2 Women Attacked By Coyote(s) in Wayne County

[turkeyfeathers]

8 minutes ago, Bowguy 1 said:

Not sure what you mean? If you're getting attacked what else can you do but fight? Ever see their jaws when the head is skinned out? Very frailish. Can't bite that hard, they're only dogs

I'll pass on the choke hold and go for the Jimmy Super Fly Snooka on em 

[Core]

1 hour ago, NilsFrost said:

This is timely for me becasue last week I walked into my deer stand as I usually do - alone at 6:00 am. 

I heard a yote yelp from the direction of my car which was anout 300 yards away now and I had about another 150 yards to walk thru head-tall grass to my stand. 

Suddenly a yote responded from less than a hundred yards to my right and then a whole pack started howling then yelping in a very excitied franetic tone from the same spot. 

They were definitely on to me and, I think, trying to decide whether or not to treat like a predater or breakfast. 

I quickly caulked the bow and loaded a bolt, I had left my decent buck knife in the car. I put on my head lamp and turned it on. They started runnign to parallel my track. I knew their track took them up to the ridge where my stand was. They would either turn right and leave or turn left and create the perfect ambush from high ground in tall grass. 

I moved forward figuring my light would give them away and they would not paricularly like the light. 

I got to my stand without further incident. Just as I reached it the century Yote that was at my car gave another yelp from the exact spot that I was standing when i first heard him. 

I told my buddy the story and to be a little more cautious and prepared when either of us walks in, then this happens...lesson learned.  

Given that experience if I hunted that spot again I would bring a shotgun. Coyotes rarely attack people (lol I say that in a  thread about them doing it, but anyway...) but if they can't see what you are maybe they don't know and would be more inclined to.

[Bowguy 1]

13 minutes ago, turkeyfeathers said:

I'll pass on the choke hold and go for the Jimmy Super Fly Snooka on em 

Not saying to try n fight one but w zero options what else can you do besides bleed. Maybe climb a tree if that's an option

[ApexerER]

I will say this knowing that I probably have a better chance of getting struck by lighting on the way to my stand in the morning than I do getting attacked by a coyote. But to me it is stupid that I carry a side arm everyday but I can't when I go hunting????? Stupid rule....

[The_Real_TCIII]

I had one come flying out into a field barking his head off at me, it stopped at about 20 yards and walked parallel to me all the way across, barking the whole time and then it went back in the woods. Just like walking across someone's yard and their dog "escorts" you across. I won't say it didn't scare the crap out of me lol. I was thinking maybe it had pups in those woods


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[Bowguy 1]

Ain't you guys married? My ex was way nastier, always showing her fangs. Like Apexer said the chances are so small that you prob will get killed driving to your spot first. Lots of guys are nervous about the unknown. Don't let it get to you w all these stories. Some may be misinterpretations even. Some Im sure are fact. One guy at a bear camp years ago was so nerved up by "stories" that he taped a mag  light to his rifle n said going in he saw the flying monkeys from wizard of oz in his mind's eye. Enjoy the woods. It's much safer than where most live, work or travel to

[chrisw]

I've always thought we should be able to carry a sidearm while bow hunting. Certain restrictions obviously, barrel 3" or less or something. 380ACP or less? I agree with fight with what you got but I'm not sure throwing one into a rear necked choke would be as effective as you might think...the dark woods can be unnerving but there's nothing there at night that isn't there during the day...

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[Core]

What law specifically says a pistol permit holder cannot carry a pistol while hunting during bow season?

[Steve D]

Page 18, center column, under "Manner of Taking" in the2016-2017 Hunting Guide regulations you should have got when you bought your license. If you didn't get one you can always pick one up because they are free. They can also be read on-line at http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/8305.html

[Fletch]

I have seen many coyotes in the woods both walking and sitting on watch and never saw one that was not afraid of me. I have run into them in the dark as well and while on blood trails....again they bug out quick. Coyotes rarely run in large groups and the groups you do see is usually a parent and young offspring. Otherwise they are usually in singles or pairs.I have a female out back with some young ones still together. I heard them yesterday while in stand. The fire whistle went off and they all started yippin then i heard another out a ways, propably a lone male. Any attack would have to be from a sick(rabid) or injured animal otherwise they avoid you. And if one does attack me well he ain't winning that battle!

Edited October 6, 2016 by Fletch

[chas0218]

2 hours ago, Bowguy 1 said:

Not sure what you mean? If you're getting attacked what else can you do but fight? Ever see their jaws when the head is skinned out? Very frailish. Can't bite that hard, they're only dogs. Think I figured it out, you're saying they'd shred us? Yes possibly but if he's already biting he's gonna shred you anyway. Grab a hold, take some bites n end it. The option is to continue to get bitten. Or run n theyll chase.  Coyotes can be nasty, ever snare one n it's alive when you get there some can be cranky. They've got no choice but imo they're Not good fighters one shot n they quit. Yea yea I know no gun here that's why you have two choices fight or flight n you're getting bit either way so pay it back for the discomfort. Last year at a archery range by the house a rabid coyote attacked a guy. He was retrieving arrows so "unarmed". He pinned it down than stuck n arrow he had retrieved through it. Coulda just choked it out though. That coyote bit a kid on a bicycle just earlier but the kid rode like hell n got away or the coyote just quit chase. Either way the coyotes dead now n the archer killed him before the cops who were called by the bike kids parents got on scene.

I have had a dog lock onto my arm using one of those biting guards like the cops use for training and I'll tell you what that thing is about 3x someones are and they can put plenty of pressure on it. the jaw may look frail but the way it is "designed" it is plenty strong enough to tear human flesh from bone. Personally I would rather the dog bite into my leg and allow me to still use both hands but if it came down to it the dog would tear any human to pieces quickly and god forbid there were 2. There would be no fighting back maybe protecting your face and neck because that will be the next place they go for. 

I get you would fight back but they are a lot stronger than you would think. All dogs can pull twice their body weight so that 40# dog can pull 80# (most people can't lift 2/3 their body weight) and with the will to survive the dog is going to fight to its last breath.

[chas0218]

58 minutes ago, Core said:

What law specifically says a pistol permit holder cannot carry a pistol while hunting during bow season?

Manner of Taking

It is unlawful to:

• Take big game while the deer or bear is in water.
• Possess a firearm of any description when bowhunting or when accompanying a person bowhunting during special archery seasons.
• Make, set or use a salt lick on land inhabited by deer or bear.

[Bowguy 1]

18 minutes ago, chas0218 said:

I have had a dog lock onto my arm using one of those biting guards like the cops use for training and I'll tell you what that thing is about 3x someones are and they can put plenty of pressure on it. the jaw may look frail but the way it is "designed" it is plenty strong enough to tear human flesh from bone. Personally I would rather the dog bite into my leg and allow me to still use both hands but if it came down to it the dog would tear any human to pieces quickly and god forbid there were 2. There would be no fighting back maybe protecting your face and neck because that will be the next place they go for. 

I get you would fight back but they are a lot stronger than you would think. All dogs can pull twice their body weight so that 40# dog can pull 80# (most people can't lift 2/3 their body weight) and with the will to survive the dog is going to fight to its last breath.

My buddy has pits n Donavan Pinschers which look like pits but are man biting dogs. Them you'd be in trouble but still no choice but fight. Coyotes aren't bred for bite strength n not imo near the grit of man biting dog. Dif animals. Bear in mind a dog or any animal seldom fights to its last breath. The flight reflex must be bred out as in fighting pit bulls. It's selective breeding n stacking "game" genes. Get a book or research breeding n you'll understsand. Stacking genes in any direction can do wonders. Coyotes aren't selective bred. They're bred to survive. Sick dogs behave dif but still have only what they were born w strength wise. 

Edited October 6, 2016 by Bowguy 1

[Core]

1 hour ago, chas0218 said:

Manner of Taking

It is unlawful to:

• Take big game while the deer or bear is in water.
• Possess a firearm of any description when bowhunting or when accompanying a person bowhunting during special archery seasons.
• Make, set or use a salt lick on land inhabited by deer or bear.

I even scanned through that page before posting!

So the guy I met last year during bow season carrying a 22 for squirrel was breaking the law.

That law seems stupid. The one about having a gun with a slug during bow season without a license I can see it makes some sense, but this one doesn't. If I go hunting with my bow I can't have a gun. But if I bring the bow back to the car I can then pick up an rifle and go back into the very same woods legally.

Actually on second thought I wonder if it is because some people "bowhunting" and "carrying a rifle for protection" have had in the past a suspicious tendency to use that gun on a bear that was "attacking".

Edited October 6, 2016 by Core

[chas0218]

15 minutes ago, Core said:

I even scanned through that page before posting!

So the guy I met last year during bow season carrying a 22 for squirrel was breaking the law.

That law seems stupid. The one about having a gun with a slug during bow season without a license I can see it makes some sense, but this one doesn't. If I go hunting with my bow I can't have a gun. But if I bring the bow back to the car I can then pick up an rifle and go back into the very same woods legally.

Actually on second thought I wonder if it is because some people "bowhunting" and "carrying a rifle for protection" have had in the past a suspicious tendency to use that gun on a bear that was "attacking".

Yeah technically he was, I'm with you but I think they are just trying to use it as leverage against poachers. If someone is in the field with a rifle or pistol while "bow hunting" could they be poaching deer? I see why they have that rule, mostly to be able to distinguish between potential poachers and people actually bowhunting. If it wasn't illegal I would carry my pistol in the field just for instances like some have mentioned possibly even a bear or the mountain lions/cougars that aren't in N.Y.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

3 hours ago, ApexerER said:

I will say this knowing that I probably have a better chance of getting struck by lighting on the way to my stand in the morning than I do getting attacked by a coyote. But to me it is stupid that I carry a side arm everyday but I can't when I go hunting????? Stupid rule....

One of those rules that are made to be broken.  Seems Ny has many for some reason!

[ApexerER]

33 minutes ago, Four Season Whitetails said:

One of those rules that are made to be broken.  Seems Ny has many for some reason!

Trust me, I have thought about it numerous times but I haven't done it.................yet

The day I have coyote yipping at me like some have posted 10 yds away will be the last time I adhere to that law...

 

[Fletch]

2 hours ago, ApexerER said:

Trust me, I have thought about it numerous times but I haven't done it.................yet

The day I have coyote yipping at me like some have posted 10 yds away will be the last time I adhere to that law...

 

It definetly is one of those that I think if any substantial effort to challenge it was undertaken it would be changed. If you are permitted to carry as protection I don't see where it would legally hold up where the DEC can take that right away from you. I mean they are pretty much wide open for a lawsuit if a hunter say gets attacked and gets hurt that has a CCP and is not carrying that otherwise would be.

 

It should just be if a CCP holder is carrying that weapon can not in any way be used for hunting, only protection.....

 

But then again when did a mojority of NY law make sense!! They tend to apply laws to make good citizens unlawful and fail to uphold the law on criminals with any backbone.

[Doc]

19 hours ago, Bowguy 1 said:

Ain't you guys married? My ex was way nastier, always showing her fangs. Like Apexer said the chances are so small that you prob will get killed driving to your spot first. Lots of guys are nervous about the unknown. Don't let it get to you w all these stories. Some may be misinterpretations even. Some Im sure are fact. One guy at a bear camp years ago was so nerved up by "stories" that he taped a mag  light to his rifle n said going in he saw the flying monkeys from wizard of oz in his mind's eye. Enjoy the woods. It's much safer than where most live, work or travel to

Logic and reason and fact have little to do with the kind of imaginations a person can get spooked by when they are in total darkness in the middle of the woods with a weapon that even in the best of conditions are not great for emergency self-defense ...... lol.

[growalot]

I'm sitting here reading some absolutely stupid clueless posts...I have been to the hospital 3 times With dog bites. Had part of my finger bitten off so fast I didn't realize it was even gone. Had a dog smaller than a yote attach it's self to my arm and the only thing that saved me from permanent nerve damage was I had presence of mind to...1 not pull back and 2 keep it from shaking. Not built to fight? Ha ! you you know that even a parrot..Yes a 2 # bird, has enough psi in it's bite to sever a child's hand off at the wrist? Fact, they aren't built to fight either. clueless people...

[chas0218]

Then again I don't want someone taking pop shots in the dark because they get spooked from a squirrel or coon. I could definitely see someone getting a little overly paranoid. Although if I heard something large around me I would start talking to it to make sure it wasn't another person, but what happens if the person is deaf. Had an amish guy wandering the woods one year as I was in my tree stand I started yelling at him and he just kept walking around. Finally he saw me and started talking he was obviously deaf not only for the way he was talking but he used his binos to read my lips.

[ApexerER]

8 minutes ago, chas0218 said:

Then again I don't want someone taking pop shots in the dark because they get spooked from a squirrel or coon. I could definitely see someone getting a little overly paranoid. Although if I heard something large around me I would start talking to it to make sure it wasn't another person, but what happens if the person is deaf. Had an amish guy wandering the woods one year as I was in my tree stand I started yelling at him and he just kept walking around. Finally he saw me and started talking he was obviously deaf not only for the way he was talking but he used his binos to read my lips.

I would like to think that anyone with a CCP permit that is an avid hunter (I would like to think but I am sure it isn't true, unfortunately) wouldn't go taking pop shots in the dark period. I certainly wouldn't...Not only would that be extremely stupid but it would ruin my morning hunt....Even if I had Coyote yipping at me 10 yds away in the dark and I was carrying, you bet that pistol would be in my hand but I wouldn't be taking pop shots into bushes. If it became more than that...I would think a shot fired into the ground or air, whatever you felt was safest would move those dogs out very quickly. I don't see why I can't carry my 380 Body Guard. I am sure that I would be much less effective with that weapon against a deer than I would be with my bow. Or even my .22 pistol. Stupid people making stupid laws....... 

[chas0218]

21 minutes ago, ApexerER said:

I would like to think that anyone with a CCP permit that is an avid hunter (I would like to think but I am sure it isn't true, unfortunately) wouldn't go taking pop shots in the dark period. I certainly wouldn't...Not only would that be extremely stupid but it would ruin my morning hunt....Even if I had Coyote yipping at me 10 yds away in the dark and I was carrying, you bet that pistol would be in my hand but I wouldn't be taking pop shots into bushes. If it became more than that...I would think a shot fired into the ground or air, whatever you felt was safest would move those dogs out very quickly. I don't see why I can't carry my 380 Body Guard. I am sure that I would be much less effective with that weapon against a deer than I would be with my bow. Or even my .22 pistol. Stupid people making stupid laws....... 

Yeah I would like to think people wouldn't do that but how many times have you been in the stand and hear a gun shot when it is still dark during gun season especially opening morning? All to many times for me.

[growalot]

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Logic and reason and fact have little to do with the kind of imaginations a person can get spooked by when they are in total darkness in the middle of the woods with a weapon that even in the best of conditions are not great for emergency self-defense ...... lol.

Joking aside Doc your right, that's when putting ones imagination and just a tad of knowledge to work is important..like actually reading up on some of the animals one encounters in the woods and how they react in battle with other predators...what are their vulnerabilities, when never to run and when to stand and fight or run like hell...how will an attack present, know body language ie...legs,upper body, lunge to throat.....hell even with a skunk, imperative to protect your eyes..they can literally blind you...Just go learn something and use your brains.

Bears...media has time and again shown in a grizzly attack you have few options..way bigger,way faster and even a gun shot can take to long..so play dead...once they see no movement,they save kill for later..some have survived doing this...but that's not a blk. bear like we have...you don't fight...they don't save their kill for later...you'll be eaten period. So use that imagination on what you can do if you haven't a gun...bows are inadequate...but you carry a knife and wear gripping gloves...and bow or not you have very sharp broad heads made for puncturing hide ..all animals have eyes and throats and soft underbellies...know that in an initial attack you won't even feel the pain and adrenaline makes you by far stronger than you may think...know these things ahead of time, so you can think in real time.

Edited October 7, 2016 by growalot

[ApexerER]

22 minutes ago, chas0218 said:

Yeah I would like to think people wouldn't do that but how many times have you been in the stand and hear a gun shot when it is still dark during gun season especially opening morning? All to many times for me.

I agree with you, but there are laws against that as well and it doesn't stop people. Laws only affect the people that are willing to abide by them.....Problem is those law abiding citizens, are not the reason you need the law in the first place...That's one of the (MANY) problems with our politicians. Especially the Dems....They make a law that looks great on paper and then sit back and smile...look at me, I did something about such and such. Not every realizing or even considering that the people that will abide by that law were not the problem in the first place. And now the responsible citizens are once again hampered by law such and such and the ones that won't follow it aren't....I think somehow I took us way off topic on this thread.....Sorry