Deer management draft proposal recently released by the DEC.

[growalot]

Your comments on arrows in my back side is no better than what I would ever anticipate from you Sits In Trees

Back the the issue....150ft is a mere 50 yrds...now I know Everyone here are just perfect and never had an errant arrow and I'm sure you know nothing but other perfect hunters...Well I'm honest enough to admit I'm not and we all know I don't have a lot of perfect hunters around me....

2 examples:

deciding to lengthen practice out to 40 yrds...my shot went over the targets back....mind you 40yrds...traveled another 10yrds ...hit a boulder.....defected up and I found that arrow another 60 yrds...give or take 3...stuck in a tree 6ft high....total 110ydrs or 330 ft....from a  older bow shooting 51 #

Another time shooting from a 16ft stand during practice...my hand was tired and upon drawing the arrow released...now when I draw I do so as if at ground level and then bend at waist.....well I never found that arrow and looked for hours...because it had traveled through our woods a very long ways before I lost sight of it......but hey just because no one ever talks of their mistakes ...they don't happen

There aren't enough conflicts between hunters and non hunters and property lines going on

Hey lets put more ppl out there on less land then start throwing the safety measures out the window too.......

[bubba]

I guess I am the dumb one again, but I can not picture a place I would hunt that would be within 167 yards ( approx 500 feet) much less 150 feet unless I had permission to be there and permission to shoot so close by the owner.  Hunting literally in someone's yard does not seem right.  Maybe if their house was on one side of the road and I was hunting across the road. I pefer some woods to hunt in. 

[WNYBuckHunter]

I guess I am the dumb one again, but I can not picture a place I would hunt that would be within 167 yards ( approx 500 feet) much less 150 feet unless I had permission to be there and permission to shoot so close by the owner.  Hunting literally in someone's yard does not seem right.  Maybe if their house was on one side of the road and I was hunting across the road. I pefer some woods to hunt in.

Youre in the NZ bubba, you guys dont have cities or suburban areas up there, so you are probably right. 

[G-Man]

OK you own a 2 1/2 acre lot..against a buisness. they don't allow hunting(liablity issues) the deer walk thru the center of your property but you cannot get away 500" from their block building. now you can hunt your own land with out needing permission of your neighbor. Of course i hope you drop it because it will probably leave your property to die....

[bubba]

according to the guide book you can not discharge a firearm within 500 feet of that building regardless if you are on your own property or not Page 18 last column bottom of page. It is illegal to discharge a firearm or bow within 500 feet of any school, playground or an occupied factory or church.  So I am guessing you got that 2.5 acres cheap.

[bubba]

I guess I am the dumb one again, but I can not picture a place I would hunt that would be within 167 yards ( approx 500 feet) much less 150 feet unless I had permission to be there and permission to shoot so close by the owner.  Hunting literally in someone's yard does not seem right.  Maybe if their house was on one side of the road and I was hunting across the road. I pefer some woods to hunt in.

Youre in the NZ bubba, you guys dont have cities or suburban areas up there, so you are probably right. 

I have been to the sz many times.  I guess it has really developed as I do not recall the whole sz as one big city. 

[WNYBuckHunter]

I guess I am the dumb one again, but I can not picture a place I would hunt that would be within 167 yards ( approx 500 feet) much less 150 feet unless I had permission to be there and permission to shoot so close by the owner.  Hunting literally in someone's yard does not seem right.  Maybe if their house was on one side of the road and I was hunting across the road. I pefer some woods to hunt in.

Youre in the NZ bubba, you guys dont have cities or suburban areas up there, so you are probably right. 

I have been to the sz many times.  I guess it has really developed as I do not recall the whole sz as one big city.

Lighten up buttercup it was a joke. 

[G-Man]

Actually that piece belongs to a friend of mine..and he had the property first the building was built later in a urban sprall that sent land values soring.. fact is 150' is still pretty far when in thick woods..can't see an arrow making it even if shot directly at the building... And there are a lot of great deer as since the existing rules no hunting has happened there in over 10 years. old mature bucks are hopefully soon to be taken!!

[bubba]

I guess I am the dumb one again, but I can not picture a place I would hunt that would be within 167 yards ( approx 500 feet) much less 150 feet unless I had permission to be there and permission to shoot so close by the owner.  Hunting literally in someone's yard does not seem right.  Maybe if their house was on one side of the road and I was hunting across the road. I pefer some woods to hunt in.

Youre in the NZ bubba, you guys dont have cities or suburban areas up there, so you are probably right. 

I have been to the sz many times.  I guess it has really developed as I do not recall the whole sz as one big city.

Lighten up buttercup it was a joke. 

I know it was a joke and my response was tongue in cheek

[WNYBuckHunter]

I guess I am the dumb one again, but I can not picture a place I would hunt that would be within 167 yards ( approx 500 feet) much less 150 feet unless I had permission to be there and permission to shoot so close by the owner.  Hunting literally in someone's yard does not seem right.  Maybe if their house was on one side of the road and I was hunting across the road. I pefer some woods to hunt in.

Youre in the NZ bubba, you guys dont have cities or suburban areas up there, so you are probably right. 

I have been to the sz many times.  I guess it has really developed as I do not recall the whole sz as one big city.

Lighten up buttercup it was a joke. 

I know it was a joke and my response was tongue in cheek

I didnt pick up the sarcasm I guess lol

[sits in trees]

as "talks alot" says 150 ft/50yds is a little close nomatter where you hunt, i think reducing to 300 feet would be a good comprimise and very safe....

[bubba]

The law does not say you can dischage a firearm within 500 feet.  it says you can with consent. So if I wanted to be that close to someones home and even more if someone was going ot be that close to my home, I would want to know and give permission, or deny it.  I could not picture someone being 100 yards from my home hunting or needing to discharge a firearm or bow that close.  On the other hand 10 feet is fine if you are not shooting toward the home.  But we all know how that goes. 

[fasteddie]

as "talks alot" says 150 ft/50yds is a little close nomatter where you hunt, i think reducing to 300 feet would be a good comprimise and very safe....

100 yards would be much better than 50 . http://www.downsouthhuntingforums.com/images/smiles/2cents.gif[/img]

[Culvercreek hunt club]

I can see the reduction for bow...I'd buy the 300'. NO WAY it should be reduced for gun though. I have hunted very populated areas especially in the 8C area where it is bow only. The deer population really needs to be trimmed here and they even offer bonus tags once you fill your normal ones. there are many areas that this reduction would help bring the population down. That said....if that is their motivation they could easily alter the distance by county or WMU to achieve the goal and not change anything else in the state.

[growalot]

CHC...now that is a good idea...but still at that the change for the bow only areas should be 100yrds and remain the same as gun every where else....what happened to asking..thought all you guys where big on that...if the bow only areas have ppl sick of loosing thousands to deer damage it should be easy to get permission with all the huggable personalities out there

[growalot]

By the way....On one other sight I'm on ...and these are very friendly non confrontational ppl....from many states north south and west...and they put a post up about NYS deer proposals...non of us NY'ers had mentioned it.....The concensus (SP)... That we had better start fighting this.... for to them...it sounds like our hunting was in the process of getting back doored...they had read an article in the NYpost

[burmjohn]

link?

[growalot]

I'll put the link to the article they posted...not the site..I really like that site and it's respectful ppl........

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/oh_deer_new_rules_hurt_hunters_cEYzM96BiWU0OzRbweqK3N

[burmjohn]

Did anyone read the comments under the article? One guy has a valid point. If they eliminate the either sex tag for bow/muzzleloader they should give a refund to the lifetime muzzleloader/bow licence holders that want one.

Yup... Good points... Basically though this is going to a 1 buck per person rule, which is fine by me.  I do bow hunt and last year was my first muzzle, so you can still take a doe with that tag (at least during bow, or is that not the case with this proposal?)...  I have to read more tonight when I have time

[growalot]

I believe that unless your in an area that you were lucky enough to draw a doe tag....but I know many ppl that have not gotten doe tags for their areas...say 8M...8X...those are very iffy spots...and there hunt would be over....As many ppl have said this will cause a hunter loss in NYS dumb move ...not thought through...

I always believed the bow hunters should get an automatic doe tag each year...if they are worried so much about the herd being too high ...why not?....of all hunters... from what I've read in many posts over the years...we do, perhaps, the most traveling across the state

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Let's take a realistic look at this though.  A one buck tag....great ( I am for that as well). If they do away with the guaranteed doe tags for Bow and ML and issue just doe tags....the number issued should go up based on the reduced guaranteed numbers.  Now that looks great on paper but how many guys out there will be having their non hunting significant other and kids getting their license and applying for doe tags to sign over.....and no doubt using their buck tags as well.

[nyantler]

Let's take a realistic look at this though.  A one buck tag....great ( I am for that as well). If they do away with the guaranteed doe tags for Bow and ML and issue just doe tags....the number issued should go up based on the reduced guaranteed numbers.  Now that looks great on paper but how many guys out there will be having their non hunting significant other and kids getting their license and applying for doe tags to sign over.....and no doubt using their buck tags as well.

That has been going on for years Culver...

[Culvercreek hunt club]

I know that. I just think if it goes to one buck rule it will increase. And if dp's are the only avenue for does....it will increase as well. At least the doepermit aspect will be legal with the sign over option.....unless they remove that option

[bubba]

ok so if they get their wives kids etc to buy a license for a dmp,  more licenses are sold which means more money for the state two ways both state and federal.  It is  licenses that were not sold before, and in a back door way, the state can say hunting numbers are up.  Nothing illegal about it except you can only have 2 dmp signed over to you in a season, so if they have more, they are breaking the law. If they are breaking the law report it.

[YoungBucksTasteBetter]

Hi folks, just joined and found this to be an interesting post (well, maybe not the bodily functions parts).  I'm surprised at the number of folks that think it's ok for the DEC to propose a 66% reduction in the harvest tag count.  Some of us are actually good enough to fill those tags, and this would be a huge impact to my hunting season.  Also, it looks like their's a presumption is that the DEC will "make up" for the lost bow/muzzleloader tags with DMPs..there's nothing in this document that suggest that will be the case.  At least in my case, I'd like to have a tag that goes with the license I purchase, otherwise I'm going to have to wait and see if I get a DMP before I buy a Bow or ML tag.  Right now I happily buy the Super Sportsman license, and under the new plan if I didn't get a DMP that would mean these DEC folks who are counting on my dollars to cover their salaries will be seeing ~50% less from me each year.