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[WNYBuckHunter]

speaking of reports...when I reported myarchery buck and doe the "recording" told me exactly how many and what tags were left...then after that the recording was the usual......your reports registered do you want to report more...did any of you get this?

Yes.

[First-light]

So 4 guys take 13 doe in that area. If it were near my property I would bitch about it. That is a huge hit to the population in one select area.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Burt, what would you really have to say about it if it were legal and not on your property? No different that a farmer with a fist full of nuisance tags. It could effect your hunting or mine if it took place next to me but if someone came to me and tried to tell me how to hunt the property I had permission to hunt or property I own.....I can't really post what my response would be.

[First-light]

Most likely you probably would never know because they probably were not shot same day/weekend. If it were totally legal nothing I could do about expect just voice my opinion to them, they could tell me to take a hike thats all. I understand where your coming from,

I had some guys pushing AR's upon me and I'm not sold on the idea, I did listen though.

[NFA-ADK]

OMG how many deer can one person eat in a year? Funny how some complain and want a restriction on the amount of deer you can take per year. And yet here on this post it almost sounds like a few guys are shooting a bunch... Ahhhhhh yea I will give you 10 dollars not bucks to stay out of the ADK... And then they wonder why the hunting camps in the area they hunt complain there are not as many deer in the area... "Yep me and my buddies shot over 25 deer last year I wonder why we only saw one deer this season?" Give me a brake... Sounds like the brown down crew to me or the guys that have to say "yea I shoot over a hundred deer in my life". Sorry but this type of hunting pisses me off. DMP should be banned in my oppinion, if the farmer or area need deer killed they should invite hunters who will appreciate and eat all the food that is killed. And you people wonder why we see a ditch filled with 30 or more deer in it, you think the farmer or hunter is going to pay for all that butchering??? Again sorry for the tone but this has been going on for way to long, yet this is the way the DEC manages the deer herd? Sorry but you will get no help from me getting more tags sounds like you have done enough damage.

Edited January 12, 2012 by NFA-ADK

[Doewhacker]

"Sounds like the brown down crew to me or the guys that have to say "yea I shoot over a hundred deer in my life".

OR maybe they hunt where there are more deer and maybe they are good at hunting..who knows. My pops has killed over a hundred deer just with a gun, and he certainly aint a brown its down guy, he was how ever one hell of a hunter in his prime. And if a guy has the tags to shoot a pile of deer and they don't go waste waste, thats HIS choice.

I think maybe you should watch your step getting off your high horse, not every where is a barren deer wasteland like the Adirondacks.

[phade]

I shot 5 deer this year...4 last year....7 the year before that (all legal). Of them, 10 of them came from the same 10 acre parcel. Apparently my gluttonous self is a problem? Nope. I just live in one of the highest dpsm areas of the state. Not a thing wrong with controlling the herd, and I'm not a full-fledged brown its down member. All the meat goes to good use.

Edited January 12, 2012 by phade

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Hit it right on the head, Phade and Doe. The ones that try to paint the entire state based on thier own area really perplex me. I have hunted with 8 guys before down around Syracuse. We had nuisance and regular doe tags. 3 years running we took over 10 deer in one day of hunting each year. One Friday after Thanksgiving we took 13. We took what we could use and donated the rest. You know what, the following years the place was crawling with deer again. You just couldn't knock the population down.

I understand isolated areas may get over hunted at some point because of access but I really think the deer population is like a bucket of water. take a cup out of the middle and the surrounding water will move in to fill the void. If the habitat and food is there in these big population areas and there are many areas you can't access to hunt it is difficult to control the population as a whole without over hunting the areas you can access. JMO

[Doewhacker]

I saw a hunting show from out in some where like Minnesota or somewhere like that and they had a doe weekend where they all got together and did drives. At the end of the weekend they had killed some thing like 95 doe, and there were still plenty left to run around. They did this every year or two because it was necesarry to keep the population in check. Most of the deer were donated to the feed the hungry program that was in place there.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Wouldn't want to hunt a whole season like we did but it was sure a blast. Had to eat your wheaties though, it was non stop humping all day long. We actually didn't hunt most of the afternoon to get them out of the woods during daylight.

[NFA-ADK]

Just because a area is capable of holding many deer does not justify one guy shooting more than 10 deer I don't care who or where you are... What the hell is he going to do with them all? DO you really think I will believe that one person is going to eat all that meat? If you have a family of over 10 kids mabe??? I doubt any of these hunters can say they will eat more than 6 deer. And just so you know I hunt in Roscoe and in Prattsville beside the ADK and thier are many deer in the area but I bet if I shot 50 myself every year they would decline... And I don't care if you shoot over a hundred deer a year, that does not mean anything to me and does not prove you are a good hunter. And I do not care if you get 2000 tags that does not justify killing a excessive amound of deer for personal pleasure or notariety because it is not for food at that point... Again I think more people here care about how many deer they are capable of shooting rather than the deer heard's well being. But you are not im my area so yea go ahead and whack 50 deer a year on those farms and fill all those DMP and ditches on the side of the road with them, I wonder where all those deer came from??? DO you stop hunting when you fill your freezer or fill our your tags. Why shoot more that you will use? OK if you donate to the venison donation fine, otherwise I bet a lot of meat goes to wast and that is my biggest complaint...

[Culvercreek hunt club]

"And I do not care if you get 2000 tags that does not justify killing a excessive amound of deer for personal pleasure or notariety because it is not for food at that point..."

Isn't that up to the DEC to determine? If they didn't want the deer taken they wouldn't issue the tags.

And just for my own information...where are all these ditches you see with wasted deer in them?

[NFA-ADK]

I shot 5 deer this year...4 last year....7 the year before that (all legal). Of them, 10 of them came from the same 10 acre parcel. Apparently my gluttonous self is a problem? Nope. I just live in one of the highest dpsm areas of the state. Not a thing wrong with controlling the herd, and I'm not a full-fledged brown its down member. All the meat goes to good use.

And you take what you can eat, that is all I think we should take. If you can eat 10 by all means go get them. I have no problem with shooting many deer if you use them. BUT, Not " I have 15 exta tags I NEED TO FILL OUT because I have them?" Granted some area's it is justified but for one person to shoot more than they will use just does not make sense to me. And just because I hunt an area will low population does not mean it is the only place I hunt. Funny how you all see me as the guy who only hunts the ADK and never sees any deer from another area. Catskill, Prattsville, Roscoe, Long Eddy, Port Jervis, Greene, Cooperstown and Brewster are some of the places Not in the ADK that I hunt... So please stop thinking that I am only having a ADK perspective on hunting, I have hunted all over NY and seen many deer,

[NFA-ADK]

http://outdoornews.com/arkansas/article_a22882a2-0ba9-11e1-990a-001cc4c002e0.html

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/11/05/dead-deer-mysteriously-dumped-along-n-j-road/

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/10/12_deer_carcasses_dumped_at_co.html

Deer dumping never happens right? If you want more do you own searches... pleanty out thier and these are only the one's that are found, what about the one's you do not hear about in the back of these farms... But you are right let the DEC give the farms a 50 deer permit who cares, apparently not the hunters... And yes dmp are needed I am not saying they are not but I question the DEC motives for some of these permits. At least the insurance companies like it...

[Culvercreek hunt club]

I didn't say it never happened. I have never seen a dump other than the ones used by the highway department. I think you are exaggerating an example to make a point. I don't for one minute believe the deer that are wasted as you describe would have eny effect on the overall population. I would argue the number taken and not used and dumped are less than the deer wounded and lost or the ones poached

Edited January 12, 2012 by Culvercreek hunt club

[First-light]

I still think if you have 4 guys coming in and filling 13 doe tags in a particular area it will hurt the population and in the long run screw up your hunting. Now can 4 guys with families consume 13 deer sure. I wouldn't want it happening by my property.

[Doewhacker]

I still think if you have 4 guys coming in and filling 13 doe tags in a particular area it will hurt the population and in the long run screw up your hunting. Now can 4 guys with families consume 13 deer sure. I wouldn't want it happening by my property.

Burt what if its 13 guys killing 13 deer? I know you are saying its bad if its done on one chunk of land but who's to say it is?

[Culvercreek hunt club]

I wouldn't want it happening by my property.

I 150% agree with that, Burt. Because it is your property. Kind of hard to tell a neighbor what he can do or not do if it is within the law. There are areas though where you wouldn't even know it happened. If I had property next to Mendon Ponds park you couldn't shhot enough deer to make a difference. I think the impact is less in a suburban environment than in big woods they have so much food and refuge

[Doewhacker]

And you take what you can eat, that is all I think we should take. If you can eat 10 by all means go get them. I have no problem with shooting many deer if you use them. BUT, Not " I have 15 exta tags I NEED TO FILL OUT because I have them?" Granted some area's it is justified but for one person to shoot more than they will use just does not make sense to me. And just because I hunt an area will low population does not mean it is the only place I hunt. Funny how you all see me as the guy who only hunts the ADK and never sees any deer from another area. Catskill, Prattsville, Roscoe, Long Eddy, Port Jervis, Greene, Cooperstown and Brewster are some of the places Not in the ADK that I hunt... So please stop thinking that I am only having a ADK perspective on hunting, I have hunted all over NY and seen many deer,

Are talking about a land of make beleive or something? Is this the same guy that shoots the 10 deer a year in fantasy land NY?

I do some what agree with your point about shooting more deer than can be used. If I were to ever have a great year and some how come home with the mythical ten deer in NY I would take the next year off from deer hunting and bird hunt.

[nyantler]

Burt what if its 13 guys killing 13 deer? I know you are saying its bad if its done on one chunk of land but who's to say it is?

Thats a good point... but the better question would be why are 4 guys finding it necessary to kill 13 deer.. do they need the deer meat or are they just wanting to kill more deer just to kill more deer? If they really need that many deer because their families will starve without them (which I find hard to believe).. then I suppose it would make sense. But to just grab all the tags you can just to hunt longer and kill more deer that you don't need for the sake of killing... I have a problem with that. I know it's all legal and such... but that kind of hunter greed doesn't sit well with me. 13 guys, 13 deer nothing wrong with that... and maybe if the 4 guys were filling tags to donate to a food kitchen... I might feel a little better about it.

[Doc]

I still think if you have 4 guys coming in and filling 13 doe tags in a particular area it will hurt the population and in the long run screw up your hunting. Now can 4 guys with families consume 13 deer sure. I wouldn't want it happening by my property.

It all depends ....... if those 4 guys were spread across an area like Hi-Tor game management area, those 13 harvested deer wouldn't even be noticed. Do that on a property that is 20 acres or so, and it would be a tragedy for future years.

[Doewhacker]

13 killed by 4 is only about 3 deer a piece, not an absurd amount for one guy in one year if you ask me. My own family here, we can and have eaten 3 deer by June.

"But to just grab all the tags you can just to hunt longer and kill more deer that you don't need for the sake of killing... I have a problem with that. I know it's all legal and such... but that kind of hunter greed doesn't sit well with me. "

I agree with this Antler.

[Doc]

Thats a good point... but the better question would be why are 4 guys finding it necessary to kill 13 deer.. do they need the deer meat or are they just wanting to kill more deer just to kill more deer? If they really need that many deer because their families will starve without them (which I find hard to believe).. then I suppose it would make sense. But to just grab all the tags you can just to hunt longer and kill more deer that you don't need for the sake of killing... I have a problem with that. I know it's all legal and such... but that kind of hunter greed doesn't sit well with me. 13 guys, 13 deer nothing wrong with that... and maybe if the 4 guys were filling tags to donate to a food kitchen... I might feel a little better about it.

To me, there is a point where it all becomes an ugly killing frenzy. I guess each case has to be evaluated on its own merits. I do know people that are quite poor who do supplement their diet with venison. For these people it is not a sporting activity anymore and simply is a way of adding valuable protein to their family's diet that frees up some grocery money for use on other necessities that the rest of us take for granted. So, they are looking for all the tags they can legally get, and the whole activity takes on a lot different meaning than for most of us. However, that is not the case with other people that try to grab onto and fill every tag they can get and simply go on a killing spree. I can only consider these people "game-hogs".

[SteveB]

Whether 4 or 13 did the shooting, the final number is still 13.

And I bet not one of the 13 deer cared a bit who killed them.

If done legally, I am not going to judge them or critique the motivation - especially without knowing a lot more info then we have available on this thread.

[First-light]

Whether 4 or 13 did the shooting, the final number is still 13.

And I bet not one of the 13 deer cared a bit who killed them.

If done legally, I am not going to judge them or critique the motivation - especially without knowing a lot more info then we have available on this thread.

This is true. I was basing my assumption that the 13 deer killed were killed in a relatively small area. (100-200 acres) The post doesn't give enough info to base a "death sentence" for these guys. lol

Edited January 13, 2012 by Burt