post since you didn't comment on it. Was this the survey you were refering to?

[bpb]

If the survey you have refered to is the DEC 2009 survey...let me recap

53% believe crossbows shoule be legalized

that includes 53% that identified them selves as bowhunters

and 54% of other hunters. there was only 32% of bowhunters that said it shouldn't be legalized

This held consistent for the specific question on wheter it should be included when any bow was a legal implement

53% legal for bowhunting

When questioned on use only 21% of bowhunters said they definitely would not use one. 43% were in some form of YES

Was this the survey you were refering to?

http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/wildlife_pdf/deersurvppt2010.pdf

Arrow,

I wanted to make sure you didn't miss this post since you didn't comment on it. Was this the survey you were refering to?

Which is why I say, we need to hold the DEC to the fire. They waste money doing survey's and then do not follow there own science.

[arrowflinger]

Arrow,

I wanted to make sure you didn't miss this post since you didn't comment on it. Was this the survey you were refering to?

No - I have never seen that one before.  It is not in final report format, but I have no reason not to believe it.

That would be the first bit of data I have seen that suggests a majority of NY sportsmen would allow crossbows....that certainly tempers my message a bit.

I remain convinced that crossbows do not belong...but will not force my views over the will of the NY sportsmen.

We'll have to watch for a follow up report.  They often break down the responses in more detail....for example they obviously asked these questions one at a time (because each one totals to 100%).

If they ask it all at once, the answer may be different.

[WNYBuckHunter]

Hey look, something even I can agree with you on. Ive been saying for a long time that there should be a real survey on certain topics every year that you have to fill out when you get your tags. That would be pretty simple and the only way to see how the whole ny hunting community feels on the issues.

[G-Man]

Well that would make to much sence to ask what everybody wants... of course the old addages will still take place : The squeaky wheel Gets the grease. And 10% of the hunters take 90% of the game....

[nyantler]

Hey look, something even I can agree with you on. Ive been saying for a long time that there should be a real survey on certain topics every year that you have to fill out when you get your tags. That would be pretty simple and the only way to see how the whole ny hunting community feels on the issues.

How is it that something so reasonable as that.. has yet to be done by the DEC? I don't get it... instead they survey 2500 hunters and I'm never one of them

[wztirem]

Hey look, something even I can agree with you on. Ive been saying for a long time that there should be a real survey on certain topics every year that you have to fill out when you get your tags. That would be pretty simple and the only way to see how the whole ny hunting community feels on the issues.

How is it that something so reasonable as that.. has yet to be done by the DEC? I don't get it... instead they survey 2500 hunters and I'm never one of them

They are on a budget!

[WNYBuckHunter]

With the computerized system, it wouldnt be hard at all. It doesnt need to be a long survey, just 5 or 10 questions, multiple choice.

[nyantler]

just make it a standing question when you get your license where you can phone in your response along with your tag #

[G-Man]

Good idea guy but if the state operate like my company....to steal i line... all we are is dust in the wind.....

[nyantler]

Wow Culver seemed to quiet Arrowflinger down after proving him wrong about hunter crossbow sentiment....hmmm.. anyone else hear the crickets??

[SteveB]

Facts will do that - especially when you don't have any of your own ;D

[nyantler]

He could have at least came back to shout.. Irrelevant!!

[growalot]

Actually HE came back with a lot of CLASS  and simply stated that the report tempered his posts position...lets see....

That would be the first bit of data I have seen that suggests a majority  of NY sportsmen would allow crossbows....that certainly tempers my  message a bit

Yep no class lost there...good for him

[nyantler]

Yeah well his lack of class before that was the issue... the backpeddling when you are proven wrong is just a defense mechanism... and if you read further in the post ... he still states that we must wait to see the follow up report.. still questioning the result

[growalot]

So what?...really are we back in high school here?!

The man has an opinion ...you don't like it ...Too bad...simply state yours and be done with it...My opinion...this piddly crap is getting old...