IS THIS BAITING

[DIAMOND D]

Yeah I'm glad baiting is illegal here, not my kind of hunting 

[nyantler]

I bet nyantler has the biggest plot of all of us too, put my little 1 acre deal to shame

Are you kidding? I have trouble keeping the grass in my yard alive .. let alone get a food plot to grow  

[burmjohn]

I bet nyantler has the biggest plot of all of us too, put my little 1 acre deal to shame

Are you kidding? I have trouble keeping the grass in my yard alive .. let alone get a food plot to grow  

Hehehe

[Geno C]

each hunter will have his own view on hunting, thats whats to be expected... There are various options when it comes to hunting and most is just that, "Hunting". i do not believe you have to stalk game to be qualified as hunting. i dont think hunting over bait is considered hunting per say but then again if you have an area where multiple guys are baiting whos to say you will even see anything over that bait pile?

anyways, i wouldnt limit those who are ambush hunting and say its not really hunting. Although im sure Joe gets a kick out of what hes does and how he does his hunting, its just not realistic to those who dont have access to large tracks of land to do so.

[Doc]

Wouldn't it be interesting if it became law that stalking was the only legitimate way to hunt. The entire hunter population would be on their feet walking over, under, around, and through, each other .... lol. It certainly would keep the deer moving.

Actually, back in the old days, before all this wonderful high-tech clothing, we used to see that exact scenario after the first few hours of the season passed and everyone started to freeze up. It was like a perpetual drive throughout the entire woods. And we sure did see a lot of deer!

[growalot]

NYA....a question...just curious....is that you in your avitar?....If so..... are you strapped to that tree quietly laying wait over a trail?.....that might lead to... as most trails do ..say a food source..bedding area or such...Or are you up there "Hunting" away while doing an Irish Jigg or something.... ;D

[cwhite]

Whayever the reason..the point is the same...feeders or food plots..yer just attractin game..nothin wrong with it..just dont try to justify it by showing yer work..end result is the same..

Let me try to explain the difference.  Feeders operate on timers in locations that don't provide natural feed, thus conditioning deer to respond to an area in an unnatural manner.  A feeder goes off and the deer that shows up 3rd or 4th in line is S.O.L. until the next time a couple more pounds of kernels are spewed out.  Most of the time a dominant doe will take over a feeder and beat the hell out of any intruder who dares to walk within 30 yards.  How many times have you heard people who have feeders brag about them going off and watching deer within 15 minutes.  If you think they don't turn deer into Pavlov's dogs then you are straight up in denial.  The animals are conditioned by the sound of the feeder.  They are also conditioned by the guy with the pale of apples and corn too.   

Food plots become as natural a food source as a farmers field after a few weeks of existence.  No timers, no human intrusion, no deer fighting over it, etc.....    My plots provide up to 5 tons of high quality feed per acre.  The food is there 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, rain or shine, whether I'm on vacation or drop dead tomorrow.  A feeder spreads about 8 pounds of feed a day.  Everyone in a one mile radius benefits from a food plot.  The only person who benefits from a feeder is the guy sitting in his perch.

I understand that food plots don't suit everyones hunting style.  There are many ways to skin a cat.  But it chaps me a bit when someone advocates baiting by saying it is the same thing as planting a food plot.  No, they aren't. 

[nyantler]

NYA....a question...just curious....is that you in your avitar?....If so..... are you strapped to that tree quietly laying wait over a trail?.....that might lead to... as most trails do ..say a food source..bedding area or such...Or are you up there "Hunting" away while doing an Irish Jigg or something.... ;D

Why yes that is me posing nicely in my buddies treestand as he takes a pic of me... it was a staged pic that I used for the header of my website... it was  taken in January...after the season...  I hunt from the ground with my recurve and have for the last 11 years... 11 years I might add that I have passed on at least 50 bucks within 20 yards...but haven't had one of my liking close enough to kill.. and have gone without a buck with my bow for all those exciting 11 years... looking forward to #12... does it really bother you all that much that I don't hunt over a food plot or sit in a treestand all day? I'm not sure why everyone cares so much... I just don't enjoy hunting like most guys do... I did years ago.. but I just don't get enjoyment anymore hunting the age old conventional way... sorry

Oh.. as for the irish looking hat and outfit... that would be the first clue that I'm not hunting.. I where a leafy gilly type suit when I bow hunt... but thanks for noticing my snappy attire 

[burmjohn]

NYA....a question...just curious....is that you in your avitar?....If so..... are you strapped to that tree quietly laying wait over a trail?.....that might lead to... as most trails do ..say a food source..bedding area or such...Or are you up there "Hunting" away while doing an Irish Jigg or something.... ;D

Why yes that is me posing nicely in my buddies treestand as he takes a pic of me... it was a staged pic that I used for the header of my website... it was  taken in January...after the season...  I hunt from the ground with my recurve and have for the last 11 years... 11 years I might add that I have passed on at least 50 bucks within 20 yards...but haven't had one of my liking close enough to kill.. and have gone without a buck with my bow for all those exciting 11 years... looking forward to #12... does it really bother you all that much that I don't hunt over a food plot or sit in a treestand all day? I'm not sure why everyone cares so much... I just don't enjoy hunting like most guys do... I did years ago.. but I just don't get enjoyment anymore hunting the age old conventional way... sorry

I do a mix of both.  There is nothing like taking a nice slow walk / stalk.  In fact, I saw the biggest buck during gun season in my scope too during a walk.  And I did not pull the trigger because I had no line of sight behind him (it was on sort of on a peak, then it dipped down and then the mountain behind it) and I had my brother (at least I thought) only about 300 yards (or less) in front of me and I take no chances with the gun.  Good news is I know this buck is around for next year because we saw him during muzzle season, my uncle had a misfire on the same buck - He is one lucky buck - a nice big 8 ptr, maybe more this year!

[growalot]

Nope doesn't bother me at all...just the pic didn't match your words...not that I thought for a moment you wouldn't have a plausable answer to a simple question

[nyantler]

Nope doesn't bother me at all...just the pic didn't match your words...not that I thought for a moment you wouldn't have a plausable answer to a simple question

Not plausable... honest.

[fasteddie]

Why yes that is me posing nicely in my buddies treestand as he takes a pic of me... it was a staged pic that I used for the header of my website... it was  taken in January...after the season...  I hunt from the ground with my recurve and have for the last 11 years... 11 years I might add that I have passed on at least 50 bucks within 20 yards...but haven't had one of my liking close enough to kill.. and have gone without a buck with my bow for all those exciting 11 years... looking forward to #12... does it really bother you all that much that I don't hunt over a food plot or sit in a treestand all day? I'm not sure why everyone cares so much... I just don't enjoy hunting like most guys do... I did years ago.. but I just don't get enjoyment anymore hunting the age old conventional way... sorry

Oh.. as for the irish looking hat and outfit... that would be the first clue that I'm not hunting.. I where a leafy gilly type suit when I bow hunt... but thanks for noticing my snappy attire 

This BS has gone to 6 pages and personally , I don't give a Damn how you hunt ! And I could also care less as to how you think of my hunting .

I enjoy the treestand hunting and do minimal stalking of deer except for gun season .

[Localqdm]

NYA....a question...just curious....is that you in your avitar?....If so..... are you strapped to that tree quietly laying wait over a trail?.....that might lead to... as most trails do ..say a food source..bedding area or such...Or are you up there "Hunting" away while doing an Irish Jigg or something.... ;D

Why yes that is me posing nicely in my buddies treestand as he takes a pic of me... it was a staged pic that I used for the header of my website... it was  taken in January...after the season...  I hunt from the ground with my recurve and have for the last 11 years... 11 years I might add that I have passed on at least 50 bucks within 20 yards...but haven't had one of my liking close enough to kill.. and have gone without a buck with my bow for all those exciting 11 years... looking forward to #12... does it really bother you all that much that I don't hunt over a food plot or sit in a treestand all day? I'm not sure why everyone cares so much... I just don't enjoy hunting like most guys do... I did years ago.. but I just don't get enjoyment anymore hunting the age old conventional way... sorry

Oh.. as for the irish looking hat and outfit... that would be the first clue that I'm not hunting.. I where a leafy gilly type suit when I bow hunt... but thanks for noticing my snappy attire 

I just thought it was a trad thing, like Fred Bear.  Kinda looked like his hat, and for a while he didn't wear camo either.

[Dave]

author=nyantler link=topic=4923.msg60258#msg60258 date=1309018669]

I'm not one for caring what people think about HOW I say what I mean... any hang-ups that people have with it is on them not me... the reason I choose to hunt the way I do is because I don't think hunting over food plots is hunting... it is waiting in my view... if you consider waiting to be pursuit according to Websters definition of hunting then I guess you have done a good job defending those that think it is hunting... I don't consider waiting to be pursuit... therefore waiting is not hunting to me... so I choose not to do it

You must do a heck of a lot of walking / stalking to get your deer !

That I do Eddie... I can do as much as 10 miles in a day sometimes if I'm looking hard for a buck... at the end of the day I am usually pretty whipped!! But I love it...

Antler, lets be realistic how many hunters have access to that much land where we could walk 10 miles in a day. Many of us have small parcels of land probably 100 acres or less. Not conducive to that much stalking unless we want to chase the deer to someone else's property. That's why so many guys hunt from tree stands. Just my opinion.

Dave

[Geno C]

Wouldn't it be interesting if it became law that stalking was the only legitimate way to hunt. The entire hunter population would be on their feet walking over, under, around, and through, each other .... lol. It certainly would keep the deer moving.

Actually, back in the old days, before all this wonderful high-tech clothing, we used to see that exact scenario after the first few hours of the season passed and everyone started to freeze up. It was like a perpetual drive throughout the entire woods. And we sure did see a lot of deer!

interesting? yes, exciting? no...

think about how it is when you have a guy walk up on you while your on post. now take every hunter and have them walking around? thats remedy for disaster.. lol

think about it a bunch of hunters looking for movement to shoot at? theres enough accidents a field now a days.

[Geno C]

to each is own...

i actually took my 8 point last year 2 days after opening of gun on a planned stalk where the wind was in my favor to pull it off in my area, my first real stalk and i was in and out of the woods in 30 min with an 8 point who was coming straight at me with the wind. Prob one of the most exciting hunts i have ever had. My plan came together, it doesnt always happen but when it does its great!

i might be doing alittle more stalking in the years to come.

[Doewhacker]

Where I come from we call it "still hunting", stalking is something you do when you see something and try to get closer. Whatever you call it, its all hunting.

Personally I feel that tree stands do make it alot easier, especially for bow hunting but I still am going to use them from time to time.

[Doc]

Actually if you consider gun hunting, I do a majority of my gunhunting by still hunting. What I have found is that sitting is great for opening day, but after that the deer develop a hide and seek tactic that makes them seem to have disappeared. Regardless of how few hunters show up in the following weeks, or how little they seem to move about, the deer still play the disappearing act once they have had the initial opening day trauma. I guess there are still enough hunters walking the woods spreading "hunter stink" that even if the shooting subsides, they still know we are after them. So as the Wentzels say, this is the time to employ the "you go to them" strategy. There's not enough guys out after opening day to really get deer moving to my stand, so I have quite a few strategic routes where I move like a snail with the wind in my face. And by golly if you're persistant enough and slow enough, and quiet enough it is a very productive method......for GUN hunting. For bow, I have had still-hunting work only a few times, but I must admit that most of my still-hunting during bow season really has the goal somewhat diluted by in-season scouting. So perhaps I do not do it with the same intensity that I do with the gun. But there is also the added challenge that when I have a bow in my hands, I really have to get within 30 yards or less of the deer. Not so with a gun. Big difference! My bread and butter for bow hunting is sitting in a ground blind. I consider both methods to be hunting. Both have their challenges, and neither is to be considered a piece of cake or offering any kinds of guarantees.

[nyantler]

author=nyantler link=topic=4923.msg60258#msg60258 date=1309018669]

I'm not one for caring what people think about HOW I say what I mean... any hang-ups that people have with it is on them not me... the reason I choose to hunt the way I do is because I don't think hunting over food plots is hunting... it is waiting in my view... if you consider waiting to be pursuit according to Websters definition of hunting then I guess you have done a good job defending those that think it is hunting... I don't consider waiting to be pursuit... therefore waiting is not hunting to me... so I choose not to do it

You must do a heck of a lot of walking / stalking to get your deer !

That I do Eddie... I can do as much as 10 miles in a day sometimes if I'm looking hard for a buck... at the end of the day I am usually pretty whipped!! But I love it...

Antler, lets be realistic how many hunters have access to that much land where we could walk 10 miles in a day. Many of us have small parcels of land probably 100 acres or less. Not conducive to that much stalking unless we want to chase the deer to someone else's property. That's why so many guys hunt from tree stands. Just my opinion.

Dave

Who said anything about anyone else walking 10 miles a day? I was responding to Eddie concerning what "I" do... Why is it that everytime I say something about the way I think of hunting and how I hunt.. you take it as I am saying that everyone has to be doing the same thing... I don't care how everyone else hunts... not even a little bit... if you love treestands.. God Bless ya.. I don't... that doesn't mean I am against guys hunting out of treestands... if what ever anyone does makes their hunting experience exciting for them... that is terrific.. I like to walk.. even on 100 acre parcels of land... I just walk a lot slower and put on less mileage.. I walk when I bow hunt, I walk when I gun hunt... thats just what I like to do... you can like whatever you want. But if you're interested... all hunters have the same access that I have to the Adirondacks if you'd like to try going for a walk sometime...

[Dave]

author=nyantler link=topic=4923.msg60258#msg60258 date=1309018669]

I'm not one for caring what people think about HOW I say what I mean... any hang-ups that people have with it is on them not me... the reason I choose to hunt the way I do is because I don't think hunting over food plots is hunting... it is waiting in my view... if you consider waiting to be pursuit according to Websters definition of hunting then I guess you have done a good job defending those that think it is hunting... I don't consider waiting to be pursuit... therefore waiting is not hunting to me... so I choose not to do it

You must do a heck of a lot of walking / stalking to get your deer !

That I do Eddie... I can do as much as 10 miles in a day sometimes if I'm looking hard for a buck... at the end of the day I am usually pretty whipped!! But I love it...

Antler, lets be realistic how many hunters have access to that much land where we could walk 10 miles in a day. Many of us have small parcels of land probably 100 acres or less. Not conducive to that much stalking unless we want to chase the deer to someone else's property. That's why so many guys hunt from tree stands. Just my opinion.

Dave

Who said anything about anyone else walking 10 miles a day? I was responding to Eddie concerning what "I" do... Why is it that everytime I say something about the way I think of hunting and how I hunt.. you take it as I am saying that everyone has to be doing the same thing... I don't care how everyone else hunts... not even a little bit... if you love treestands.. God Bless ya.. I don't... that doesn't mean I am against guys hunting out of treestands... if what ever anyone does makes their hunting experience exciting for them... that is terrific.. I like to walk.. even on 100 acre parcels of land... I just walk a lot slower and put on less mileage.. I walk when I bow hunt, I walk when I gun hunt... thats just what I like to do... you can like whatever you want. But if you're interested... all hunters have the same access that I have to the Adirondacks if you'd like to try going for a walk sometime...

Antler, I don't care if you walk your A-- off that is up to you. You may live close to the Adirondacks and have access to lots of land to roam around. But most of us are not so fortunate, if we were may be we would walk our a--- off too. Just pointing out you have the opportunity that most hunters don't. I am in no way saying that we should hunt the way you do. I don't  think the American Indians could keep up with you Tonto.

[DIAMOND D]

Yeah, I think its time to drop this nonsense.

Antler feels that hunting over a food plot is not hunting. If you disagree and provide parallels those parallels are discredited, if you disagree and provide definitions those definitions (or the minds behind them) are discredited.

He will continue to argue the semantics of each and every statement anyone makes against his view. And 8 pages later TADA he still disagrees with fact.  (all while referring to the activity he does not believe to be hunting as HUNTING out of a tree stand, HUNTING using a food plot etc. in every last post).

I believe he is smarter than this, and is just enjoying sharpening his debate skills.  ;D

[Dave]

Yeah, I think its time to drop this nonsense.

Antler feels that hunting over a food plot is not hunting. If you disagree and provide parallels those parallels are discredited, if you disagree and provide definitions those definitions (or the minds behind them) are discredited.

He will continue to argue the semantics of each and every statement anyone makes against his view. And 8 pages later TADA he still disagrees with fact.  (all while referring to the activity he does not believe to be hunting as HUNTING out of a tree stand, HUNTING using a food plot etc. in every last post).

I believe he is smarter than this, and is just enjoying sharpening his debate skills.  ;D

I think you are right but don't over estimate his smarts. He has a one track mind.

Dave

[Doc]

I don't care how everyone else hunts... not even a little bit... if you love treestands.. God Bless ya.. I don't... that doesn't mean I am against guys hunting out of treestands... if what ever anyone does makes their hunting experience exciting for them... that is terrific..

Except for the fact that you have claimed in previous quotes that that sitting in treestands or waiting in ambush at food plots (or waiting in ambush anywhere) is not hunting. So I think what you have been saying is that if you don't hunt deer on foot, you are not a real hunter because you are not really hunting..... Have I got that right?

[Dave]

I don't care how everyone else hunts... not even a little bit... if you love treestands.. God Bless ya.. I don't... that doesn't mean I am against guys hunting out of treestands... if what ever anyone does makes their hunting experience exciting for them... that is terrific..

Except for the fact that you have claimed in previous quotes that that sitting in treestands or waiting in ambush at food plots (or waiting in ambush anywhere) is not hunting. So I think what you have been saying is that if you don't hunt deer on foot, you are not a real hunter because you are not really hunting..... Have I got that right?

Doc, I couldn't put it any better, that's exactly what he is saying. But he will probably but a spin on that too. Of course he will say he doesn't care what you think . But he sure posts a lot of BS. Debate I don't think so.

Dave

[nyantler]

I don't care how everyone else hunts... not even a little bit... if you love treestands.. God Bless ya.. I don't... that doesn't mean I am against guys hunting out of treestands... if what ever anyone does makes their hunting experience exciting for them... that is terrific..

Except for the fact that you have claimed in previous quotes that that sitting in treestands or waiting in ambush at food plots (or waiting in ambush anywhere) is not hunting. So I think what you have been saying is that if you don't hunt deer on foot, you are not a real hunter because you are not really hunting..... Have I got that right?

Real hunter??... I don't even know what that is... all I'm saying is that I don't hunt from a treestand because I consider it waiting not hunting... thats my personal opinion. If you think it's hunting then its hunting... for some it is quite affective... and exciting... just not for me... and I don't see why I have to consider it hunting if I don't want to... just because everyone else here does?  If you want me to tell you it's hunting.. okay it's hunting... does everyone feel better now? I'm learning it's much better to just agree with everyone here... it tends to keep the level of crying and whining to a minimum... :