diplomat019 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 "Fair warning: This is science, not opinion." http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/the-conservationist/research-shows-climate-change-is-already-affecting-gamefish?dom=fas&loc=contentwell&lnk=research-shows-climate-change-is-already-affecting-gamefish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATbuckhunter Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 For majority of the population that believes in the science, this should come at no surprise. Just as an FYI his thread may turn into a sh*t show with some of the people here who are not in agreement with the science behind climate change. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virgil Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 AT, you're right, I'm sure. But, the problem is the fact that some don't recognize the difference between science and opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptown Redneck Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Quoting from the article, "In the election season ahead don’t vote for deniers", in other words "DON'T VOTE FOR REPUBLICANS" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasteddie Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Quoting from the article, "In the election season ahead don’t vote for deniers", in other words "DON'T VOTE FOR REPUBLICANS" Rather ridiculous statement . Not all Republicans are deniers and many Democrats are deniers . It has nothing to do with the party that one supports . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philoshop Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 (edited) The climate on planet Earth has always been changing and affecting the flora and fauna, and will continue to do so. Blaming it on, and attempting to punish modern human technology is asinine. Edited July 20, 2016 by philoshop 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptown Redneck Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 The climate on planet Earth has always been changing and affecting the flora and fauna, and will continue to do so. Blaming it on, and attempting to punish modern human technology is asinine. Jist as being ignorant of the scientific facts is also asinine, but ignorance and asinine thoughts are the tell tale signs of a devout republican Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattler Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 (edited) The climate is changing. It has always been changing. The "science" has yet to prove it's man made. But, just to go a step further, let's say it did prove it was man made. One political party claims the solution is higher taxes and more regulations on America and it's citizens, knowing full well the rest of the world will do nothing about it. Does that sound like it will have any type of a positive impact on climate change? Does it sound like it will have a very negative impact on America and it's economy? That's why people think it's all a conspiracy designed to take America down to the level of 3rd world countries by re-distributing America's wealth. Perhaps if the Left were to take the political agenda out of the "science", more people would be open to the possibility that climate change is man made. I don't think that will ever happen though, because the Left would scorch the earth before it would ever stop pushing it's political agenda. Edited July 21, 2016 by Rattler 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 (edited) China has been a major culprit in pollution but they are trying to change that. Over the last few years they have been the leading spender in renewable energy. So much so that they have consistently spent twice as the second leading spender each year. Considering that countries like Japan and UK spend close to the USA even though USA's GDP and population far exceeds those countries proves that USA isn't "footing the bill" on climate change. At least not by themselves. http://www.ecowatch.com/2015-was-record-breaking-year-for-investment-in-renewable-energy-1882182685.html Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited July 21, 2016 by Elmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diplomat019 Posted July 21, 2016 Author Share Posted July 21, 2016 One political party claims the solution is higher taxes and more regulations on America and it's citizens, knowing full well the rest of the world will do nothing about it. Can you cite where the rest of the world is doing nothing? I would love to see where you read that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattler Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Show me where any other country in the world is taxing anyone's "carbon footprint". I'd love to see that. Show me where they are regulating any of their businesses out of business. Show me where they are putting anyone out of work like we've done to coal miners. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Show me where any other country in the world is taxing anyone's "carbon footprint". I'd love to see that. Show me where they are regulating any of their businesses out of business. Show me where they are putting anyone out of work like we've done to coal miners. Again...China. See "Three Gorge Dam". But then again, that's most countries, no? Where does any country's coffers come from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pt0217 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 The climate change debate is a farce. The left needs it to be man made so they can further their agenda. It's the simple minded liberal followers that give credence to the lie. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diplomat019 Posted July 21, 2016 Author Share Posted July 21, 2016 (edited) The climate change debate is a farce. The left needs it to be man made so they can further their agenda. It's the simple minded liberal followers that give credence to the lie. So is the article From field and stream a lie? Edited July 21, 2016 by diplomat019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pt0217 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 I'm not saying that at all. I believe the science that says the climate is changing. I am not buying the progressive theory that it's caused by man. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Field_Ager Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Empirical Evidence: Climate Change Driven By Non-CO2 Factors, Experts Find Chinese researchers determined that non-CO2 forcings are the principal causes of majors swings in a climate's temperature, be it cooling and warming. They also determined that the modern 20th century warming, which doomsday alarmists attribute solely to the trace gas CO2, is well below the confirmed warming that took place in earlier, pre-industrial periods. Their research is based on the empirical evidence of a reconstructed temperature dataset using tree rings from China's northwestern Sichuan Plateau. This new dataset confirms what the multitude of previous studies have determined - significant climate changes are absolutely natural. This study's conclusions: "Seven major cold periods and three major warm periods were identified from this reconstruction, which might be linked with volcanic and solar activities. The Little Ice Age (LIA) climate can also be well represented and clearly end with climatic amelioration at the end of the 19th century. The 18th and 20th centuries were warm with less extreme cold years, while the 17th and 19th century were cold with more extreme cold years. Moreover, the 20th century rapid warming was not obvious in our RLST reconstruction, which implies that mean maximum temperature, as a unique temperature indicator, might play an important and different role in global change. Overall, the RLST variability in the NWSP might be associated with global land–sea atmospheric circulation (e.g., ENSO, PDO, or AMO) as well as solar and volcanic forcing" http://www.c3headlines.com/2016/07/empirical-evidence-climate-change-driven-by-non-co2-factors-experts-find.html 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattler Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 The only other debate I can use as an analogy to the "man made" climate change debate is the "Is there a God?" debate. There isn't scientific evidence available to prove either one. Unfortunately believers in God are far less fanatical about forcing their belief on others. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Field_Ager Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 The only other debate I can use as an analogy to the "man made" climate change debate is the "Is there a God?" debate. There isn't scientific evidence available to prove either one. Thomas Aquinas and Dr Walter L. Bradley (to name but 2) would disagree, but I get your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptown Redneck Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 The arguments put forth by the deniers just further makes my point about the asinine and ignorant thought process of Republicans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattler Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 The arguments put forth by the deniers just further makes my point about the asinine and ignorant thought process of Republicans Your point is invalid. Compared to Democrat thought processes, Republicans are Albert Einstein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg54 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 The arguments put forth by the deniers just further makes my point about the asinine and ignorant thought process of Republicans only in Redneckville Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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