Antler Restrictions - What are your thoughts?

[Larry]

What the DEC is using is a statistical sampling plan if the mythology is correct then there counts would be highly accurate. Here is another option for those who think the DEC’s numbers are way off

Maybe what needs to happen is to have mandatory reporting on all tags for a year or two. I hate this myself but we can’t have it both ways. If we are not going to report are kills and we also don’t except the DEC’s calculated harvest data. Then mandatory reporting is the only option left, at the very lease it will tell us how good the DEC’s data is. If you don’t report on all your tag used, unused the next time you by a license you don’t receive the tags you didn’t report on. Also you pay first this would put an end to not reporting on tags fast.

[moose]

I totally understand what 16 gauge is saying.  But if you look at what he is saying the only thing we have left is deer hunting.  So way not try to make changes because, i don't no about you but the last couple of years i have seen a different in deer the  herd. ( less deer numbers) I hunt around a couple of the finger lakes. 

[nyantler]

more does and button bucks you  would be taken wouldnt you assume?  Which again i smore young bucks taken.  More does may be taken in areas where you get a lot of dmp's.  In my area you may get one every three years.  So are the guys who do not get one supposed to buy a license to pass up all the young bucks they see?

That would kind of be the idea yes...and after a couple years they would be seeing enough legal bucks where it wouldn't be a problem... like I said before though it couldn't just be a blanket AR across the state. Most QDM programs have tips on how to reduce the chances of killing buttons... which involve some learning on the part of hunters...

[nyantler]

Hes probably runnin with a guide up there in them mountains bubba..it makes him the bestest ..hes probably republican too...

Rocket you really need to stop assuming.. just makes you seem that much more ignorant...I'm not claiming to be the best anything.. just offering up my opinion and answering questions directed to me..I think thats why they call it  forum...

[Pat Rockets]

Oh yes sir....yer tellin me

[nyantler]

I might be telling you alright.. but I'm damn sure you aren't getting it..

[bubba]

more does and button bucks you  would be taken wouldnt you assume?  Which again i smore young bucks taken.  More does may be taken in areas where you get a lot of dmp's.  In my area you may get one every three years.  So are the guys who do not get one supposed to buy a license to pass up all the young bucks they see?

That would kind of be the idea yes...and after a couple years they would be seeing enough legal bucks where it wouldn't be a problem... like I said before though it couldn't just be a blanket AR across the state. Most QDM programs have tips on how to reduce the chances of killing buttons... which involve some learning on the part of hunters...

I guess i still do not ge thow it is ok to shoot button bucks bit not spikes and crotch horns and preach antler restrictions.  I guess I am from the north

[16. ga hunter]

i' wasn't saying all we have left is deer.what i was getting at is this, there still are grouse in this state but if the state fails to thin some mature forest we will lose them. if you are hunting them you have to have your ducks in a row and know where to find them. all the complianing i hear about mature bucks is nothing compared to what i and other avid gamebird hunters endure in our quests. granted we get to watch smart beautiful dogs work thier magic afield while we log hours to flush a few birds but. if every deer hunter had to spend the same ammount of time to see one deer male or female i would see room for griping but that is not the case. plus it all comes full circle if forest thinging is not done deer will suffer also antler restrictions or not.i am not against ar but i do believe there to be more important things that new york sportsman should be investing all thier time into other than them. i remember my great uncle saying that when he was a kid if a deer track was seen in delaware county it was a huge ordeal. due to the fact that the land was abused ie. clear cut for the acid factories. if we are not careful the same thing could happen agian. it would be a long way off but nys could loose all native wildlife if we are ot careful think not look at the wild turkey yes they are on the rise again but soley due to efforts of sportman and nwtf. i belive we have all but lost pheasants for good in our fine state with new farming techniques and diminshing habitat there still are small sects of wild birds but i would not expect them to make it to far into the future even with intervention from pheasants forever. It is just not economically feasible to our agriculural industry. Ar may increase the age structure i just think to make a real difference in this state sportsman should look at the broad spectrum of wildlife instead of just the main big game spieces.

[wztirem]

I will say this, those who are proponents of AR fail to consider what the overall effect of such restrictions will have on the overall health of the deer herd, the health of the habitat (which supports other animals) and the safety of the general public.

Its not so simple to want AR and not consider what steps the DEC must undertake to implement such a program. What is the cost involved.

Where is the deer density data for each DMU, how many does need to be killed, what is the health of the habitat,,,,,,,,,,,,,, adinfonitum.

Show me a definitive plan based upon sound science to consider before implementing restrictions.

The DEC still claims that there is no biological need for the implementation of statewide AR. As I am no expert when it comes to deer biology, I defer to them and accept their policy.

[nyantler]

I will say this, those who are proponents of AR fail to consider what the overall effect of such restrictions will have on the overall health of the deer herd, the health of the habitat (which supports other animals) and the safety of the general public.

Its not so simple to want AR and not consider what steps the DEC must undertake to implement such a program. What is the cost involved.

Where is the deer density data for each DMU, how many does need to be killed, what is the health of the habitat,,,,,,,,,,,,,, adinfonitum.

Show me a definitive plan based upon sound science to consider before implementing restrictions.

The DEC still claims that there is no biological need for the implementation of statewide AR. As I am no expert when it comes to deer biology, I defer to them and accept their policy.

I am not be for AR unless it is part of a good management plan.. with all aspects of herd benefit put into play.. If it is used with a sound management goal and plan it has already been a proven concept many times over. Too many guys are still thinking of the plan as just a means to create big bucks. If thats all it accomplishes without taking in to account all the other aspects of a quality herd then I agree it can do as much harm as good... so when I speak about an AR plan I am thinking of deer management not just buck management

[G-Man]

The DEC still claims that there is no biological need for the implementation of statewide AR.  This is a true statement as a yearling bucks can and will breed doe, as will a small number of button buck, the state needs to manage numbers not size or quality,plus their management areas are huge, hate to say it but ar's will be up to the individuals in this state. Pa, had a overpopulation and had to get the does undercontrol,i believe the ar's were only able to be put in place state wide there do to biologists running the show,this is not the case here in ny as everything here is political and money motivated......

[nyantler]

 

I guess i still do not ge thow it is ok to shoot button bucks bit not spikes and crotch horns and preach antler restrictions.  I guess I am from the north

Most qdm plans have plans and tips to help protect buttons as well... it has to do with not shooting lone antlerless deer and waiting for more than one deer or groups when taking an antlerless whitetail.. it also involves picking the largest deer out of those groups to avoid killing buttons... in the north much of this might not apply.. especially in the adirondacks... there a management plan might be less centereed around AR and more around improving the quanity and quality of food, especially during the winter months. A good management plan just isn't a willy nilly one rule fits all but just what it says.. a plan. Based on need and feasibility in a given habitat area

[nyantler]

The DEC still claims that there is no biological need for the implementation of statewide AR.  This is a true statement as a yearling bucks can and will breed doe, as will a small number of button buck, the state needs to manage numbers not size or quality,plus their management areas are huge, hate to say it but ar's will be up to the individuals in this state. Pa, had a overpopulation and had to get the does undercontrol,i believe the ar's were only able to be put in place state wide there do to biologists running the show,this is not the case here in ny as everything here is political and money motivated......

agreed... AR wouldn't serve the same purpose all across the state...but isolated areas definitely could benefit from a good management plan consisting of a well thought out AR

[G-Man]

I should say that right now i would be against ar's but would be in favor of them if the DEC could come up with a comprehensive plan that would not only benifit the age structure of the deer herd but the habitat in general as well.

[Doc]

I should say that right now i would be against ar's but would be in favor of them if the DEC could come up with a comprehensive plan that would not only benifit the age structure of the deer herd but the habitat in general as well.

Right now the DEC is doing well just to keep their doors open. Don't be looking for them to be jumping into any new fad-management plans. And if they did get a couple of nickles and dimes thrown in their direction, I don't think that AR would be the most pressing thing for them to use the money on. I think that sits pretty low on the priority list.

[Pat Rockets]

Feeders would help put deer in one place to determine sizes

[G-Man]

Pat, you need to get age on deer before you could bait them in to determine size...right now 90% or more of what u would see will be 1 1/2 years

[Pat Rockets]

I could see feeders making more people happy than ar

[G-Man]

Didn't know the state wanted to make people happy...

[Pat Rockets]

It could make  the state more cash..

[WNYBuckHunter]

This is still going?  ;D

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Didn't know the state wanted to make people happy...

Good thing because they would be failing.....I just did my taxes this past weekend :'( :'( :'( > > >

[nyantler]

I'm with you Culver... and I don't think feeders would make anyone happy

[Pat Rockets]

Dont feeders and food plots have the same basic angle

[nyantler]

I suppose it depends on the type food plot... but my initial thought would be no