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I guess we should be thankful that we are able to have our peers available to serve jury duty . I would hate to go on trial and be judged by anyone who felt they were being inconvenienced and had the attitude of " let's hang the SOB and get this trial over with so we can go home " . I am not directing the above comment towards anyone on here . Just saying we should be thankful that we live in a country that has a jury system .

Just remember that the taxes are merely the symptom. It is the reckless spending and the belief that government can be all things to all people that is the actual disease. And by the way, it all comes back around in a full circle. The reckless spending is a direct result of demands for goods and services by the taxpayer and our very own votes. Where do you thing these free-spending legislators come from. So as Pogo says, "We have met the enemy and he is us."

Well my nephew and his cousin passed the hunter safety course this past sat and now i have two youths to guide for the youth hunt. recruiting a friend that hunts with me so its easier on myself neither parent turkey hunts ... . weather looks like it could be better but is still a week away and may change... Anyone else taking a youth out ??

this is a long drawn out thread on the NYfirearms forum, but there is breaking news about a major scandal involving Cuomo and the NYSPolice and the Safe Act..... gun owners gotta read this!! http://www.nyfirearms.com/forums/firearms-news/51725-big-news.html Edit by Burmjohn: Adding some more info, because I think EVERYONE needs to read this. http://newyorkcityguns.com/?s=bauerle http://www.ammoland.com/2013/04/new-york-gun-confiscation-underway/#axzz2QNlaUdy6 https://www.facebook.com/pages/Tresmond-Law/149433465214770 (Buffalo, New York) For the record, it is our position that the New York State Police targeted our client, Mr. Lewis, from the outset of their request that his pistol license be suspended. New York State Police officials provided Erie County Clerk Chris Jacobs with our client's name, address, pistol license number, number of handguns owned by Mr. Lewis, and other identifying information that made it clear they were looking for our client. Our client was contacted by the New York State Police. This is not a simple case of mistaken identity. Mr. Lewis's medical privacy was invaded and he was publicly defamed and humiliated by New York State officials. We will file suit shortly. As many are well aware, our client Mr. Lewis had his pistol license suspended by a New York State Supreme Court Justice at the request of a New York State Police Sergeant. The NYSP official requested the suspension pursuant to the mental health provision of the NY SAFE Act of 2013. Upon our investigation, we determined that Mr. Lewis’s medical records had been examined without a valid search warrant, in clear violation of federal and state privacy laws in addition to the New York State Criminal Procedure Law. On Thursday, April 11th, 2013, New York State Supreme Court Justice M. William Boller reinstated Mr. Lewis’s firearms license. New York State police officials claim they “had the wrong guy”. The evidence tells another story. Mr. Lewis was directly targeted by Sgt. Jackson of the New York State Police and further investigation reveals systemic fourth amendment violations within the New York State government. Confidential informants from within the New York State government have since come forth with information regarding the creation a clandestine “HIPAA” unit comprised of approximately seven members within the Division for Criminal Justice Services , charged with examining New York residents’ medical records without warrant

Actually, it was really quite funny.

do you know all this buying of guns and ammo has put an extra 4+ million dollars into the conservation funds over last year

I guess I'll be the last to know since I wouldn't watch or read any of those.

i use 180 grain hp out of my ruger the few does went about 40 yards they make 200 gr bullets in 357 mag also

from a hunter's point of view, it's probably a more accurate depiction of the average group of guys that hunt together than the shows made up of professional hunters that sit around after the hunt, eat expertly prepared meals and drink from their red cups while acting like choir boys watching video replays of the days hunt and footage from the trail cameras.......that's all after they drive back into their $500,000.00 garage with their badboy buggy after laying the smack down on a mack daddy buck.

the guy is a product sponsor. hasn't been back. me thinks some of you are new to the interwebs

eagle rider I had the same handgun and took 3 N.Y. whitetails with it ( a doe and two 4 pointers). I used 158 gr JSP and broadside shots. All stopped on the far side under the hide. Shots were about 15, 40 and 60 yards and the deer ran about 30 yards. I think a 180 gr hard cast by Double Tap Ammunition would work better. I used that load on a 130 lbs European boar. Warren

Cuomo is a dirtbag. Hope he hits rock bottom.

my comment was in no way intended as a dig towards you, but a comment towards a flawed system that forces people to be inconvenienced to do something they would rather not do.

I think you're on the right track, Eagle..

I shot three deer with them, one with the 117 grain in a 25-06 and a couple with the 120 grain in the .260 Rem. The deer all died and they seemed to perform as well as other standard cup/core bullets I have used.

tough coons! perhaps you should put the 22 away and take the 12ga! hope your pup gets well!

Larry, next time I'm in town just get those yappy mutts out in your neighbors yard. I'll swing by with my dog and she can make a snack out of them. Win-Win.....I won't have to bring food, and poof, no more dog sitting.

I think the show is pretty cool... That's their deer camp and it works for them, I don't see anything wrong with the show, I mean it just started. I can relate to that Saburban hunting... Hey you never know, the show might open some I unknowledgable antis into our world and maybe they will see the need for hunting. Who knows

Oh he went there! Do a little google search of Cannonsville,NY. The towns people were railroaded and forced to evacuate their land and homes when NYC offered miniscule amounts of money to buy them off their lands. When folks demanded more money, NYC bulldozed all the buildings and flooded this town and a few others to make a watershed and never paid them at all! I realize this is off topic, but since my grandparents grew up, lived and worked there, I feel the need to mention it. As a matter of fact, my kidneys filter a little bit of your water!. Drink up city slickers. Need a boost in water pressure? Hold on let me chug this glass of lemonade! lol

She's my little shepherd....since we've had her she's taken on 5 raccoon a wood chuck...and a family of skunk....

gallego... thank you for confirming my rant. i see your from the queens area, no where near any proposed drilling areas with no concept of the condition in this area, yet you post a link that has little to no information concerning gas drilling. the link has to do with industrial waste that some states tried to store underground. the drilling companies are have began to recycle and process waste water to to current clean water standards. now to give you some in-site to this area.....we are hurt, period. the unemployment rate is around the 10% mark which is average everywhere, but the jobs that become available are less then $10/hr. our industrial base was depleted from a decrease in defense contracts (from the fed level) and a very unfriendly business climate (from the state), and property taxes (local level) that keep companies from putting down roots. the past 25yr decline has just hammered the work force, causing many well educated, and highly skilled workers to leave, making it even less desirable for new companies to move in. in the rural settings the farms that use to prosper and take up most of the country side no longer exsist. in broome county alone in 1980 there were over 100 running family dairy farms, now there are around 10. so now these folks are paying inflated taxes on hundreds of acres that no longer able to produce revenue (thats why down staters are able to buy 50+ acre hunting camps). Now it discovered that there is a huge amount of energy to be produced at these sites, a way to inject some revenue into the economy, and help the area get back on its feet, and people who have no buisness interjecting there opinions into the discussion, keep us from exploring these options. now this isnt about greed, its about the little people trying to survive. we are not money hungry screw the enviroment people, we are farmers, hunters, and family people who are smart enough to ask questions to make sure its done properly, and preserve both the land in which we call home and our ability to live here. (wow thats 2 rants i need turkey season to start)

Special Thanks to the Rochester Community who helped support our Banquet last night. From the donors, to the guests you all made it a huge success. Thanks Mike

So now we have two threads going on the same topic. Doesn't anyone ever read the existing threads before they start a new one?

It's like I said earlier. This is not a hunting show. Those that tuned in expecting it to be have been terribly disappointed. It is a show about deer population control in an out-of-control deer herd. There's nothing pretty about it. The challenges are completely unrelated to the "how" of hunting and has more to do with social interface with each other and the neighborhood. It is what it is and cannot be molded around to fit our ideas of hunting. They have thrown some humor into the mix and called it a TV program. Whether it will work out or not remains to be seen. My feeling is that it may run out of material before long, but so far I've gotten a few chuckles out the situations and the interactions among the group. Plus, I have heard a lot about suburban deer hunting, and it is kind of interesting to see how these guys actually pull it off.

Personally, I am pro-fracking. For many reasons. I think that there are risks, much like nuclear power, however the gain outweighs bad. It took me a while to get to this decision. to answer your question, I don't think NYS would be able to do that, too many enviro guys would protest it. But on private land, which is where I have seen the proposals, I think they will have a heyday.

Our State Forest Preserve lands, are protected by the Constitution as "Forever Wild". As such, they remain free from gas exploration until a Constitutional Amendment changes things. Don't look for that to happen anytime soon. As to the recent (and not so recent) land purchases by the State in remote Adirondack regions...That boggles my mind. We New Yorkers are "land poor", and much of the land we own is so remote that most of the people cannot use it. There is a great need for outdoor recreation areas close to the people. The State, however, ignores that need. Instead, land purchases are made in areas that are essentially out of reach of many of us. Go figure!

I'm not sure how much state land is actually considered "forever wild" lands. I think most of it is considered multi-use areas. Exactly how that is defined isn't really all that clear to me. I do doubt that any kind of mining and mineral extraction is a forbidden activity, but I have to say that I have never seen that written anywhere. And since you also included fracking in your post, the jury is still out on that issue as far as I am concerned. I have heard good credible reports on both sides of the issue, and it has kind of been rendered down to a battle of one side's scientific claims against the other side's scientific claims, and it is an even match right now. I will say that anything that offers even a possibility of screwing up our drinking water is not something that I eagerly support. We take drinking water for granted here in the U.S. right? You simply turn the faucet and out it comes .... lol. There were some people over by Buffalo in a place called "Love Canal" that found out that it isn't always that guaranteed. Frankly, I don't think anyone is arguing about what is happening a mile below the surface, but are having a problem with the inevitable spills and other accidental releases of the poisonous soup that they use. There are enough credible episodes of that sort of thing to catch my attention. Perhaps the science of this process isn't quite ready for wide-spread roll-out. Injecting toxins into the ground doesn't sound like a very responsible way to do business. it's kind of a one-way thing. Screw up the ground water and that pretty much is that .... forever. I understand the economic arguments that are brought up, but also understand that those economic windfalls only apply to the handful of residents who happen to own land that is drillable. It's not accurate to portray this as an infusion of cash to a community, or even that much of an employment opportunity. This was the story peddled by the windfarm people, which actually turned out to be the corporations bringing in their own out-of-state crews to do all the work. Yes, a very few landowners added some money to their retirement accounts, and the entire area of residents were left with the huge whirly-gigs over-powering the landscape with absolutely no monetary benefits at all. So one thing I have learned is that corporations have turned P.R. into a very effective science, but the perceptions put out by them are very seldom anywhere near the truth. Let's just put it this way .... all the jillions of dollars spent on convincing the public that this is a wonderful thing, really hasn't worked it's magic on me yet. Don't get me wrong, I think there is enough money involved in it all so that it will come to pass (consequences be damned), but that doesn't make it a good idea. I'm sure it won't bother the corporations a whole lot if I don't fall in line with support.....lol.

Whew ... I saw the subject Title and thought you were gonna say "The Farm " .... LOL

these are the 2nd round of pics I got in the last month with cams set up along and in water. these pictures were captured with homebrew trail cameras. [/url]

Still doesn't explain how it makes hunters look like morons .... I met crazier bunches a good ol boys than that at deer camp .. One guy was pretty polite n thrifty when askin permission ... And there are people like the others everywhere that don't even hunt... And I keep asking myself .... "Why do u care so much "... Lighten up , not like its gonna effect anything ....

Plus ..... they weren't trying to sell salt licks , mineral blocks , and other feed supplements like Hank Dickers and the Big Hunting Shows . None of those guys were using Swackers !

even if it was NY, and I'm not saying it's right or wrong. But it's an f'n coyote.

You have a very long six month wait ahead of you!!...great pics