17 killed in shooting at high school in Parkland, Florida, authorities say

[greg54]

4 minutes ago, fasteddie said:

Another thing .... Don't make it common knowledge as to what teacher might be armed . Better that the students don't know . Any armed teacher should be very knowledgeable in gun safety and be able to shoot a perpetrator if necessary . Don't use concealed carry if you aren't able to shoot when it's needed . 

Exactly. How many teachers have been labeled "heroes" after these mass shootings by shielding their students from the gunmen but end up dead in doing so? If they had access to a sidearm, they might be alive and the shooter dead or at least injured. And more lives might be saved.

[fasteddie]

17 minutes ago, Doc said:

Just like the air martials, you never know which passenger it is.

Not true Doc ..... It's Liam Neeson ! 

[Culvercreek hunt club]

4 minutes ago, fasteddie said:

Not true Doc ..... It's Liam Neeson ! 

5 minutes into the first plane scene I told my wife who did it. 

[Five Seasons]

16 hours ago, Wilderness said:

You call me a "loser"?  How sad. Next time take time to completely read the post.

If you did you would have read the "If" in the statement "If a teacher is armed they must be trained, capable of knowing enough hand to hand combat to repel some violent student from taking their weapon from them, AND most importantly they must be able to aim at and kill an armed assailant without hesitation. "

Your's and your friends juvenile remarks are so sad.  You and your friends should try contributing something intelligent to the conversation.

where did i call you a loser? 

and if reading comprehension is your thing, did you read the part where a trained police officer didn't take action? 

[Five Seasons]

4 hours ago, chas0218 said:

Don't just assume because of what you hear there aren't people that would be capable of being an armed teacher in a school. I know many would not want that responsibility but would be more than capable. It all depends on the district, we are a split rural/city district and about 1/3 of the teaching population is conservative and hunt or own firearms. So you can't paint every district with a broad brush heck my wife's district is all rural about 1/4 are liberal teachers and most still own firearms and/or hunt. I would be willing to bet there are more than you think.

lol bro. my mom taught at north rose and williamson. don't talk to me about rural. 

I'm curious where you got your facts that 1/3 of a population is conservative and hunt and own firearms. 

[Five Seasons]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

I have not heard anyone advocating that teachers should be mandated to be armed. In fact they would be much more effective if the shooter didn't know which one was armed. I guess if that cowardly cop taught us anything, it would be that it's not wise to put all your eggs in one basket.

Having said all that, in addition to having anonymous armed teachers, janitors, and such sprinkled throughout the internal adult population, I am still in favor of having at least one armed cop at a single check point entrance with metal detector devices.

iirc you don't have kids in school. But to be clear, you'd be ok with armed janitors? 

[chas0218]

7 minutes ago, Belo said:

lol bro. my mom taught at north rose and williamson. don't talk to me about rural. 

I'm curious where you got your facts that 1/3 of a population is conservative and hunt and own firearms. 

Yes at the district I teach at I would say about 1/3 are conservative that hunt and fish. And I grew up in Newark, compared to schools up that way down here on the southern tier they don't hold a candle to rural. I know your area Red Creek, Sodus, Williamson, Marion. I grew up around those towns they aren't rural in comparison to what is down here.

[Five Seasons]

5 minutes ago, chas0218 said:

Yes at the district I teach at I would say about 1/3 are conservative that hunt and fish. And I grew up in Newark, compared to schools up that way down here on the southern tier they don't hold a candle to rural. I know your area Red Creek, Sodus, Williamson, Marion. I grew up around those towns they aren't rural in comparison to what is down here.

so you would say... but have no data to support this? 

I played all those schools in football growing up. To say Newark is any more rural than williamson or north rose is silly and you know it. Hell my mom had to learn spanish to teach the migrant kids.

[chas0218]

12 minutes ago, Belo said:

so you would say... but have no data to support this? 

I played all those schools in football growing up. To say Newark is any more rural than williamson or north rose is silly and you know it. Hell my mom had to learn spanish to teach the migrant kids.

I don't teach in Newark, I teach in a school on the southern tier and I would not say 1/3 of the teachers I had at Newark were conservative but where I teach on the southern tier they are definitely more conservative. The schools on the southern tier are far more rural than up there. Between Sodus and North Rose I'm not surprised, big apple country and potato country up there. Not a whole lot of colored folks down here other than Elmira and Binghamton.

Edited February 27, 2018 by chas0218

[Culvercreek hunt club]

28 minutes ago, Belo said:

 But to be clear, you'd be ok with armed janitors? 

I'd be ok with the lunch lady if she was trained and qualified. I have a different take on the Sheriff's that stood down. To me that proves that you need as many qualified resources as possible in any situation  to better the odds that someone can make the difference. Because you never know who will actually be able to act in any given situation. 

[Five Seasons]

40 minutes ago, Culvercreek hunt club said:

I'd be ok with the lunch lady if she was trained and qualified. I have a different take on the Sheriff's that stood down. To me that proves that you need as many qualified resources as possible in any situation  to better the odds that someone can make the difference. Because you never know who will actually be able to act in any given situation. 

on paper i whole heartedly agree with this. But I've lived in the world long enough where I know the majority of well educated teachers with the students best interests in mind aren't the answer. Where too many underpaid lunch laddies and janitors do not have the children's best interest in mind. There are exceptions to every rule as Chase points out. 

I just think the real answer is better funding for mental health, holding our agencies accountable and possibly trained and armed guards whose only job is to protect. Not where people wear multiple hats. Too many opportunities for a teacher to break... 

imagine if this guy didn't/couldn't keep his cool? And imagine if he was packing? 

 

[Five Seasons]

btw, this is the generation eating tidepods but also "saving the world" according to cnn lol

[Culvercreek hunt club]

4 minutes ago, Belo said:

imagine if this guy didn't/couldn't keep his cool? And imagine if he was packing? 

 

The teacher doesn't sound or look like a high risk person to me. Now had he (justifiably) decked that kid you could make a case for  your comment but seems he did it right. 

[The_Field_Ager]

Roid rage

[The_Field_Ager]

House Democrats Push Ban on ‘High Capacity’ Magazines and 205 Different Firearms

 

They are really going for it, trying to seize the day:

 

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/27/house-democrats-push-ban-205-different-firearms/

 

[The_Field_Ager]

The Broward Sheriff’s Juvenile Arrest Conspiracy Might Actually Be True

https://www.redstate.com/sarah-rumpf/2018/02/27/the-broward-sheriffs-juvenile-arrest-conspiracy-might-actually-be-true/

[bugsNbows]

1 hour ago, Culvercreek hunt club said:

The teacher doesn't sound or look like a high risk person to me. Now had he (justifiably) decked that kid you could make a case for  your comment but seems he did it right. 

The white kid going off on the Asian teacher is repulsive. If that "boy" was my "son", he would be in for a lesson he'd soon not forget! Pathetic. 

[Culvercreek hunt club]

12 minutes ago, bugsNbows said:

The white kid going off on the Asian teacher is repulsive. If that "boy" was my "son", he would be in for a lesson he'd soon not forget! Pathetic. 

I whole heartedly believe that is part of the problem we are facing now. These kids have no fear and are not brought up  to respect others. Hell, if I screwed up I could have gotten a but whooping from a teacher or a neighborhood parent. My parent's response wouldn't have been to call them out or make a stink.  They would have apologized for my behavior, made me apologize and then given me a butt whooping that dwarfed the first one and grounded me until I moved out of the house.  I literally spent entire summers grounded and confined to our property unless it was something for the family  type stuff.  The time there wasn't with my nose in the TV. I got chore lists that took the full day from the time the parents left until they got home.  Didn't take long to figure out what behavior to avoid. 

[The_Field_Ager]

Something rotten in the State of Broward:

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On Monday, Fox News host Laura Ingraham revealed in an exclusive that Broward County Sheriff's Deputies were supposedly told not to enter Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School unless they had body cameras on, which they did not have.

Ingraham also revealed that police "lost radio transmissions" during the shooting, which also happened at the mass shooting at Fort Lauderdale airport shooting last year, which is also in Broward County.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/27602/breaking-broward-county-deputies-were-told-not-ryan-saavedra

[The_Field_Ager]

 

Edited February 27, 2018 by Papist

[Nomad]

As far as losing radio transmissions, I can say our system sucks .

If you’re on your portable , lots of times the dispatcher can’t hear you if your in a building or basement of a home, and we can’t hear the transmissions of someone only a couple ,miles away .

 Chiefs have repeaters I their cars and we have special radios for  use in high rises , and still they suck . There have been times I just give up and call the dispatcher by cell phone .

On a big event there is so much traffic , and guys taking over each other many transmissions are never heard or recorded .

[The_Field_Ager]

This is getting weird. This witness was speaking with Cruz while shooting was occurring elsewhere. No account of the full tactical get-up that a teacher described seeing either. What do we think happened here?

At 1:11 'There was definitely another shooter involved' 

 

[ADK Native]

On 2/26/2018 at 12:30 PM, Belo said:

i'm fairly confident wilderness is papist. not one hunting post since joining. obviously trying to gain support for his movement. lol. what a loser. 

Sorry that you forgot on page 10 you called me a "loser".  BUT I do not care since "inappropriate" remarks are meaningless to me and saddens me that we could not have an intelligent conversation to help solve problems.

Again, I started with the word "If" when I stated "If a teacher is armed they must be trained, capable of knowing enough hand to hand combat to repel some violent student from taking their weapon from them, AND most importantly they must be able to aim at and kill an armed assailant without hesitation."

I never advocated that all teachers carry a hand gun, only those qualified  (background checked and trained) and willing to use deadly force.  Using deadly force is a very dark side of any civilized human because having been in combat you have no time to think about preserving your' life and your soldiers lives, you just do it.  A teacher would have to do the same .  They would have to switch from being a peaceful loving teacher and mentor to children, to going full tactical on a murderous shooter with as my BCT manual states  an "Aim To Kill" mentality.

That deputy was a coward.  When the lives of those you are given responsibility over are in danger you don't think, you go into action.

Papist is my friend.  So please be nice to him.  He is a very intelligent fellow who provides a wealth of information.

[wolc123]

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4 hours ago, Culvercreek hunt club said:

I whole heartedly believe that is part of the problem we are facing now. These kids have no fear and are not brought up  to respect others. Hell, if I screwed up I could have gotten a but whooping from a teacher or a neighborhood parent. My parent's response wouldn't have been to call them out or make a stink.  They would have apologized for my behavior, made me apologize and then given me a butt whooping that dwarfed the first one and grounded me until I moved out of the house.  I literally spent entire summers grounded and confined to our property unless it was something for the family  type stuff.  The time there wasn't with my nose in the TV. I got chore lists that took the full day from the time the parents left until they got home.  Didn't take long to figure out what behavior to avoid. 

I don't see how we can expect kids to respect teachers and other adults when the media continuously bombards them with adults engaged in disrespecting and demonstrating hatred towards those who they disagree with, all the way up to and including the President of our country.       

[The_Field_Ager]

Wilderness, the ignore function works very well . Belo proved himself unworthy of serious or sustained comment a long time ago