NYS Layoffs Starting

[fasteddie]

On the front page of yesterday's D&C ( July 8 ) , there is an article about  NYS workers receiving layoff notices .

DEC 43

Office of Temporary and Disibility Assistance 42

Dept of Health 41

NYS DOT ---- 200 ..... This one worries me as my oldest son is an engineer with the State DOT . He has worked there for 12 years but seniority means nothing in the job classifications .

[Doc]

It has to be done. We have had decades of incremental growth of government, and the only solution is just like private industry ..... downsizing. We have grown beyond our ability to support what we have created. But now the only question will be whether we wind up cutting the right stuff. That seems to be something that is seldom done correctly even in private industry. Let's see if duplicate activities and all the favorite social bells and whistles get pared back. Let's also see if all the layers of management that have been added over the years get peeled back or whether it is just the workers who actually produce that get the lay-offs. Frankly, since it is management that makes the decisions, they likely won't be cutting their own .....  . We have to remember that this is NYS ..... the state that loves its liberalism. Can they make the correct hard decisions? Well, if they do, it will definitely be a first.

[MuzzyLoader]

And good ole' ethical Charlie asks.... "What would Jesus do?"

[bubba]

I was offered an early retirement and eliminate my position by attrition. I have until the end of the month to decide.  A pretty good package, but I am on the fence yet.

[RobC]

I never see political staff cuts or any politicians being cut. Pretty soon your going to have hundreds of politicians running a few state workers who are working for whats left of new york state population. Think of an upside down pyramid.

[sits in trees]

I was offered an early retirement and eliminate my position by attrition. I have until the end of the month to decide.  A pretty good package, but I am on the fence yet.

don't worry about your early retirement, if NY keeps going on the path it's on that will dry up sooner than later. even with the layoff of 10 thousand NY state workers there is still no solution to the under funded pension funds. and revenue thru tax increases, faagedaboudit! default is looming, oh wait it's federally guaranteed, hee, hee, thats a good one...

get ready fellas, it's all gonna come tumblin down real quick now

[bubba]

which is xactly why I have had an ira for years and oh some cash lying around. 

[fasteddie]

which is xactly why I have had an ira for years and oh some cash lying around.

Bubba ---- You had better check around and make surre no one has dug up those coffee cans filled with money !  :

[shu9265]

Funny thing about these "layoff's" and cuts to the work force.

We NEVER hear that the "Elected" and "Appointed" Politicians are being forced to take a layoff off or

having their position's eliminated. 

And NEVER is there any mention of these same politicians that are taking these "kick backs" and "Incentives" for getting things passed for some special interest groups, giving up their salary or taking a pay cut.

[Mr VJP]

If you would all stop voting for these bums and throw them out when they mismanage the taxpayers money, you wouldn't be asking if they can be laid off.  The voters are the problem.  Electing politicians that create these problems is the voters fault.  The electorate is about to get a shocking education regarding the importance of the election process and the responsibility that goes along with the right to vote. 

People get the type of government they deserve.  Anyone who votes without a full understanding of the candidates intentions and past voting record is a fool.  Anyone who votes because they expect to get a freebie at taxpayers expense is being selfish and not patriotic.  Anyone who doesn't vote at all is not entitled to complain.

[Elmo]

The employment landscape has changed.  Companies are trying to cut cost and they think they can always find the younger guy to do the same job for less money.  My company just went through a round of "lay-offs" as well.  Basically they went to all the senior staffs and gave them a vonluntary seperation package with a wink that implies if  you don't take it, we're going to cut your position anyway and you'll end up with nothing.  One of my staff who has been with the company for 22 years was offered the package.  He told me when he started working the common thought has always been to find a good company, stay there, and retire there.  Now it seems that anyone who stays with one company for too long is the abnormality.  My guess is a year or two later they will re-create his position and I'll end up hiring someone new.

[bubba]

which is xactly why I have had an ira for years and oh some cash lying around.

Bubba ---- You had better check around and make surre no one has dug up those coffee cans filled with money !  :

Ed I never said I had coffee cans of cash.  I have a safe lol.  It sure isnt enough to live on the rest of my life, or even 6 months but it is enough to buy some guns and ammo to get what I need.

[nyantler]

No layoffs happening in government... still growing in leaps and bounds. Anyone here have 20-30 staffers to help you do your job?? Or should I say do your job for you...

[5.9cummins]

It has to be done. We have had decades of incremental growth of government, and the only solution is just like private industry ..... downsizing. We have grown beyond our ability to support what we have created. But now the only question will be whether we wind up cutting the right stuff. That seems to be something that is seldom done correctly even in private industry. Let's see if duplicate activities and all the favorite social bells and whistles get pared back. Let's also see if all the layers of management that have been added over the years get peeled back or whether it is just the workers who actually produce that get the lay-offs. Frankly, since it is management that makes the decisions, they likely won't be cutting their own .....  . We have to remember that this is NYS ..... the state that loves its liberalism. Can they make the correct hard decisions? Well, if they do, it will definitely be a first.

You hit it on the head doc.

Take a look at the see through NY web site and look at the deputy commissioner, asst. deputy commissioner positions in some of the different state agencies. Every one of them is a POLITICAL APPOINTEE. They are all north of 100k positions, at least in my department they are. And they don't do a thing except waste money. Over a million in annual salary between the ones we got in our department and i work for a small agency. That doesn't include benefits or other "perks".

Upper management doesn't do a thing, some management lower down does get some stuff done if your lucky but you will never see anyone at that level cut. We have lost two so field staff so far and they are the boots in the field who actually do the work and provide services to the taxpayer and those are the cuts that are going to continue. 

Consolidation of services needs to be addressed at both the local and state level and weed out the duplication.

Benefits need to be rolled back.

Retirement age needs to be raised.

Contributions from employees needs to be increased.

Those are all just for starters.

[WNYBuckHunter]

The number of government jobs needs to be cut, and in addition, government jobs need to either be decent pay with great benefits OR great pay with decent benefits, not both great pay and great benefits. Those are not the only changes that need to happen, but they would be a start. Cutting unfilled positions and low paying positions is not going to do anything other than look like a good idea.

[wdswtr]

If you would all stop voting for these bums and throw them out when they mismanage the taxpayers money, you wouldn't be asking if they can be laid off.  The voters are the problem.  Electing politicians that create these problems is the voters fault.  The electorate is about to get a shocking education regarding the importance of the election process and the responsibility that goes along with the right to vote. 

People get the type of government they deserve.  Anyone who votes without a full understanding of the candidates intentions and past voting record is a fool.  Anyone who votes because they expect to get a freebie at taxpayers expense is being selfish and not patriotic.  Anyone who doesn't vote at all is not entitled to complain.

Well thats all good and makes sense but theres only one big problem to your solution!!!!!  We have not had any polititians worthy to vote for.  None.  I dont think there is a republican with big enough cahonies to step up in a state that is messed up like it is.  Yeah we get a joker or 2 here and there but they have not impressed me either.  I truly believe our biggest problem lies in NYC and as long as that place is reconized as NY and all the liberal bs it entails the rest of the state is going to suffer.  Try to google anything with the letters NY in it on the web.  You get 100 NYC search results and one state search result.  The bottom line is we have no one who qualifies in my book to bail this state out of its own demise.  But with all that said I revert back to your post and sit here and still wonder why we all  complain so much and yet we keep electing Dems to office.  Oh wait NYC. 

[wdswtr]

And the state can layoff as many employees as it deems fit to meet the critical needs of saving the state money right,  naww the libs will just spend it on something else like new elevators in a correctional facility that they shut down a few weeks later, or heck lets purchase a whole bunch of new patrol cars to replace perfectly good ones or hell lets spend a few weekends on the taxpayers dollars because we are in a deadlock over what the state vegetable or dog should be.  Lets shutdown rest areas so tractor trailer drivers or vacationers can pull off to get some rest instead of driving through exhaustion and risking their lives and yours and then turn around and repave sections of 81 that didnt need it at all.  Geesh while they are at it they should spend thousands debating the rerouting of 81 through syracuse for what was it 60 billion dollars or some stupid number like that.  Hey why not layoff some of our state workers then give out state grants to middle aged low income non working individuals to go back to college.  I can go on for along time with this.  I truly believe they have no clue at all and dont really gives a rats ass as long as there pockets are lined and all there buddies think they are a class act.  I am very disapointed and it truly saddens me to think I am raising my kids with a generation that gives them no reason to become anything other than a mooching bum.  A country that extends unemployment to 3 years, gives out cell phones to the welfare, free college loans to non working class all the while laying off current employees, child tax credits heck the more you have the more you get right, free education and job placement to convicts when they get out,  heres how I see a great life for an 18 year old high school grad.  Get a simple minded seasonal job for the summer, get layed off, collect unemployment for 3 years, and then from there they have multiple choices as how they want to spend the rest of their life. Path 1 during the 3 years of collecting unemploment start having children out of wedlock, apply for wic, heap, medicaid any public assistance you can, after a few years of getting 10000 dollars back on your annual taxes for the child tax credits apply for a grant to get your college paid for and go back to school and get your education and then ponder whether you truly want a job and get one or just run around and tell all your friends I graduated from college and Im smart.  Path 2 graduate form school, or maybe not and start a life of crime so you can get a free ride to jail, get free room, clothes, food, entertainement and best of all an education, do your time get out with a job that you had been placed in,  spend a year or two doing that and then when that comes to an end you get yet another couple choices to make,  unemployment for 3 years or commit another crime go spend a few more years in jail for free.  Path number 3  realize when you graduate that you where raised with great morals and values and pursue a higher education, graduate from college, start your career, start your family and continue to pass down the sense of pride the values and morals your parent taught you.  The first lady made a statement a few years back that it was the first time she was truly proud of being and american,  well first lady I can tell you its the first time I have been on the fence deciding wether Im proud of being an american or truly embarresed.  When does bow season start?????? NOt soon enough for me to escape this government for a few hours at a time. 

[erussell]

Well I guess they already found someplace to place the money. Right into there activist Judges pockets for the prostitution provided. Me love you long time Andrew Cuomo!! Well aint this a kick in the balls!!! I need to find  Ann Pfau  and see if she can make a recommmendation for a raise for me to. Lets see the Worlds financial system has gone to sh-- what can we do here in NY to make it better oh I know lets double what we pay judges and lay off a bunch of hard working blue collar folks. FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

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[sits in trees]

which is xactly why I have had an ira for years and oh some cash lying around.

no joke, we could come to a point in this country where cash is king.....and the only way we will be able to survive is with goods and services locally. look at whats going on in Washington with the debt ceiling, possible gov shutdowns, gridlock, the moneys done gone, the Gov is no longer in the position to help this situation, at this point all they can do is side track us with BS.  i have a feeling this 9% unemployment is the new norm. Chinas eatin our lunch! ahh at least as hunters we should be able to feed ourselves....

[sits in trees]

If you would all stop voting for these bums and throw them out when they mismanage the taxpayers money, you wouldn't be asking if they can be laid off.  The voters are the problem.  Electing politicians that create these problems is the voters fault.  The electorate is about to get a shocking education regarding the importance of the election process and the responsibility that goes along with the right to vote. 

People get the type of government they deserve.  Anyone who votes without a full understanding of the candidates intentions and past voting record is a fool.  Anyone who votes because they expect to get a freebie at taxpayers expense is being selfish and not patriotic.  Anyone who doesn't vote at all is not entitled to complain.

this used to be true about 40 years ago, but when the choices are only from group A or group B we will continue being set up just like bowling pins, set us up, knock us down!!

[Dave]

which is xactly why I have had an ira for years and oh some cash lying around.

no joke, we could come to a point in this country where cash is king.....and the only way we will be able to survive is with goods and services locally. look at whats going on in Washington with the debt ceiling, possible gov shutdowns, gridlock, the moneys done gone, the Gov is no longer in the position to help this situation, at this point all they can do is side track us with BS.  i have a feeling this 9% unemployment is the new norm. Chinas eatin our lunch! ahh at least as hunters we should be able to feed ourselves....

The only time I feel self sufficient is when I am up state on my 20 acres. I have a big meadow that I could plant food if I had to, have all the fire wood I will ever need to heat my house and I can hunt if I need food. And when I am there I don't think about the budget or politics it would only ruin my special place so I deal with it when I go back to Long Island.

Dave

[steve863]

no joke, we could come to a point in this country where cash is king.....

Well, the problem with this country is that it's too much of a credit society.  Government, corporations, people, will buy things on credit and sooner or later they don't have the money to pay for it.  They think they will be able to pay for it all, but then discover they can't.  If everyone only used cash, I would bet that the vast majority would not put themselves in the holes that they do.  I don't know for sure, but I would bet that China is way more of a cash society than we are, thus they are prospering.  Show me the cash, and you will get the goods is probably the way they do business over there, unlike I will give you the goods and you can pay me in 4 months to a year like we do here.

 

[Carpenter]

no joke, we could come to a point in this country where cash is king.....

Well, the problem with this country is that it's too much of a credit society.  Government, corporations, people, will buy things on credit and sooner or later they don't have the money to pay for it.  They think they will be able to pay for it all, but then discover they can't.  If everyone only used cash, I would bet that the vast majority would not put themselves in the holes that they do.  I don't know for sure, but I would bet that China is way more of a cash society than we are, thus they are prospering.  Show me the cash, and you will get the goods is probably the way they do business over there, unlike I will give you the goods and you can pay me in 4 months to a year like we do here.

I started paying cash for everything about two years ago and haven't looked back.  No credit card debt and no car payments.  Sometimes I have to wait a little longer to buy something I want, but when I do finally buy the item I generally get a good deal when the person on the other end sees cash instead of a card.  I did that with a $1,500 bedroom set and when they saw cash they gave me $150 off the top and free delivery.  It's their company policy to give deals to cash customers.

Too bad most people want instant gratification.

[burmjohn]

Its nice being dept free, maybe in 15 years once the mortgage is paid off I can experience that   Other then that I use CC's just for the free $, pay it off every month.  I have one card that gives me a flat 2% towards my IRA at Fidelity, thats a win win with zero fee's.

[WNYBuckHunter]

no joke, we could come to a point in this country where cash is king.....

Well, the problem with this country is that it's too much of a credit society.  Government, corporations, people, will buy things on credit and sooner or later they don't have the money to pay for it.  They think they will be able to pay for it all, but then discover they can't.  If everyone only used cash, I would bet that the vast majority would not put themselves in the holes that they do.  I don't know for sure, but I would bet that China is way more of a cash society than we are, thus they are prospering.  Show me the cash, and you will get the goods is probably the way they do business over there, unlike I will give you the goods and you can pay me in 4 months to a year like we do here.

I started paying cash for everything about two years ago and haven't looked back.  No credit card debt and no car payments.  Sometimes I have to wait a little longer to buy something I want, but when I do finally buy the item I generally get a good deal when the person on the other end sees cash instead of a card.  I did that with a $1,500 bedroom set and when they saw cash they gave me $150 off the top and free delivery.  It's their company policy to give deals to cash customers.

Too bad most people want instant gratification.

I cut my last credit card up 4 years ago and havent looked back. Paid my car off last year and will be 100% debt free within the next year (unless we buy a house). Feels good to actually own everything I have.